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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Shelf life of Tropical fruit scion wood
« on: October 03, 2020, 03:42:56 PM »
Two weeks to too long. With Mango scions, my best success has been grafting within 30-60 minutes of cutting (highest take rate). I estimate for each day subtropical scions are not grafted you loose 4-5% viability.

Good Luck


Tropical Vegetables and Other Edibles / Re: Macadamia nut tree
« on: October 02, 2020, 03:59:21 PM »
Atkins Nursery in Fallbrook.

I would recommend the Grafted Alba mac tree. The Alba is more productive than my Beaumont has produces larger nuts.


Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Growing Mango trees in Southern California
« on: September 26, 2020, 09:55:38 PM »
Really cool Simon. Good to see photos of your seedling mango trees planted more inland with more heat hours. You and I are more in the coastal zone so our growth will be somewhat less overall. I have many of the same varieties you plant but I grafted mine to Ataulfo or Mexican manila seedling. So far they are doing well with excellent 2020 growth so far. Will post some photos of my trees in October after they finish their current growth flushes.

Enclosed are some photos for a mango seedling tree in Alhambra (just south of Pasadena) that is quite large. It is the largest seedling tree I have seen hear in California but I don't know what type it is.

Thanks for your input and advice over the years. It got me started in mango grafting and propagation in 2016.


Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Guava Mango scion FINALLY takes!!
« on: September 24, 2020, 02:09:42 PM »
I grafted two Guava Mango scions in July to existing manila mango seedling trees and both grafts took well and put out there first flush. Looking forward to trying the fruit in about 3-4 years.


Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Re: Two Mango Trees For Sale - SoCal
« on: September 09, 2020, 02:22:02 PM »
The Cac Mango Tree is Sold.

I just placed the Son Pari in a larger (7) gallon pot as it is starting a new flush.


Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Oscar Mulberry Trees for Sale - SoCal
« on: September 03, 2020, 06:57:47 PM »
I have two Oscar Mulberry trees in 5-gallon pots for Sale at $45 each. They are very well rooted and ready to go into the ground. The original mother tree is located in Exotica Nursery in Vista Ca.

This is a newer hybrid variety that is utterly delicious. 

Local Pick-up only.


Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Two Mango Trees For Sale - SoCal
« on: September 03, 2020, 06:48:16 PM »
I originally bought these two mango trees from Florida as small (3) gallon trees. They have grown nicely since purchase. I used them for scion wood for grafting hence the sale. They are both excellent varieties.

1.  Son Pari in (5) gallon squat container. $110  (This was a stick when I bought it)

2.  Cac in (7) gallon container. $140

Only have one of each. There are ready to go into a larger container or in the ground. Local pickup only.

See the Photos for more details.



I keep by Start Mangos and Avocado trees for winter. I had my mango trees flushing in January-February earlier in the year. I can more than double the growth rate of my subtropicals with a greenhouse.

My small 6 X 8' greenhouse. It has two windows on the top. Total cost $425 including lumber.

I ordered Super Nova scions this last winter from CCPP and successfully grafted it to (2) Rich 16-6 semi-dwarf rootstocks. They are growing well now in five gallon pots.

Looking forward to trying it in 3-5 years. 

Every mandarine I have ever grown has a tendency to alternate bear, some more than others and this variety is no different.


Kesar is a slow-growing mango tree even in Inda where it is native.

This is a poor choice for SoCal with our marginal climate. Even removing all of the fruit growth will still be poor.

Best to start over and select vigorous varieties with a higher probability of success. Jakarta, Sunrise, and 0-15 are all much better choices for our area with the Indian Flavor profile.   

As to your small Kesar tree, I would just enjoy the fruit you get every year and plant some Mango seedlings (Manila, Kent exct) now and let them grow so you can graft some more desirable cultivars in a few years.


Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Side veneer vs side cleft
« on: June 10, 2020, 10:26:51 PM »
I have tried every type of graft (cleft, veneer, bark, combo) at my location and in the end, just do cleft grafts the vast majority of times.

Mango grafts are much harder to do than Apple Grafts by the way, much lower takes.

Good Luck


Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Buttercream being a good rootstock
« on: June 05, 2020, 09:11:02 PM »
I have a buttercream on turpentine that I purchased in late summer 2019. Based on my observations it is a fast-growing tree. Similar to Cac, Coconut Cream, and Seacrest.

I grafted onto several manila seeding trees and looking forward to fruit in years to come. Seems well suited to California weather conditions. Likely to be successful in this semi-arid environment in So calif.


I concur with Simon regarding the problems with turpentine rootstock in our area.  I have tried growing both trees on grafted Manila/Ataulfo and Turpentine with the same variety. JF (Frank) experience and opinion is a minority point of view on this forum but if it works for him that's great.  Over the years I have found three key factors in Succesful mango growing in SoCal. 

1.  Choosing a vigorous growing variety. Cac, Coco cream, Sweet Tart, Buttercream, Seacrest, Orange Sherbet, Lemon Zest, Fruit Punch ext. Avoid slow-growing mangos like Ice Cream, Kesar, Julie, Dot, Pina Colada exct (do your homework).

2.  Choosing the best rootstock for our area. For me, the Mexican varieties work best. I particularly like Ataulfo grown from seed but Manila also works well. Kent is also OK but I still prefer Ataulfo as it is the fastest-growing for me. 

3.  Planting in the right soil to maximize mango growth.  Sandy Loam soil with 15% pumice works the best based on my experience. Clay soil works the least well. If you have clay soil the mango tree will still grow but at a much-reduced rate. It's harder for the small fibers of the mango tree roots to penetrate clay soil vs more of sandy soil.  Drainage is also much better with sandy loam soil. The mix I like and have been using for over the years is 65% sandy loam, 20% course washed sand, and about 15% pumice. I buy these items in bulk.   

All three items listed above are equally important but the third item is often overlooked. 

Also as a tip do not let young trees set fruit as it takes energy away from foliage production.

Here is a photo I just took today of my sweet-tart on Manila that was grafted 3 1/2 years ago. It has small fruit forming now. This is the first year I will let the fruit hang and mature. My focus for the first three years was on growth.


Sweet Tart on Manila (3.5-year-old)

Humm That's Interesting.  My Coconut Cream is a very fast grower. My tee is about 7 feet tall and wide. I have to trim it each year but it could be the rootstock as I grafted mine onto Manila 3 1/2 years ago.


How long ago did you plant your Coconut Cream in the ground? and is on on Turpentine.

Just wondering as I noticed you have many flowers still and my CC is now starting its first flush on some branches and has already finished flowering overall.


Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Five New Mango Trees!
« on: May 09, 2020, 10:31:47 AM »
Best to give them a call on going down to one of the locations. Last year I paid $23.50 per scoop (2 scoops per yard) for the topsoil. It comes from the bottom of a riverbed. They do not list everything on the website.

I will be getting some topsoil shortly myself for (5) more holes I am preparing. All of my subtropicals get prepared this way for maximum growth.

I have terrible very heavy clay at my home. I wish I had the soil from Alhambra or Pasadena area which is great. Downey also has excellent soil.


Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Five New Mango Trees!
« on: May 08, 2020, 12:43:28 PM »
I get my sandy loam soil with no organic material at Larry's Building materials. They have several locations in OC.

I do not add any organic material to my soil mix.


Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Five New Mango Trees!
« on: May 08, 2020, 10:11:05 AM »
If you have heavy clay soil like I the best solution is to remove and replace the clay soil. I dig a 60" X 60" square hole 16" deep and discard the clay soil via craigslist (Free Dirt). Then I backfill the hole with 70% sandy loam, 15% course washed sand, and 15% pumice (I buy these ingredients in Bulk).  A hole this size will cost you about $100 to backfill but to me, it's worth every penny. Everything I grow in this soil does excellent. Over time you can expand the hole to 72 to 84" wide but for the first 3-4 years, the five-foot hole will be fine.

I know this is not the easiest solution but it is by far the most effective if you have heavy clay soil.


Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Five New Mango Trees!
« on: May 08, 2020, 09:07:54 AM »
Simon has written extensively on the subject of growing mango trees in Socal and I agree with him you should start off with Manila seedling trees first as a rootstock then graft with scions on to those trees after they have grown a few years first.  His remarks are all over this post and make good reading and education.

Plant your mango tree in sandy loam soil not clay or you will have slow and poor growth.

In my experience Dot grows slowly my Carrie on Turpentine died. Hopefully, you will have better luck with Carrie but that is a tricky tree.

I only have one branch I grafted in 2019 with Phoenix so it is too early to tell yet on the growth. We shall see.

Early this year I purchased an Orange Essence Mango Tree on Turpentine and it is in my small greenhouse now. It appears to be a moderate grower.  After I am done grafting the scions from this tree I will sell it. I never keep any of my trees on Turpentine long term. I use them just for scion wood and then they're gone.

Now would be the time to buy some manila seedling trees and start from there. If you want to accelerate growth in your young subtropical trees then buy a small greenhouse. My harbor freight  6 X 8 costs $400 including the wood base. Your trees will flush in the winter and stay green all year with this method. It's a way to supercharge growth in our mild climate. When they are bigger you can put them in the ground.


Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Five New Mango Trees!
« on: May 08, 2020, 12:09:39 AM »
Mango Trees do poorly in Clay Soil.

The time to do your homework is before you purchase not afterward.

Cac, Buttercream, Orange Sherbet, and Seacrest are vigorous growers and would have been better choices than what you purchased especially on Turpentine rootstock.


I currently have both Orange Sherbet and Orange Essence mango Trees on Turpentine. My experience thus far is OS is a fast and aggressive grower. I have already grafted it to an Ataulfo Seedling and just recently grafted it to my Lemon Zest tree in the ground (our temps have been warmer than normal for this time of year in Calif).  My OE is just now putting on its first flush and I just grafted it to my Manila in the ground.

Here is my recent photo of Orange Sherbet on Turpentine that I just moved for a 5 to 7-gallon and preparing for grafting. (I purchased this tree in Sept of 2019 as a small 3 gallon)

When I am done grafting the trees on Turpentine I will sell them and keep my manila rootstock trees with the grafts.

Looking forward to tasting the fruit in a few years.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: New to Mango Trees: Is this normal?
« on: March 31, 2020, 10:28:41 PM »
Your tree looks OK. Relax and put it in shade right now and let it recover. Do not plant it in the ground now.

I bought my Sweet Tart in 2015 like you and it did fine. I sold it a few years later after I had finished using it for grafting stock.


Citrus General Discussion / Re: Shasta Gold Mandarin
« on: March 28, 2020, 08:11:19 AM »
I have not tried the Tahao Gold.  I believe years ago, Gary at laguna Hills Nursery, told me the Tahao Gold does not perform as well hear in So Calif. At the time he was selling Shasta Gold. I found the Yosemite Gold tree at Clausen Nursery in Vista but I don't believe they propagate it now, unfortunately. So for I have been very happy with the fruit quality and growth of the Yosemite Gold at my location. The fruit is large, seedless, juicy and richly flavored. Recently I have been making juice from my YG and it is awesome. As the tree fills out it will look even more attractive.

The Yosemite Gold is the best overall mandarin tree I have ever grown and I have tried a lot of them over the years going back to the 1980s.


Citrus General Discussion / Re: Shasta Gold Mandarin
« on: March 27, 2020, 10:02:20 PM »

My tree is putting on new growth now and yes the tree should be wider and bushier compared to a slimmer more columnar appearance it has now. 

The reason for this is in early 2019 I removed a similar size Tango Mandarin tree that was just seven feet south of the YG.  This tango tree blocked light from the midsection down of my Yosemite Gold resulting in poor growth in these areas. Now that there is much more light reaching all of the Yosemite Gold it should fill out nicely in the next several years.

The Tango did not work out at my coastal location. The Tango produced a good quantity of fruit but it remained high acidity even into spring. I suspect it would do much better inland with more heat. My area is fairly mild being about 4-5 miles from the coast. Also as I mentioned this tree was partially blocking light to my YG Mandarin tree which produces much superior fruit at my location. Taking out the Tango was a good move for my situation. I should have never planted a Tango and in retrospect, it was too close to the Yosemite Gold to begin with.


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