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If someone thinks it's worth naming a tuba variety, it should come along with a brix test to really show it's superior!

I leave it up to the Brazilian botanists to decide when to merge species. Good example is cherry of rio grande / savannah cherry (involucrata / calycina). They really are *close enough* and from what I can tell their flowers are compatible, so probably most of the seeds out there are hybrids now. I know my seeds certainly are since the plants are touching each other.

Probably better to just name them or identify the differences as cultivars at this point. Dasyblasta is not a different species, it's still uniflora, for example.

All packed up and ready to go, excited to see these on your trees!

Sorry to anyone who didn't get some, gotta be quick on these freebies - there was a lot of interest fast!

Nick C

Please send $15 to friends/family PayPal and I'll drop these off at the post office tomorrow

Pioneering tests drymifolia! I saw someone overwintered a campo ramon jaboticaba  in Seattle as well, was that you as well?

Even my CAS guava which I suspected would be the least cold hardy is coming back pretty nicely. My winter temps are not that far off Seattle, but clearly those few more degrees (and duration thereof) are a differentiator.

I have pretty much zero stonefruit here at my place due to consistently cold and rainy winter. It seemed everyday the flowers opened we got doused... You can see the pollen running out of the flowers sometimes. Oh well, at least they grew well!

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Attracting pollinators
« on: June 08, 2023, 02:23:58 PM »
I get big bags of native wildflowers and Johnny Appleseed style my yard, throwing them anywhere there is space. Now, I don't have any grass to maintain or anything so there's that...

I let them get big, flower, and then cut them down to the roots to fix soil. They come roaring back annually now. TONS of bee and wild pollinator action now after only 2 years. They really get kind of unruly and shade out my smaller bushes like eugenia seedlings but it appears that they help the plant, not harm it. They are healthier than ever.

There are a ton of benefits for me who has empty soil. It seems they hold water in the soil better, they are a source of organic material to fix the soil, and they take the brunt of the insect pressure. Sometimes an entire golden rod becomes an aphid factory... But they never go to my fruit trees. It has taught me to lean into IPM and allow for sacrificial plants that take the hit and get so out of control that predators arrive en masse. I have never had so many ladybugs, assassins, praying mantises etc!

Lotta interest. I have asked the people who PM'd me if they can accept the big hog branch in the back which is larger than 1/4", it's not 3/8" but it's getting there. Whoever PM'd first will get dibs on that.

I will go down the list and split them up best I can. They're all very much workable size.


I was treated to some FAT paulista scions and had no choice but to graft my Sabara again. Paying it forward with another round of free fruiting Sabara scions, just paying shipping.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Yangmei (Morella/Myrica rubra) thread
« on: June 07, 2023, 07:59:41 PM »
I’m telling you, these things are tough. I took some of my worst seedlings out of 3” pots and put them in the soil in my work garden. Though clearly showing signs of transplant stress, they’re growing some new leaves inside that look ok.

How big / tall is your greenhouse? White sapote can get really, really big. I don't think it's a good candidate for being in ground in a small greenhouse. This said, I used to not be a fan but having now had some selected varieties, white sapote is slept on and a very good fruit. If you can get wooly sapote (yellow), you can dwarf the tree.

Loquat also gets really big, and though I do love it, I wouldn't devote greenhouse space to it.

Personally I would take out the guava, it's kind of a bigger tree and the fruit is just ok in my opinion.

You could have 5-6 eugenias that take up the space of any of those 3 and that would be way higher up the list for me.


Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Re: ISO: Jaboticaba fruit
« on: June 07, 2023, 01:59:00 PM »
Anyone currently selling any jaboticaba? Not looking for the seeds, or cuttings, but the fruit itself.


My sabara is bout to flower up here in Santa Barbara. I'd say around late August should be ready, you can come by and try some if no one else services you here. It's hard to ship jabos and they tend to ferment enroute.

I was thinking today after contemplating whether to dig up my pink guava or not...can I graft longipetiolatum and eugeniafolia onto regular guava?
Has anyone tried this?

My eugeniafolia has fruits, hopefully will update this thread when they are ripe!

I'd give it a shot. I put psidium guineense on guajava and it's taking off fine. Tried also to put striatulum on, but that didn't work. The whole branch on the guajava died back so I don't think it was a compatibility issue, probably just winter blues.

Got try sartre on the weekend and quite liked it, really bright zippy flavor with some underlying kinda coconut? I'll be planting this one out for sure.


Just to add a little bit more to just how gnarly the winter was up here... Pineapple guava covered in snow and my sabara absolutely coated.

I think the consensus is we should do that again, but even bigger!

It would appear to me that my yard will be peaking fruit wise around late August (weekend of 26th?) so I'm going to try to make that happen if everyone is cool with it.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: ID: very rare Myrciaria or Eugenia
« on: June 04, 2023, 10:46:38 AM »
My guess is beach cambuca, strigipes


We had an awesome afternoon of fruit, friends, pizza, smoked meat, passionfruit cheesecake, wine, and conversation. My sincere thank you to everyone who came all the way up or down and hope we make these sorts of gatherings happen more often.

A stand out of the afternoon was a selection of Kaz’s loquat collection which included the venerable Peluche loquat which really was a treat!


Oven is pre heating for tomorrow.

Warning: I do have bees on the property, but they’re nice. Just to be aware.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Tropical Bananas are Cold Tolerant?!
« on: June 02, 2023, 03:55:25 PM »
Bananas are stout growers, but the plant itself is cold sensitive. You can definitely grow them (along with many other sub or tropical things) as a from the roots annual - but you're not going to fruit them.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Happy donut day
« on: June 02, 2023, 03:10:22 PM »
Though a donut fan, I'd take a FL mango over one any day.

Mango Stein: your footer is so great, I have many Brazilian friends who know of talisia as pitomba and have no idea what I'm talking about when I say pitomba, speaking of no relevance. Thanks for letting me know it's Curuiri!

I will admit that I also love a good battery tool.

Me too. My electric leaf blower I use for little jobs is adequate for 95% of the jobs, but yeah, I cannot move 1' of wet oak leaves with the e-blow. I use the 5hp Stihl Magnum. Did I need the Magnum? Nah, but it's bad-ass and gets the job done REAL quick. There's value in the right tool for the job.

The absolute most important thing to realize is that while each individual person's emission contributions would ideally be reduced, it really doesn't matter what we do with corporations producing 70% of emissions. If there is more demand for air flights, you can be sure that more Airbuses and Boeings will be in the air to service them and that will KO any one person's veganism, e-car, or so on handily.

Where I draw the line is where someone doesn't want to do something to reduce their consumption if possible - cause at that point you're just wasting your money and increasing contributions for what, a flex? Today's diesel trucks are absolutely mental, even with def, EGR, and DPF emissions systems attached all over them they are 500hp,1000tq and get very reasonable MPG for their size. Trading in your '93 straight pipe coal rolling Cummins that leaks oil from every orifice is definitely worthwhile for the environment if you can afford it, production of vehicle emissions aside.

It is easy enough to lay a NOX and CO2 chart on top of global temperature charts and draw a direct conclusion between them, but ignore that and look at the absolutely irrefutable link between breathing fumes and instances of cancer. I'd much rather not have to breathe exhaust fumes driving around, working in the yard, or cooking food in my house - seems kinda reasonable?

Regardless of what or who "caused" climate change, I've been seeing its effects play out in real time over the decade I've lived where I do in California, and at home in BC, Canada. My place in CA is in a very unusual location right where two climate zones meet (inland valley meeting coastal shore at 2200'). For the first few years (2014-2018) it was pretty nice overall, relatively comfortable temperatures, didn't need the AC much but a brutal drought where our well level plummeted. Then, things started to get kind of wonky and the frequency of these events seems to be accelerating and worsening.

My landlord who moved up there in 1958 (RIP 2019) said that the climate had completely changed from when she moved in. It used to rain once a week, even in summer she recalled - we'd go almost the whole year without rain for some of the years I was there. It used to never crack 100f - it was cracking 100f for a week at a time. The well was always plentifully refilled annually - those brutal drought years didn't recharge it. The plants she had installed before died of heat, or died of deep cold. It never hailed - then it started to be an annual multiple time experience. Then, the heat turned up and we had 117f one year, 118f the next for 3 different days. Even the native oaks and native plants burnt to a crisp. Then the INSANE rains arrived this year and we had 300%+ of annual rainfall, including one 24 hour with 18.3". It was like the sound of chicken frying in a pot of oil pouring out of the gutters. These extremes are exactly what climate change scientists forecasted. It's not that everyday is always hotter (although there is some truth to that), it's that the highs are higher and the lows are lower, and you'll get 100 year storms every 10 years if things change. I admit, it's kind of spooky to think of what it'll be like in 50 or 100 years if this trend continues.

I'm a lifelong petrolhead and drive sports cars, motorcycles, and drive a diesel truck to tow all the gear... But I'd still buy an electric car when it comes time to get a new one. At a recent autocross event, the damn Tesla smoked everyone by 3 seconds on a 1 min course - even the $250k Porsche. :( They're just flat out more efficient, and once charging infrastructure improves and so does charging speeds - heck yeah man, let me take 15-20 minutes to stretch my legs, drink and eat every 300 miles. I do that anyways when I'm haulin'. Solar panels? Sheeesh! Sign me up! I get to blast my AC on all those blitzing hot sunny days for free?! I don't need to breathe exhaust fumes from my massive leaf blower cause the battery tech has enough minutes for my yard full of oak leaves? Again, sign me up.

I dunno man, what if all we got was cleaner air, more efficient vehicles and engines, and it didn't change the future prospect of climate change? Doesn't seem that bad to me. I don't think it's an agenda by big government - I think it's capitalism at work. Building better cooler stuff that makes consumers want to buy it.

The well is full, the plants are kicking ass after 84" of rain, I had some zone pushing losses with the once in 30 year snows and frosts... But it's cool. I'm still growing. Sorry about all your flooding FL folks, bet you'll be begging for rain in a few years when you see the other side of the extremes.



Looking like we will have decent weather for Saturday which is a major relief, it has been cold lately! It says 68f on the coast, but I am at 2200' and generally above the marine layer, so it might be 80f. Remember the sun? I miss it too! Be ready to drive up a mountain pass, I am at the peak. If you start descending and see Cachuma reservoir, you have gone too far! That said, what a sight, it is 100% full which it has never been in the 10 years I've lived in SB.

I have plenty of room on the street, but please make sure you park well below driveway above mine cause that neighbor is a real prick. Park below the blue suburban and nuzzle up to the next car. There is also my Infiniti sedan which you can use as a landmark. If it gets really busy somehow, I will point out where parking is cool.

Kaz has offered to send us a loquat tasting selection which is awesome of him. I'll try to grab some from what I consider the best loquat in town, but I am not sure if they'll be overripe by now. This cool weather is frustrating because it's slowing down ripening of a lot of stuff. My white mulberry is absolutely loaded with fruit but it's not quite as good as it can be. The pakistani has mottled green and purple half ripe due to this as well.

Still think we'll get a good feed. Don't forget to bring dough and toppings! Got tons of sauce though.

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