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Good stuff. I have purchased from all of them and have never received a bad tree.RubyXSupremeRDM can you you give us a synopsis of how each, if you don't mind. It is hard to get information from sellers. They always put the superlatives like "The sweetest guava!" "Award winner!" "Rated best by our Customers" "No pests and disease free"
... Ruby x Supreme > White Indonesian > Barbi pink > Philippine Swirl > Ka Hua Kula > Hong Kong pink > gushikin orange > guajava White pear > Bangkok Gian > frankies variegated > a few crunchy style Thai types > Malaysian Red
Go NC Go! I'm happy the Carolinas are well represented in the Zone pushing community.
Got my Barbie pink covered since we had our first low into the 40s last night. I had time so figured I wouldn’t wait until a light frost to protect it
How is Haruka compared to New Zealand Lemonade?I will check my pictures from my japan trip but I believe I had some but neglected to try the skin or pith. For the most part I remember all the citrus I tried there being superior to anything I have had in the US. All of them had flavors I would describe as distinct they way mandarins taste similar but different than oranges and lemons but all have a "citrus" taste.
Both my strawberry and lemon are very good eating but for me too small in size to be enjoyable. They're also very likely to get wormy. Yuk! They're coming out this year.I have a few trees.
I doubt one will take right now. Everything I have is put up in the greenhouse waiting for winter.
SplorKeLZ, caerulea grows outside for you? in my area its cold tolerance doesn't really get tested. so far the hybrid seems to be more of a cooler grower than phoenicea and it even kinda slows down in the summer. i was hoping that it would combine the grow temps of both its parents so it would grow year around here... aka "hercuthermal" (growing in a wide range of temps, a term i made up). as opposed to eurythermal (tolerating a wide range of temps).
for me dryness is a much bigger limiting factor than temps. so the optimal hybrid swarm would most likely involve passiflora arida and/or passiflora palmeri, both of which come from relatively drier habitats in baja california. no idea if either is compatible with phoenicea or caerulea.
from raindance seeds i just ordered the following seeds for my public food forest...
diospyros californica (baja chocolate persimmon/sapote)
passiflora palmeri
passiflora pentaschista (desert passionfruit)
prosopis pubescens (screwbean mesquite)
ziziphus parryi (desert jujube)
i'd like to try crossing these 2 passiflora species with my other ones. this passiflora phylogenetic tree is worth taking a look at but it's a little tricky for a couple reasons. the countries indicate where the material, not the species, are from. also, since so few species are included, the distance between them is probably misleading. for example, there's only one species between caerulea and edulis, which makes it seem like they are very closely related. but if we were to zoom out and see a phylogenetic tree of all the passiflora species then there would probably be quite a few species between caerulea and edulis. on the tree i linked to, passiflora palmeri is surrounded by foetida. in theory this should mean that they are basically the same species. foetida is right next to quadrangularis, which is right next to passiflora alata, which is closely related to phoenicia. again, this should be taken with a few grains of salt.
please post updates on your hybridization efforts! i'm very curious how your crosses turn out. it's unlikely that you'll get the best of both worlds at the 1st attempt so you'll probably have to try some backcrosses. if your hybrid swarm is big enough you're bound to get something good.
Epicatt2, thanks for the tip.
Seanny, thanks for the suggestion. I might give that a shot.I would say that there are mail orders that will give you a lot more bang for your buck. Everglades Farms is one. They have been improving with their boxing quality which was super hit and miss. The size varies but they usually sell real small to midsize 3 gal. A Natural Farm is also another shipper that has somewhat decent prices. Boxing quality is pretty good.That may be one of the bigger 1 gal's I have seen from Lara. Yeah $85 plus shipping. That's why I stopped buying his online stuff. That and I got some stuff that had bad grafts.
Definitely among the lusher 1g plants I have gotten mail order from them
There are some drawbacks to buying from Lara Farms. I have come to accept those in exchange for access to rare items that (almost) nobody else has. I admire the goal of preserving and spreading these lesser known cultivars into private collections. I also have no problem paying a little more for something that is rare and in demand - that's how business works. I think the main reason they sell 1 gallon trees is because they are cheaper to ship, and safer to box up than a heavy 3g or 7g. The business is really optimized for mail order and convenience.
After losing a few plants, I now understand that a 1 gallon grafted Lara tree needs at least 6 months, and more likely a full year, until I can put it in the ground. When you buy a 3 gallon or 7 gallon plant, you don't have to worry about that time because it's already in the past. You also have to baby the tree during this critical period which for many people is too big of a commitment. It's vulnerable to aphids, overwatering, sunlight damaging the trunk/graft, girdling from the thick grafting tape, graft failure, etc.
The truth is, anybody that secures permission can get access to TREC and harvest budwood. Other nurseries are grafting the source trees there. Or you can do the legwork and hit all the fruit tree nurseries on the circuit - I have been surprised at some of the rare stuff hiding in the rows. I found a 15 gallon Lorito Mamey Sapote with flowers and fruit on the branches today that was on clearance for $100. I would have spent about $80 to get a grafted 1g Lorito by mail order.
My barbie pink is very much paler, this is a very bright fruit! How’s the taste?Same here. The one I used to have never got that pink. Sell me some cuttings cousin Kevin.
Here it is. 1 gallon from Lara Farms of the Thomas Sapodilla. Hopefully it will size up enough to plant in the ground by springtime.That may be one of the bigger 1 gal's I have seen from Lara. Yeah $85 plus shipping. That's why I stopped buying his online stuff. That and I got some stuff that had bad grafts.
Zone 8...almost any thing. You only need to stay above 50 degrees F and almost any thing will survive. Not thrive but survive until spring. Citrus will work. White Sapote will work. Sapodilla will work. Mamey will work. Custard apple will work. Abiu will work. Babados cherry will work. You have to seal it well and you have to make sure you have enough compost stored inside.You might be right. My thought was definitely bases on my Carolina experience and the fact that 32 at night but 40 to 50 in the day. I can get well into the 70's in my hoop house on a 40 degree day. The temp inside may get into the 30's for a short amount of time but most of my plants have withstood it.
It would take an impossible amount of compost to heat a 20,000 sq ft glass single-pane greenhouse above 50°F in 8a Germany. I mean by all means start by putting in a large compost pile and add a temperature sensor, but Germany is more like Seattle than an east coast 8a in North America: cold and overcast for much of the winter. When it's overcast and the outside high is in the low 40s°F with freezing lows every night for months on end, there's no way compost will work to heat it that much.
Look at the average low and high in winter, it's not like the zone 8 in the Carolinas:
Thanks for the reviews. Any suggestions on a good paw paw retailer?TBH My suggestion is to buy from the well known dealer during the early part of the Spring Sales season (March through May) and as locally as possible. This may require a little bit of planning, so add yourself to different companies wait lists.
