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Why and when did you start collecting rare fruit.
« on: May 15, 2015, 08:25:11 PM »
In my case , when I started hearing about the Y2K in the beginning of the nineties , remember , computers were gonna crash and distribution of food may have become a problem for obvious reasons , I decided they’re not gonna get me I’ll start growing my own . Citrus , mango , papaya , avocados , sapotes , annonas etc are plentiful here and cheap so I wanted something other people didn’t have .
In those days I had a good paying real job so since I couldn’t find anything here I started to travel anytime I could get away to tropical places all over and filled my pockets with seed . Soon it became an obsession !!!! I wanted to grow them all ....and bought more land....
I started with Eugenia uniflora and have been selecting these , to end up with some great ones . Then came the Artocarpus , Garcinias , all the other Myrtaceae’s ...and again I had to buy more land ( did this 4 times , now I cannot ad anymore unless I buy someplace else )
My wife started to complain that all the vacations were fruit related , so I had to be more subtle in picking the next....( great shopping in Kuala Lumpur , she liked that ....) Then she wanted to see colors , so just to be a nice guy I started with Heliconias ...this is eating up 1/4 of my available planting area , but I must say it brings me more $$ than the fruits .
I have a sign in my office that says : NO MORE SEEDS .
I break my rules all the time .....

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Re: Why and when did you start collecting rare fruit.
« Reply #1 on: May 15, 2015, 09:11:40 PM »
I got into it for the same reason but for the next crisis, not the ones we already had (or didn't). Started changing the landscape as part of building an underground hideout in the backyard. Figured I'd do edibles as I replanted. Never did the hideout, but have a yard full of fruiting trees, bushes and vines I can graze off of if the SHTF.
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Re: Why and when did you start collecting rare fruit.
« Reply #2 on: May 15, 2015, 09:20:16 PM »
lol...thank goodness for the y2k scare!

it scared you into assembling one of the best fruit collections in the world!

I started growing stuff gradually...when I first got my own yard to plant in (as a renter, back around 2003).... I remember the first fruit I harvested from a tree was a celeste fig, in a pot.

I used to be obsessed with natives, and foraging for food, then it evolved into a tropical fruit addiction (quite naturally because all of the best stuff comes from the tropics, where all of the diversity is)
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« Reply #3 on: May 15, 2015, 09:32:40 PM »
It started for me about five years ago. At that point I was already a pescatarian, and was looking into growing my own food ( fresh produce is also obscenely overpriced in Australia and this no doubt factored into the deal). I realized I had 3 acres of land which wasn't doing anything other than looking pretty, and started to investigate my aspect, climate, and what could feasibly grown in my locale. I had also started looking into the ecology of meat and food production, and has horrified by what I found, and wanted to find a way off the merry-go-round of suffering, cruelty and environmental degradation caused by these industries.

I began ripping out the exotic ornamentals on my property and generally beating back the jungle which could neither feed me, nor native animals--and I have followed this rule until this day. If it doesn't do either of those things, it gets no space in my patch. I would estimate that I have personally removed and relocated over 100 cubic meters with nothing but a pick and shovel over that time. It's given me a kind of musculature that I doubt I could have achieved with traditional workouts, and has kept me fit generally. I also think it is good to do physically demanding work--for both body and mind. Also, I think I was tired of doing nothing other than working with words. I wanted to create and be involved in something practical.

In the beginning, I had very little understanding of even the basics--things like soil structure, PH, drainage, nutrients etc. Generally what I would do would be to dig a big ass hole, and fill it with potting mix. I lost a lot of good (and some quite expensive) trees through ignorance. As time has gone on, I've learned how to plant in clay, what mulch to use for different species, and most importantly, how much of the brutal Australian sun these different species can handle.

Anyway, I've always been quite good at researching things, and I put this skill to task. I spent probably a year just researching fruit species, and participating in enthusiast forums trying to benefit from the experience of other Australian growers. Gradually over time, I managed to narrow down the selection to trees that met the criteria of high survivability, quality, and production. Hundreds of different species have passed through my possession over time, and very few  things make the cut. I will not grow something based on its rarity; it has to be good.

Probably the most significant part of the process was beginning to trade. This has afforded me some truly fantastic fruits. In the beginning, I was clueless when it came to quarantine, labeling, and proper packing. However the main issue I has was that I simply didn't have anything good to trade with international growers. The person who really helped me overcome that barrier was Mike T, who I'd met two years in or so. He saw me struggling with sourcing species and varieties of things growers in the US and Asia wanted,  took pity on me and basically just gave me a bunch of things to get me started without asking anything in return, and knowing that I wouldn't be able to to pay him back. That's an important distinction to make.

As things developed, and I started successfully getting more packages from overseas and accruing more knowledge about cultivars, it began to occur to me how bereft of many good species and varieties Australia truly was, so my endeavors turned to towards improving the standard of what is available in my country. And so a lot of the time I put in now is directed towards this; I try and import large numbers of seeds, and disperse them around. Sometimes it bites me on the arse--people just grow them out, and hold on to them forever without sending propagation material to others when requested. They're the sort of people who want exclusivity...who will not share anything purely because they want to have something nobody else has. I do my best to systemically exclude them from my dealings as much as possible.

As time went on, I started developing a niche interest in dragonfruit. It took me about a year, but I ultimately managed to source all the good American and Mexican reds and purples. Then, (and this is where I'm currently at) I started moving into opuntia and other fruiting cacti.

In the future, I am considering starting a small dragonfruit farm of a few hundred plants, and plan to make confectionery etc out of these fruits as well as those of prickly pears etc. Perhaps I will also sell Abius and sapotes in limited quantities to markets.


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« Reply #4 on: May 15, 2015, 09:37:24 PM »
In the early 1970's I did sales for my dads and my nursery. I travel the east coast of Fla. I went to a lot of places that had fruit trees with fruit that I had never seen.  I was hooked. Anything I could buy or trade came home with me. Now on my own land I have maybe 300 trees and the nursery has over 2000 to sell.
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« Reply #5 on: May 15, 2015, 10:05:44 PM »
In US I don't know how many people are interested in rare fruits. Most European origin Americans that I know don't care much for these fruits. So my question, if I might, is that for those members that are European origin, what made you interested in the fruits? For me coming from Vietnam it's natural.

I was LOL when reading the Y2K scare that caused some members with great genuine concerns. I never took it serious at all -- I was and I am a computer engineer.  There Must be many people with serious concerns I bet, from reading a few samples here. I wonder what was happening on the stock market during the period -- crashed?

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Re: Why and when did you start collecting rare fruit.
« Reply #6 on: May 15, 2015, 10:11:09 PM »
i think you'd be surprised how many people of European descent are obsessed with fruit trees!

what drives them?  the same natural instincts that you have...the desire to eat a variety of delicious fruits!

In US I don't know how many people are interested in rare fruits. Most European origin Americans that I know don't care much for these fruits. So my question, if I might, is that for those members that are European origin, what made you interested in the fruits? For me coming from Vietnam it's natural.

I was LOL when reading the Y2K scare that caused some members with great genuine concerns. I never took it serious at all -- I was and I am a computer engineer.  There Must be many people with serious concerns I bet, from reading a few samples here. I wonder what was happening on the stock market during the period -- crashed?
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« Reply #7 on: May 15, 2015, 10:56:48 PM »
My parents were drunks/drugees.  So, I didn't eat much as a child.  When I was about 8, my parents split and I ended up with my father and my starvation got worse.  I started coming up with ideas for obtaining food on my own.

I watched my neighbor, who was a farmer, plant fields and orchards, and I replicated what I saw near the woods of our property.  I planted a garden and fruit trees.  I also took a high powered pellet gun and became quite the shot on doves, squirrels and rabbits.  Went fishing, turtling and frog gigging as well--didn't know I was only supposed to eat the frog's legs lol.

Anyhow, by age 10, I became more successful with my harvests and began bringing in more fruit and veges than I could eat.  My neighborhood friends would come around and help me.

Eventually, my father found my mini farm and I thought I was going to be a dead kid.  Instead, he said nothing to me about it.  He simply cut down 1 row of my corn and plant his pot plants behind my other corn rows.  *shakes head*

Anyhow, such was life back in those days.  I'm sure some of you remember.

Either way, being a survivalist taught me valuable lessons and awarded me the ability and desire to have a green thumb.  I have grown my obsession more and more over the years.  Of course, now I'm all about having diverse varieties grown at their hardiness limits.

Got to push the envelop or it isn't worth the efforts.  ;)

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Re: Why and when did you start collecting rare fruit.
« Reply #8 on: May 15, 2015, 11:45:07 PM »
For me it started as a desire to grow mangos that reminds me of my childhood growing up in taiwan.  Mangos in the grocery store in the us is just plain terrible.  Then i discovered this forum in my pursuit for growing good mangos and now my wife says no more fruit trees
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Re: Why and when did you start collecting rare fruit.
« Reply #9 on: May 15, 2015, 11:50:44 PM »
3 years ago or what i call the dawn of a new era, something clicked when i saw you can buy chocolate trees and all different kinds of trees on ebay which i never even considered. A night on the internet and the finding of this forum, a quick look around outside, saw ground with no tree and the rest is history.

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« Reply #10 on: May 16, 2015, 12:50:37 AM »
Mine experience started a little later in life, I went back home to michagin went to one of my uncles friends farm and found he was growing all sorts of exotic trees in a huge self made greenhouse. He was showing me all these trees from all over the world he had been collecting and fruiting in his greenhouse shared his fruit with me and I was hooked! So over the last 2 years or so I have started my own collection ( not worth of most of yours!) but a start and I would like to thank all of the people on this forum for all there help and advice! Without you guys I would be more lost then I am today! And the quest continues..........
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« Reply #11 on: May 16, 2015, 01:49:56 AM »
Thanks for sharing the stories; I moved to Uganda back in 2003 after working with ICT in Asia - my wife and I had purchased a quarter of an acre plot, and I wanted to grow unusual tropical fruits on it; no need to plant a mango as they can be bought everywhere when in season - I still don't own a mango tree by the way.
The first species I got seeds from was Averrhoa carambola (starfruit), bought over the counter back in Denmark and it took off very rapidly from there; I started trading rare African species with fellow collectors like Sadhu, Anestor, Carlos, Luc, Oscar and others within the following years - back in the old yahoo forum I was the only 'African' member for years and most of the indigenous species from East africa were not cultivated outside the region. I'm now "stuck" with a much larger land area as the increasing number of trees couldn't fit on the compound. So I got plenty of space :-)

I'm a biologist, but professionally worked in other areas and collecting fruit trees is my life line back to the roots. I'm funny enough not much of a fruit eater, this is strictly due to my scientific interest of growing them, but also a genuine interest in spreading the knowledge of rare fruits.
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« Reply #12 on: May 16, 2015, 03:33:54 AM »
My interest in tropical fruits started mostly in 1989 when i moved here to Hawaii. My aim was to live off the land as much as possible, and feed myself and family. Prior to that i had a landscaping business in San Diego and specialized in edible landscaping. So it was natural when in the tropics to grow tropical fruits. I can't say i think tropical fruit is in any way better than temperate. I love peaches, nectarines, apricots, cherries, etc. just as much as tropical fruits. The true superiority of tropical fruits in my opinion is in their diversity, so many hundreds more than temperate fruits. And also the fact that they can be grown here year round. Cherries are great, but how many months of the year can they be produced? Here you can eat tropical fruits, and a very good assortment of them, year round. Being vegetarian, and vegan for my first few years here, this was a big part of the attraction. But just as big a reason for moving here was getting away from big cities. I love living in the peaceful country side and eating the fruits of my labor. I didn't start out as a collector but more as a homesteader. I was excited to find out how many fruits i'd never even heard of could potentially be grown here. But when i went around to exisiting nurseries i was very disappointed in how few of them could be obtained here. So i started collecting from different outside sources to plant at my farm. My excess plants i would sell. And that's how it all started out.
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« Reply #13 on: May 16, 2015, 07:36:46 AM »
Growing up in the keys, eating fruit from the store sucked, but a lot of people grew tropical fruit (Guava, mango, lychee, bananas, ect...) and my mom would bring them home. So when I met my wife I started showing her what tropical fruit should taste like (she is from New York) and she became hooked as well. My collection started while I was living in a trailer with almost no yard, so the little land I had I planted bananas, then I started growing stuff in pots. When we got our house, we spent every extra $$ on fruit trees, and now I don't have any yard left.

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« Reply #14 on: May 16, 2015, 09:57:57 AM »
I forgot to mention that my grandfather was a farmer back home in Belgium ages ago , plowing the land with those huge Belgian horses and my grandma on my father’s side had the most incredible orchard with all kinds of cold climate fruits , so I must have it in the blood....
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« Reply #15 on: May 16, 2015, 11:18:14 AM »
I forgot to mention that my grandfather was a farmer back home in Belgium ages ago , plowing the land with those huge Belgian horses and my grandma on my father’s side had the most incredible orchard with all kinds of cold climate fruits , so I must have it in the blood....

my last name is Shafran, which comes from the word Saffron....my ancestors were jews who dealt with expensive edible plants.  ;D
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« Reply #16 on: May 16, 2015, 11:36:00 AM »
My collection pretty much started when I joined the California Rare fruit Growers back in 1997 ever since I've been collecting rare plants. We had moved from L.A. in 1976 to 2.4 acre land on Central Coast of California because we wanted to raise or kids up in Country. We built our house and planted a orchard which today is much expanded and have lost many plants trying to push the zone envelope but now that my sub-tropical area trees get older and I have under story to plant in it is and adventure still to push the edge of what can be grown here. I've learned a lot being a member of this forum and CRFG.  I must say that I also have learned much from my friend and mentor Jack Swords who has turned me on to many tropical plants and given me great growing advice for our area he lives only about 3-miles inland for me.
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« Reply #17 on: May 16, 2015, 11:38:30 AM »
My collection pretty much started when I joined the California Rare fruit Growers back in 1997 ever since I've been collecting rare plants. We had moved from L.A. in 1976 to 2.4 acre land on Central Coast of California because we wanted to raise or kids up in Country. We built our house and planted a orchard which today is much expanded and have lost many plants trying to push the zone envelope but now that my sub-tropical area trees get older and I have under story to plant in it is and adventure still to push the edge of what can be grown here. I've learned a lot being a member of this forum and CRFG.

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« Reply #18 on: May 16, 2015, 11:45:32 AM »
Yea Adam, it's a challenge for sure but being retired now for ten years sure has helped but I sure can't work all day long any more like I used too especially when the wind howls here which it has been doing in afternoons! :P

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« Reply #19 on: May 16, 2015, 12:04:28 PM »
I've enjoyed fruit ever since being able to walk and pick raspberries from our backyard in Saint Paul, Minn.  I became interested in the tropics and tropical fruits after my parents bought a condo on Maui back in the 80's.  I was working for an airline at the time and was able to travel about cheaply. So, I started looking for Hawaiian land of my own, which led to the only reasonably priced land in the state- windward Big Island.  The simple, self reliant lifestyle found living off the grid and growing food also has great appeal to me. Also, an escape from the dark, cold winters of Alaska- where I still primarily live- is a nice treat.
Shunyam Nirav's "Hawaii Organic Growing Guide" was an inspiration for me back in the 90's.   After reading his accounts of durian and mangosteen, among others, I wanted to grow them.  After eating durian for the first time, I decided it would be the star of my orchard.

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« Reply #20 on: May 16, 2015, 12:42:15 PM »
In US I don't know how many people are interested in rare fruits. Most European origin Americans that I know don't care much for these fruits. So my question, if I might, is that for those members that are European origin, what made you interested in the fruits? For me coming from Vietnam it's natural.

I am Euro-American via Russia, Poland and Ukraine. You are correct about Euro-Americans in Florida. Many will not touch a mango. People get spoiled due to cheap energy making for cheap transportation. So you can live in Florida and eat northern fruits like apples and pears etc etc. And never touch a mango. America is rich so you can do this these days.

But go back in time to the 1930s. Apples must have been a luxury in Florida. You either ate the native fruits or did not eat much fruit at all. There are some exceptions but the prime breeders, grafters, sellers of tropical fruit trees in Florida have been and are Euro-Americans so at least some are into it :)   Many houses here have one backyard or front yard mango tree for decoration if nothing else
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« Reply #21 on: May 16, 2015, 12:48:26 PM »
As far as the Y2K scare went... without lots of ammo trees would have been stripped by everyone who couldn't or wouldn't plan, AND you'd probably be dead trying to defend fruit anyway.

But, I'm in the U.S where the "What's yours is mine" mentality has grown faster than my trees so maybe this wouldn't have been a problem in other countries where starving masses would respect the rights of the owners of trees full of nutrients and would rather die of starvation than steal or murder for life itself... :-)

Anyway...

In my case I started planting within weeks of my divorce. My ex didn't like and wouldn't have fruit trees... they made a mess, took time and care and drew vermin, both two and four legged species.

I've always wanted tropical fruit trees and buying a house and not living in a rental was my impetus to get started. As my taste experiences grew beyond mango, banana and pineapple I joined a few forums to see if I could have success with anonna (which I failed at previously years ago)  and it spilled all over my yard from there.
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« Reply #22 on: May 16, 2015, 05:00:10 PM »
If you live in a piss poor climate for growing tropical fruit, don't marry someone from a tropical fruit country!

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« Reply #23 on: May 16, 2015, 06:02:33 PM »
I've enjoyed fruit ever since being able to walk and pick raspberries from our backyard in Saint Paul, Minn.  I became interested in the tropics and tropical fruits after my parents bought a condo on Maui back in the 80's.  I was working for an airline at the time and was able to travel about cheaply. So, I started looking for Hawaiian land of my own, which led to the only reasonably priced land in the state- windward Big Island.  The simple, self reliant lifestyle found living off the grid and growing food also has great appeal to me. Also, an escape from the dark, cold winters of Alaska- where I still primarily live- is a nice treat.
Shunyam Nirav's "Hawaii Organic Growing Guide" was an inspiration for me back in the 90's.   After reading his accounts of durian and mangosteen, among others, I wanted to grow them.  After eating durian for the first time, I decided it would be the star of my orchard.

Oh that's funny. That's the same book that inspired me when i  first moved here. That book has been long out of print. I later got to meet Shunyam Nirav in Thailand and we travelled around and ate lots of durians. He had a great website called Durian Palace. Unfortunately when he passed away a few years ago the website went down also. He was a real durian fanatic and aficionado, and all around nice guy. RIP.
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« Reply #24 on: May 16, 2015, 06:10:25 PM »
I forgot to mention that my grandfather was a farmer back home in Belgium ages ago , plowing the land with those huge Belgian horses and my grandma on my father’s side had the most incredible orchard with all kinds of cold climate fruits , so I must have it in the blood....

None of my ancestors ever farmed. Maybe if i go back 1000 years in my genealogy i can find someone who farmed. When i told my family i wanted to give up my university studies and intellectual life and buy land to farm they looked at me like had just gone insane. They gradually got used to the idea....but still think i'm a bit strange.
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« Reply #25 on: May 16, 2015, 07:12:01 PM »
The reason I started growing rare tropical fruits is complicated, and has some elements of what a lot of other people here have experienced. This story is more than people on an anonymous forum need to know, but some may enjoy reading it and take some inspiration from the role this fruit has played in my life. 

As a kid, I was obsessed with produce. I just had a taste for it. I remember being 2 years old and sitting in the grocery cart, biting directly into onions through their mesh bags. I could not get enough vegetables and fruits, from the beginning. I grew up in the NE of the US, in an area that snowed 8 months out of every year. I got full strong sunlight only about 2 months a year, which I found depressing. Eating tropical fruit was a very rare occurrence for me - I got to try pineapple about once a year, and once every 2 years, a coconut (which I hated but I now understand is because they were always rotten). But I used to adore the idea of tropical living. I had never been anywhere tropical, but from early days I started drawing pictures of tropical scenes on my schoolwork. I knew I wanted to live in a place like that. At the time I was trapped in a very abusive household, so I guess like many people, I also saw the tropics as an escape. I was always planning my future life someday far, far away from where I was, where my parents would never find me, where I could hike through jungle, pick ripe colorful fruit from trees right overhead, and eat them on a beach with turquoise surf. Over time, the thought of tropical fruit in my mind kind of blended with safety.

After years of wanting to be, I finally became fully vegetarian at 12 years old after an unfortunate meat incident that made me put my foot down about what would enter my body, for good. Because of the dietary restrictions, and because I had always had to cook my own food, I became increasingly focused on foods from diverse cultures, many of which were tropical and focused much of their flavors on produce. In the vegetarian cookbooks I found, I realized there were a whole lot of ingredients I had never heard of before. This lead me to search out stores I had not previously been to, where I encountered some fruit I had never seen or heard of in my life. I tended to make up my own recipes, and I adored spicy food, so when I was 15 I got my hands on a starfruit, a persimmon, and a mango, none of which I'd ever heard of before, and made them blackened cajun-style with some vegetables (not sure where I got that idea) - it was one of the best meals I've ever eaten! So that made me a lot more curious about trying new fruits.

At 19, I had already long left that family behind, and I was homeless. I got an opportunity to borrow some money from a friend for a plane ticket to Central America for 4 months, where I assumed it was cheaper to be homeless, while waiting for a school in the Big City to open up their student housing for me. It was there that I first actually SAW jungle, and tropical beach, and tried my first ever guanabana, mora, papaya... and for the first time in my life got to try fresh pineapple, bananas, and coconuts, and realized they are NOTHING like the rotted or tasteless fruits I had tried back home. It blew my mind. Fruit there was cheap or free, so I got to eat it every single day.

When I moved back to the Big City (my plan fortunately having worked out) I immediately found that my favorite place was Chinatown, where I frequently went to try every new fruit and vegetable I could get my hands on. It was in a tiny out of the way Malaysian restaurant that became my favorite, where I had my first ever lychees. And I feel in love... After that I bought them from street vendors whenever I could!

Over the course of a few years I got several degrees, and moved to different cities. My life seemed hopelessly urban, as I needed to be where my academics, and my work, were. I kept dreaming of a tropical life where I could pick that fresh exotic fruit, but it seemed impossible to do it anytime before I reached 80. I continued to travel around the world and try new things, but in the end I always had to come back to the city and to my regular life. I ended up in a marriage that was at first a fairytale, and over more than a decade became a nightmare. I started dreaming of that tropical escape again, just like I had when hiding from my family of origin.

Then, I got sick. It took nearly a year to get an accurate diagnosis, that I was fighting a life-threatening disease - one that had no cure, or even approved treatment. Experimental drugs were extremely expensive. My doctors kept telling me I needed to fill myself with electrolytes - they recommended coconut water as the best source. They also pushed anti-oxidants. These things were outrageously expensive. Each serving of coconut water cost between $2-6, depending on how fresh it was. The fresh produce, especially "super-foods," were also way beyond my budget, and my husband was constantly pushing me to not spend any money on these things that were supposed to help my body fight.  I learned about fruit like Acai, Maqui, Gogi... and realized there were far more fruits in the world than I had imagined!  I wanted to try them all, for the fun of it as much as for the health. I realized that if I could grow my own coconuts, and some of my own produce, I could maybe afford to keep myself alive. I decided that life was short, and got a divorce before I wasted another precious second on someone who was so bent on destroying me.

I was homeless again for a while, and too sick to care for myself. It was scary. I spent a lot of the time bedridden, dreaming of a tropical home where I could grow my own exotic fruit. I got an amazing opportunity through my work, and all of a sudden, that dream had a chance to come true. While I waited to see whether or not I would get this chance to buy my own home in a tropical location, I planned out my dream of what this ideal home might look like. I didn't think I would ever have this kind of chance, but just for fun, I started pasting pictures of tropical plants online onto a document I was making of everything I would buy someday long into the future, if I got to live that long, and if things miraculously worked out. I found that nearly every search landed me on a site called "Top Tropicals," and through browsing their website I came to learn about, and cut out images of more than 100 different tropical fruits I wanted someday, in an ideal life.

Then, suddenly the dream came true. An investment I made proved correct. I was able to buy the house. The house I ended up with had a way bigger yard than I ever would have imagined. The yard had 6 mature coconut trees loaded with green coconuts to give me a near-endless supply of coconut water and young meat. I had just enough savings left to fill that yard with fruit trees. I initially just wanted my first lychee, and no one nearby had one for sale. I was too sick to drive far away. So I looked on Top Tropicals, and there was a Sweetheart lychee. And... there were some other fruits that I happened to have already put on my list. And before I knew it, I was dragging myself out of bed to dig up coral boulders in the yard as my physical therapy. More than 100 different fruit species. I love variety, and the challenge and wonder of new things. I bought many plants that were large size or fruit young, because I didn't know if I would be alive long enough to eat fruit that took several years to mature. I also focused on natives, because they are good for my local environment, and have a lot of medicinal properties so they're good for me, too! I needed things that were either worth the effort physically for my ultimate health in consuming, or would easily survive here and provide me with endless free food. I became too sick to work at all, or to go to the store much, so I knew the produce would be a necessary part of survival, and growing it just steps away from my bed made it easy to feed myself. I grew container fruits out of necessity, because I sometimes am to sick to walk more than a few feet and the food was right there. Also, if there were a hurricane that first year, I could perhaps survive the aftermath with what I had growing just in my house, not to mention outside.

Interestingly enough, the fruit gave me something I didn't expect. I started feeling like I had a need to stay alive, because my plants would all die if I did! I couldn't bear having put in all that work to grow them - literally a lot of blood, sweat, and tears - and letting them all dry up and fall apart, lol! I had a responsibility for all those lives! I also had something to look forward to: if I lived to the next season, I would see my new leaves, or my first blossoms, or my first fruit of a particular species. Then I lived through the first year, and started to get stronger. I'm not cured by any means, I'm still sick and likely always will be unless they find a cure... but I started to get a bit better and I started to want to be around long enough to see more kinds of fruit, and my first big crops of some of the more mature trees. I want to try more and more kinds of fruit I have never seen or tasted in my life before, and that means sticking around for a few years yet to see some of them fruit because for many, I am the only person I know nearby who grows them, or even knows what they are.

Growing these rare tropical fruits has been harder than I ever would have imagined. I naively assumed that if you show up to a tropical climate and start planting tropical fruit, it will grow. LOL! Not so... But, it has been an amazing journey to learn about all of this fruit, and to watch these beautiful plants reach up toward the sky and branch out. Tropical fruit has already brought a lot more to my life than I ever expected. It led me to my current life, it is part of how I continue to keep living, and it gives me a joy that when I'm really violently sick, almost nothing else does. It gives me reasons to live and to plant more seeds, so I can watch them grow the next day.

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Incidentally, this is an awesome thread idea. I am surprised to read all the different stories, which is why I decided to post mine. It is clear that tropical fruit brings people from all over the world together, across cultures, climates, religions, socioeconomic backgrounds, types of families, across varying politics and different interests. I suggest that someone on this forum put together a book, perhaps soliciting longer-version stories from people for chapters or at least sections of chapters, demonstrating how this common thread to all of us - Rare Tropical Fruit - actually links people all over the world. The stories on this thread fascinate me, and I bet they, and the universal message of how this food (and hobby) connects us, would fascinate others.

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Re: Why and when did you start collecting rare fruit.
« Reply #26 on: May 16, 2015, 08:40:33 PM »
My story begins as a 6 year old, with my father and I starting our backyard vegetable garden.  I always had a fascination with growing things.  My father and I planted  a row of fruit trees across our small backyard once we moved into our second house....that would be around age 8.  In my teens I became a carnivorous plant fanatic and collected a wide range of carnivorous plants.  Then after going away to college and law school, I returned to South Florida to a new obsession......orchids.  Eventually, my 800 orchid plants over ran my townhouse back yard and necessitated the purchase of a larger property to build an orchid shade house.  I purchased my present property with that in mind in 1989.  Orchids remained my passion for about 15 years but I slowly started planting fruit trees on my just under 2.5 acre property.  Citrus and avocado came first.  Then a few bananas and a mango or two.  I went to a Rare Fruit Council meeting and tasted some things.  Then it was all downhill from there.  I took the Sub-Tropical Fruit course 3 successive years at Broward College taught by Al Will and later Bruce Livingston.  The class gave us VIP access to Zills, the Kampong and the Fruit and Spice Park and also Bill Whitman's property.  The addiction swung into full gear and I began coveting and buying every supposedly excellent mango cultivar that was available. And that has been an on gong process now for over 20 years.  I'm probably going to get tired of it all shortly......or maybe not.  ;)
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Re: Why and when did you start collecting rare fruit.
« Reply #27 on: May 16, 2015, 09:27:59 PM »
The reason I started growing rare tropical fruits is complicated, and has some elements of what a lot of other people here have experienced. This story is more than people on an anonymous forum need to know, but some may enjoy reading it and take some inspiration from the role this fruit has played in my life. 

As a kid, I was obsessed with produce. I just had a taste for it. I remember being 2 years old and sitting in the grocery cart, biting directly into onions through their mesh bags. I could not get enough vegetables and fruits, from the beginning. I grew up in the NE of the US, in an area that snowed 8 months out of every year. I got full strong sunlight only about 2 months a year, which I found depressing. Eating tropical fruit was a very rare occurrence for me - I got to try pineapple about once a year, and once every 2 years, a coconut (which I hated but I now understand is because they were always rotten). But I used to adore the idea of tropical living. I had never been anywhere tropical, but from early days I started drawing pictures of tropical scenes on my schoolwork. I knew I wanted to live in a place like that. At the time I was trapped in a very abusive household, so I guess like many people, I also saw the tropics as an escape. I was always planning my future life someday far, far away from where I was, where my parents would never find me, where I could hike through jungle, pick ripe colorful fruit from trees right overhead, and eat them on a beach with turquoise surf. Over time, the thought of tropical fruit in my mind kind of blended with safety.

After years of wanting to be, I finally became fully vegetarian at 12 years old after an unfortunate meat incident that made me put my foot down about what would enter my body, for good. Because of the dietary restrictions, and because I had always had to cook my own food, I became increasingly focused on foods from diverse cultures, many of which were tropical and focused much of their flavors on produce. In the vegetarian cookbooks I found, I realized there were a whole lot of ingredients I had never heard of before. This lead me to search out stores I had not previously been to, where I encountered some fruit I had never seen or heard of in my life. I tended to make up my own recipes, and I adored spicy food, so when I was 15 I got my hands on a starfruit, a persimmon, and a mango, none of which I'd ever heard of before, and made them blackened cajun-style with some vegetables (not sure where I got that idea) - it was one of the best meals I've ever eaten! So that made me a lot more curious about trying new fruits.

At 19, I had already long left that family behind, and I was homeless. I got an opportunity to borrow some money from a friend for a plane ticket to Central America for 4 months, where I assumed it was cheaper to be homeless, while waiting for a school in the Big City to open up their student housing for me. It was there that I first actually SAW jungle, and tropical beach, and tried my first ever guanabana, mora, papaya... and for the first time in my life got to try fresh pineapple, bananas, and coconuts, and realized they are NOTHING like the rotted or tasteless fruits I had tried back home. It blew my mind. Fruit there was cheap or free, so I got to eat it every single day.

When I moved back to the Big City (my plan fortunately having worked out) I immediately found that my favorite place was Chinatown, where I frequently went to try every new fruit and vegetable I could get my hands on. It was in a tiny out of the way Malaysian restaurant that became my favorite, where I had my first ever lychees. And I feel in love... After that I bought them from street vendors whenever I could!

Over the course of a few years I got several degrees, and moved to different cities. My life seemed hopelessly urban, as I needed to be where my academics, and my work, were. I kept dreaming of a tropical life where I could pick that fresh exotic fruit, but it seemed impossible to do it anytime before I reached 80. I continued to travel around the world and try new things, but in the end I always had to come back to the city and to my regular life. I ended up in a marriage that was at first a fairytale, and over more than a decade became a nightmare. I started dreaming of that tropical escape again, just like I had when hiding from my family of origin.

Then, I got sick. It took nearly a year to get an accurate diagnosis, that I was fighting a life-threatening disease - one that had no cure, or even approved treatment. Experimental drugs were extremely expensive. My doctors kept telling me I needed to fill myself with electrolytes - they recommended coconut water as the best source. They also pushed anti-oxidants. These things were outrageously expensive. Each serving of coconut water cost between $2-6, depending on how fresh it was. The fresh produce, especially "super-foods," were also way beyond my budget, and my husband was constantly pushing me to not spend any money on these things that were supposed to help my body fight.  I learned about fruit like Acai, Maqui, Gogi... and realized there were far more fruits in the world than I had imagined!  I wanted to try them all, for the fun of it as much as for the health. I realized that if I could grow my own coconuts, and some of my own produce, I could maybe afford to keep myself alive. I decided that life was short, and got a divorce before I wasted another precious second on someone who was so bent on destroying me.

I was homeless again for a while, and too sick to care for myself. It was scary. I spent a lot of the time bedridden, dreaming of a tropical home where I could grow my own exotic fruit. I got an amazing opportunity through my work, and all of a sudden, that dream had a chance to come true. While I waited to see whether or not I would get this chance to buy my own home in a tropical location, I planned out my dream of what this ideal home might look like. I didn't think I would ever have this kind of chance, but just for fun, I started pasting pictures of tropical plants online onto a document I was making of everything I would buy someday long into the future, if I got to live that long, and if things miraculously worked out. I found that nearly every search landed me on a site called "Top Tropicals," and through browsing their website I came to learn about, and cut out images of more than 100 different tropical fruits I wanted someday, in an ideal life.

Then, suddenly the dream came true. An investment I made proved correct. I was able to buy the house. The house I ended up with had a way bigger yard than I ever would have imagined. The yard had 6 mature coconut trees loaded with green coconuts to give me a near-endless supply of coconut water and young meat. I had just enough savings left to fill that yard with fruit trees. I initially just wanted my first lychee, and no one nearby had one for sale. I was too sick to drive far away. So I looked on Top Tropicals, and there was a Sweetheart lychee. And... there were some other fruits that I happened to have already put on my list. And before I knew it, I was dragging myself out of bed to dig up coral boulders in the yard as my physical therapy. More than 100 different fruit species. I love variety, and the challenge and wonder of new things. I bought many plants that were large size or fruit young, because I didn't know if I would be alive long enough to eat fruit that took several years to mature. I also focused on natives, because they are good for my local environment, and have a lot of medicinal properties so they're good for me, too! I needed things that were either worth the effort physically for my ultimate health in consuming, or would easily survive here and provide me with endless free food. I became too sick to work at all, or to go to the store much, so I knew the produce would be a necessary part of survival, and growing it just steps away from my bed made it easy to feed myself. I grew container fruits out of necessity, because I sometimes am to sick to walk more than a few feet and the food was right there. Also, if there were a hurricane that first year, I could perhaps survive the aftermath with what I had growing just in my house, not to mention outside.

Interestingly enough, the fruit gave me something I didn't expect. I started feeling like I had a need to stay alive, because my plants would all die if I did! I couldn't bear having put in all that work to grow them - literally a lot of blood, sweat, and tears - and letting them all dry up and fall apart, lol! I had a responsibility for all those lives! I also had something to look forward to: if I lived to the next season, I would see my new leaves, or my first blossoms, or my first fruit of a particular species. Then I lived through the first year, and started to get stronger. I'm not cured by any means, I'm still sick and likely always will be unless they find a cure... but I started to get a bit better and I started to want to be around long enough to see more kinds of fruit, and my first big crops of some of the more mature trees. I want to try more and more kinds of fruit I have never seen or tasted in my life before, and that means sticking around for a few years yet to see some of them fruit because for many, I am the only person I know nearby who grows them, or even knows what they are.

Growing these rare tropical fruits has been harder than I ever would have imagined. I naively assumed that if you show up to a tropical climate and start planting tropical fruit, it will grow. LOL! Not so... But, it has been an amazing journey to learn about all of this fruit, and to watch these beautiful plants reach up toward the sky and branch out. Tropical fruit has already brought a lot more to my life than I ever expected. It led me to my current life, it is part of how I continue to keep living, and it gives me a joy that when I'm really violently sick, almost nothing else does. It gives me reasons to live and to plant more seeds, so I can watch them grow the next day.

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Incidentally, this is an awesome thread idea. I am surprised to read all the different stories, which is why I decided to post mine. It is clear that tropical fruit brings people from all over the world together, across cultures, climates, religions, socioeconomic backgrounds, types of families, across varying politics and different interests. I suggest that someone on this forum put together a book, perhaps soliciting longer-version stories from people for chapters or at least sections of chapters, demonstrating how this common thread to all of us - Rare Tropical Fruit - actually links people all over the world. The stories on this thread fascinate me, and I bet they, and the universal message of how this food (and hobby) connects us, would fascinate others.

Hope you regain all your health. My suggestion is don't wait until "they find a cure". Do your own research. Be your own doctor. The internet is a wonderful tool for research. Don't ever give up on your health.
Your story leads naturally to another topic: which of the fruits are the most healing? I'd have to vote for coconut, papaya, pineapple, avocado, banana, breadfruit. Berries also good for the anti oxidants: mulberry, raspberry, blueberry, cranberry.
I think Max Gerson had some very good suggestions for regaining your health through diet. But there are very many good books on this topic.
About the garden giving you something to live for: i see a lot of very old coots that are kept alive and vibrant through their gardening and fascination for plants. So yes i agree that's a very big help.
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Re: Why and when did you start collecting rare fruit.
« Reply #28 on: May 17, 2015, 12:16:52 AM »
My grandfather always had trees he grew from seed, and had stories of mangoes in Cuba, and then in Puerto Rico where he lived before finally moving here to South Florida. He loved all fruits. He had the patience I lack. He would plant seeds and was never worried about "varieties" or "rarities", he just loved his trees, and they loved him by giving him good fruit to eat. He did have his favorites from Cuba like Biscochuelo mango (which I have yet to find here)  and on he called "corazon" it was small, purple shoulders and almost shaped like a small heart, size of the palm of your hand.  He passed a few years back, and I don't know if genetics kicked in, or if he planted a seed in me with all those stories etc... that has finally grown!!  I started 2 years ago with a few mango trees.  I got lucky in that I did not go to a big box store etc.. and went to a decent local nursery where he guided me to a PPK and cogshall as my first trees. Both producing for the first time this year. Then it happened, I found this website, and ventured to Fruit and Spice Park for the first time and that opened my eyes as to the endless varieties of fruit that can be grown here......................the nail went in the coffin.  I am quickly running out of land. While not "RARE" trees, none of my friends know or have heard of most of my fruit trees LOL  I am obsessed with learning, and sometimes I guess I ask too many questions as I have been told by some here.  But that does not deter me and I have been given GREAT guidance by people like Bullie, CBSDavie and Gunnar to name a few.  Several others have answered pms, or answered topic questions and I thank them too!!!  I am saving a few spots for my next trips to my drug dealers.... I mean fruit dealers Bullie at Excalibur and Mike at Benders. Both have been great to me in different ways.  I know I am new, and many of you have been doing this longer than the forum has even been around.  I hope you realize how helpful all your help and information is to people like me. It has made my learning curve zoom.  But best is having met and hoping to meet and see others collections!! It is a real treat to talk to people about this obsession of fruit that many do not understand.

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Re: Why and when did you start collecting rare fruit.
« Reply #29 on: May 17, 2015, 07:35:26 AM »
This story is basically copied from another thread I started about my native plants just with abit added on:)

I think iv always loved plants I just didn't know how much as a child I would mix all my parents fertilisers together, mash up leaves etc and try make a super growth formula that invariably had the opposite effect and killed my mother's plants. I have fond memories of gardening with my Ouma(grandmother) and getting a love for the smell of loam and the wonder of growing from her. Through my adolescent and teenage years I tried very hard to be accepted by my peers I convinced myself I was interested in watching sports(which I hate to watch!) and fast cars etc. I partied pretty hard smoked alot of cigarettes which I only recently quit and drank a hell of a lot all through high school drugs and stupid things like inhailing lighter gas was common too.

So I started growing flowers at about 19-20  on my balcony for various reasons like camouflaging other things I was growing but little did I know how I would fall in love with plants all over again. Not caring any more what other guys would think of a male who loved flowers and especially roses anymore(and my old highschool friends did rag on me alot but I didn't care anymore and good friends should respect your interests loving roses makes me no less manly than loving sports I think and my then girlfriend now fiancee supported my interests and still does she's my best friend anyway:)
After a year or so I started looking at herbs and medicinal plants I also had a keen interest in growing entheogens that I still hold today.
I eventually progressed into vegies and started my own veggie patch this was really where I become a plant fanatic, eating my own vegetables was a feeling I never could have imagined. The pride and sense of accomplishment I received was unbelievable.
The internet and one of those "ten fruits youve never heard of" articles blew my mind it turned a fanatic into the unhealthily obsessed :o
How many other worthwhile fruits had I just not heard of? I started thinking. My ignorant mind had just believed there was maybe a small variation across countries but nothing major and I wasnt really missing out, any fruits I hadnt heard of I thought must be worthless and thats why I had never heard of them.
How wrong I was!!
I desperately started searching out seeds and plants of the less common fruits and getting a pay pal in 2013 opened up a whole new world 8)
Finding this forum around the same rime just pushed my obsessions further still and I voraciously lurked this website for months.
So also a few months after this I started thinking that Marula cant be the only fruit from my region and started making notebooks of species and calling botanical gardens and indigenous nurseries, ordering from silverhill and other sources and trying to get as many indigenous fruits as possible.
Though Im yet to fruit most of them Iv managed to collect and germinate a few as well as buy some older plants of many indigenous fruits:)
I hope to make these plants more widely known in my country one day and maybe even open an edible nursery here, I would love to find nutrition high plants and distribute them freely in the townships and rural areas to increase food security and a love of the plants the people of this country once cherished but now have widely forgotten due to our shameful past.
My passion for exotics has never ceased either though and it's a struggle not to bankrupt myself on seeds some months!
I'm putting all my meagre intern savings into a wedding fund at the moment but still lurk the buy sell trade forum and scoure eBay and the good but rare websites like fruitlovers and availableseeds just to torture myself ha ha!

I know for sure I am marrying the right woman though, for our 9 year anniversary of dating on the 13 of May as a present she ordered me seeds from availableseeds what a woman!
Im 26 years old now and hopefully have enough years to explore my passion alot further!
I would especially love to select out some nicer African varieties and currently have close to 100 Marula seedlings for this ppurpose. Acreage and microclimate will be a big factor in the house we buy:)

I must thank this forum for giving outlet and community for all the fruit obsessed of the world I hope our membership keeps growing and we can spread this fruit love worldwide:)
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Re: Why and when did you start collecting rare fruit.
« Reply #30 on: May 17, 2015, 10:34:24 PM »

Hope you regain all your health. My suggestion is don't wait until "they find a cure". Do your own research. Be your own doctor. The internet is a wonderful tool for research. Don't ever give up on your health.
Your story leads naturally to another topic: which of the fruits are the most healing? I'd have to vote for coconut, papaya, pineapple, avocado, banana, breadfruit. Berries also good for the anti oxidants: mulberry, raspberry, blueberry, cranberry.
I think Max Gerson had some very good suggestions for regaining your health through diet. But there are very many good books on this topic.
About the garden giving you something to live for: i see a lot of very old coots that are kept alive and vibrant through their gardening and fascination for plants. So yes i agree that's a very big help.

Thanks. I have researched and been my own doctor every day for 6 years since I got sick. I am very well versed on my illnesses - more so than most people in the world, including most doctors. As an academic, research is part of my daily life.

I would say there is no one fruit that is most healing, given that it depends on what is wrong with the body. Diseases are not all the same, and the properties of plants are very different. Most of the time, vegetables or purely medicinal plants are going to be more healing for those with serious disease. But people have seen some miraculous things with any fruit that has unusual properties or levels of certain nutrients - guanabana, noni, maqui, and so many others, as well as the seeds of fruits, have shown some success in treating certain diseases to a remarkable degree, but of course the documentation and long-term follow-up is very limited. Gerson therapy actually recommends against many fruits, since it is against sugar, is specifically against pineapple and berries, and also is rooted in traditional German diet so has very little tropical produce officially endorsed at all. Any culture from around the world that has more than 1,000 years of testing in treating disease certainly will have some recommendations for natural treatments that are worth taking into consideration, though (Ayurvedic, Chinese, Japanese, certain Native American cultures, etc.). Researching any natural treatments for diseases that have only recently been identified in the world is extremely difficult, and there is no guarantee. One can accidentally make things worse with natural foods just as much as with Rx medications, so there is a lot to consider.

But whether or not one finds fruits that are truly healing to whatever specific ailment one might have, I think just being around growing plants is a very healing experience in its own right.
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Just a thought, but what about making this thread a sticky? I think that these stories tell a lot more about members really than Introductions do, and I think that topic would be a great source of support to new members (and interesting for more long-time members). Kind of nice when you're just venturing into reading stuff about fruit-growing fanatics and unusual fruit, to see the many different reasons WHY people get into this stuff in the first place...and if they feel that they found what they were originally looking for. I think it seems many of us found much more than we bargained for!

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Re: Why and when did you start collecting rare fruit.
« Reply #31 on: May 18, 2015, 08:18:47 AM »
None of my ancestors was a farmer, but all of them lived in homes where they could have at least one or two fruit trees. In my grandmother's house, the biggest of the family properties, we had guava, lemon, orange, tomatoes and even a chicken coop. My parents lived humbly but told me stories about their childhood. Fruits had higher prices and pears, melons, apples (just to name a few) weren´t bought frequently. By other side, were common collect fruits like jabuticabas, pitangas, oranges, guavas and others where they played. Fewer buildings and more fields, trees and clean rivers, the opposite of what the city of São Paulo offers us today.
Since my childhood I have always been curious about fruit cultivation. When I was 7 years old, I collected different colors of beans and planted just to see the result (two kilos of beans were harvested), planted fruit seeds to see how was the tree, and so on.
When in sixteen years old I thought about becoming a botanist, paleontologist, geneticist ... but I ended up making me a systems analyst, and between 15 and 40 years old, stayed away from this hobby.
At 40 years old, married and stressed with work and life in the city of São Paulo, I reminded of my childhood and my hobby after a conversation with my children, one of those "Dad, what did you do as a child?". Also rememberede what my parents had told me about their chidhood...
As I had no piece of land for cultivation, I started planting strawberries and tomatoes in pots. My wife also likes plants, so she added some flowering plants to our small collection. At 45 years old, we bought a new house, which has roughly 15 square meters of land, divided into small areas. Then I started researching what fruit could be planted in this small space and even in pots, since we also have a small area, cemented, about 35 meters long by 1.5 meters wide. The result, four years after the initial research, is my collection of over sixty pots with fruit trees, including 5 species non native to Brazil, and six trees planted in the soil.
And in the last weekend, we added one more to our potted collection: a grafted sapodilla that has come with its 5 first sapotis growing. :D
I am 50 years old, and my dream is one day have enough money to buy a small farm.
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Re: Why and when did you start collecting rare fruit.
« Reply #32 on: May 18, 2015, 12:03:10 PM »
you know...the more I think of it...the more I wish I could divulge...the way I got into growing tropical fruits...it's a story of an obsessive individual, who loves diversity, and everything natural.

It may sound crazy, but I know it's part of a divine plan...I have no control over.

I am not a grower of plants...the plants have been growing me...and changing me as a person.

I am not a an owner of plants, the plants own me.

I am not a caretaker or custodian of plants, they have been caring for me.

It's not what type of plants the person is growing that matters to me, it's what type of person the plant has grown.  (you can quote me on that)  ;)

lol...thank goodness for the y2k scare!

it scared you into assembling one of the best fruit collections in the world!

I started growing stuff gradually...when I first got my own yard to plant in (as a renter, back around 2003).... I remember the first fruit I harvested from a tree was a celeste fig, in a pot.

I used to be obsessed with natives, and foraging for food, then it evolved into a tropical fruit addiction (quite naturally because all of the best stuff comes from the tropics, where all of the diversity is)
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Re: Why and when did you start collecting rare fruit.
« Reply #33 on: May 18, 2015, 09:51:41 PM »
The reason I started growing rare tropical fruits is complicated, and has some elements of what a lot of other people here have experienced. This story is more than people on an anonymous forum need to know, but some may enjoy reading it and take some inspiration from the role this fruit has played in my life. 

As a kid, I was obsessed with produce. I just had a taste for it. I remember being 2 years old and sitting in the grocery cart, biting directly into onions through their mesh bags. I could not get enough vegetables and fruits, from the beginning. I grew up in the NE of the US, in an area that snowed 8 months out of every year. I got full strong sunlight only about 2 months a year, which I found depressing. Eating tropical fruit was a very rare occurrence for me - I got to try pineapple about once a year, and once every 2 years, a coconut (which I hated but I now understand is because they were always rotten). But I used to adore the idea of tropical living. I had never been anywhere tropical, but from early days I started drawing pictures of tropical scenes on my schoolwork. I knew I wanted to live in a place like that. At the time I was trapped in a very abusive household, so I guess like many people, I also saw the tropics as an escape. I was always planning my future life someday far, far away from where I was, where my parents would never find me, where I could hike through jungle, pick ripe colorful fruit from trees right overhead, and eat them on a beach with turquoise surf. Over time, the thought of tropical fruit in my mind kind of blended with safety.

After years of wanting to be, I finally became fully vegetarian at 12 years old after an unfortunate meat incident that made me put my foot down about what would enter my body, for good. Because of the dietary restrictions, and because I had always had to cook my own food, I became increasingly focused on foods from diverse cultures, many of which were tropical and focused much of their flavors on produce. In the vegetarian cookbooks I found, I realized there were a whole lot of ingredients I had never heard of before. This lead me to search out stores I had not previously been to, where I encountered some fruit I had never seen or heard of in my life. I tended to make up my own recipes, and I adored spicy food, so when I was 15 I got my hands on a starfruit, a persimmon, and a mango, none of which I'd ever heard of before, and made them blackened cajun-style with some vegetables (not sure where I got that idea) - it was one of the best meals I've ever eaten! So that made me a lot more curious about trying new fruits.

At 19, I had already long left that family behind, and I was homeless. I got an opportunity to borrow some money from a friend for a plane ticket to Central America for 4 months, where I assumed it was cheaper to be homeless, while waiting for a school in the Big City to open up their student housing for me. It was there that I first actually SAW jungle, and tropical beach, and tried my first ever guanabana, mora, papaya... and for the first time in my life got to try fresh pineapple, bananas, and coconuts, and realized they are NOTHING like the rotted or tasteless fruits I had tried back home. It blew my mind. Fruit there was cheap or free, so I got to eat it every single day.

When I moved back to the Big City (my plan fortunately having worked out) I immediately found that my favorite place was Chinatown, where I frequently went to try every new fruit and vegetable I could get my hands on. It was in a tiny out of the way Malaysian restaurant that became my favorite, where I had my first ever lychees. And I feel in love... After that I bought them from street vendors whenever I could!

Over the course of a few years I got several degrees, and moved to different cities. My life seemed hopelessly urban, as I needed to be where my academics, and my work, were. I kept dreaming of a tropical life where I could pick that fresh exotic fruit, but it seemed impossible to do it anytime before I reached 80. I continued to travel around the world and try new things, but in the end I always had to come back to the city and to my regular life. I ended up in a marriage that was at first a fairytale, and over more than a decade became a nightmare. I started dreaming of that tropical escape again, just like I had when hiding from my family of origin.

Then, I got sick. It took nearly a year to get an accurate diagnosis, that I was fighting a life-threatening disease - one that had no cure, or even approved treatment. Experimental drugs were extremely expensive. My doctors kept telling me I needed to fill myself with electrolytes - they recommended coconut water as the best source. They also pushed anti-oxidants. These things were outrageously expensive. Each serving of coconut water cost between $2-6, depending on how fresh it was. The fresh produce, especially "super-foods," were also way beyond my budget, and my husband was constantly pushing me to not spend any money on these things that were supposed to help my body fight.  I learned about fruit like Acai, Maqui, Gogi... and realized there were far more fruits in the world than I had imagined!  I wanted to try them all, for the fun of it as much as for the health. I realized that if I could grow my own coconuts, and some of my own produce, I could maybe afford to keep myself alive. I decided that life was short, and got a divorce before I wasted another precious second on someone who was so bent on destroying me.

I was homeless again for a while, and too sick to care for myself. It was scary. I spent a lot of the time bedridden, dreaming of a tropical home where I could grow my own exotic fruit. I got an amazing opportunity through my work, and all of a sudden, that dream had a chance to come true. While I waited to see whether or not I would get this chance to buy my own home in a tropical location, I planned out my dream of what this ideal home might look like. I didn't think I would ever have this kind of chance, but just for fun, I started pasting pictures of tropical plants online onto a document I was making of everything I would buy someday long into the future, if I got to live that long, and if things miraculously worked out. I found that nearly every search landed me on a site called "Top Tropicals," and through browsing their website I came to learn about, and cut out images of more than 100 different tropical fruits I wanted someday, in an ideal life.

Then, suddenly the dream came true. An investment I made proved correct. I was able to buy the house. The house I ended up with had a way bigger yard than I ever would have imagined. The yard had 6 mature coconut trees loaded with green coconuts to give me a near-endless supply of coconut water and young meat. I had just enough savings left to fill that yard with fruit trees. I initially just wanted my first lychee, and no one nearby had one for sale. I was too sick to drive far away. So I looked on Top Tropicals, and there was a Sweetheart lychee. And... there were some other fruits that I happened to have already put on my list. And before I knew it, I was dragging myself out of bed to dig up coral boulders in the yard as my physical therapy. More than 100 different fruit species. I love variety, and the challenge and wonder of new things. I bought many plants that were large size or fruit young, because I didn't know if I would be alive long enough to eat fruit that took several years to mature. I also focused on natives, because they are good for my local environment, and have a lot of medicinal properties so they're good for me, too! I needed things that were either worth the effort physically for my ultimate health in consuming, or would easily survive here and provide me with endless free food. I became too sick to work at all, or to go to the store much, so I knew the produce would be a necessary part of survival, and growing it just steps away from my bed made it easy to feed myself. I grew container fruits out of necessity, because I sometimes am to sick to walk more than a few feet and the food was right there. Also, if there were a hurricane that first year, I could perhaps survive the aftermath with what I had growing just in my house, not to mention outside.

Interestingly enough, the fruit gave me something I didn't expect. I started feeling like I had a need to stay alive, because my plants would all die if I did! I couldn't bear having put in all that work to grow them - literally a lot of blood, sweat, and tears - and letting them all dry up and fall apart, lol! I had a responsibility for all those lives! I also had something to look forward to: if I lived to the next season, I would see my new leaves, or my first blossoms, or my first fruit of a particular species. Then I lived through the first year, and started to get stronger. I'm not cured by any means, I'm still sick and likely always will be unless they find a cure... but I started to get a bit better and I started to want to be around long enough to see more kinds of fruit, and my first big crops of some of the more mature trees. I want to try more and more kinds of fruit I have never seen or tasted in my life before, and that means sticking around for a few years yet to see some of them fruit because for many, I am the only person I know nearby who grows them, or even knows what they are.

Growing these rare tropical fruits has been harder than I ever would have imagined. I naively assumed that if you show up to a tropical climate and start planting tropical fruit, it will grow. LOL! Not so... But, it has been an amazing journey to learn about all of this fruit, and to watch these beautiful plants reach up toward the sky and branch out. Tropical fruit has already brought a lot more to my life than I ever expected. It led me to my current life, it is part of how I continue to keep living, and it gives me a joy that when I'm really violently sick, almost nothing else does. It gives me reasons to live and to plant more seeds, so I can watch them grow the next day.

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Incidentally, this is an awesome thread idea. I am surprised to read all the different stories, which is why I decided to post mine. It is clear that tropical fruit brings people from all over the world together, across cultures, climates, religions, socioeconomic backgrounds, types of families, across varying politics and different interests. I suggest that someone on this forum put together a book, perhaps soliciting longer-version stories from people for chapters or at least sections of chapters, demonstrating how this common thread to all of us - Rare Tropical Fruit - actually links people all over the world. The stories on this thread fascinate me, and I bet they, and the universal message of how this food (and hobby) connects us, would fascinate others.

[/quoteVery nice and inspiring history, thank you so much for sharing; God bless you!
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Re: Why and when did you start collecting rare fruit.
« Reply #34 on: May 18, 2015, 09:57:07 PM »
Raul your idea is a wonderful one!  Let me know if I can help...I have a funny story to tell...I've been keeping a secret for too long   :-X ;)
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« Reply #35 on: May 21, 2015, 06:59:58 PM »
Raul your idea is a wonderful one!  Let me know if I can help...I have a funny story to tell...I've been keeping a secret for too long   :-X ;)


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« Reply #36 on: May 21, 2015, 07:36:23 PM »
you know...the more I think of it...the more I wish I could divulge...the way I got into growing tropical fruits...it's a story of an obsessive individual, who loves diversity, and everything natural.

It may sound crazy, but I know it's part of a divine plan...I have no control over.

I am not a grower of plants...the plants have been growing me...and changing me as a person.

I am not a an owner of plants, the plants own me.

I am not a caretaker or custodian of plants, they have been caring for me.

It's not what type of plants the person is growing that matters to me, it's what type of person the plant has grown.  (you can quote me on that)  ;)


Lovely. And a great quote!

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Re: Why and when did you start collecting rare fruit.
« Reply #37 on: May 21, 2015, 11:31:13 PM »
you know...the more I think of it...the more I wish I could divulge...the way I got into growing tropical fruits...it's a story of an obsessive individual, who loves diversity, and everything natural.

It may sound crazy, but I know it's part of a divine plan...I have no control over.

I am not a grower of plants...the plants have been growing me...and changing me as a person.

I am not a an owner of plants, the plants own me.

I am not a caretaker or custodian of plants, they have been caring for me.

It's not what type of plants the person is growing that matters to me, it's what type of person the plant has grown.  (you can quote me on that)  ;)


Lovely. And a great quote!

thank you for kind words!

you know what's crazy...i ended up reading your story after I posted this quote above, and realized your story was exactly what I'm talking about...and the plants grew you into a wonderful person!!!  :'( tears of joy  :)

(not that you were not already wonderful!!  :P but maybe plants helped you stay wonderful )
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« Reply #38 on: May 21, 2015, 11:39:03 PM »
haha i think maybe one day...

but it's a complex tale...of tomfoolery, and what I like to call "OCDsmanship".

two skills I mastered long before I cared about any plant...or rare fruit.

 
Raul your idea is a wonderful one!  Let me know if I can help...I have a funny story to tell...I've been keeping a secret for too long   :-X ;)


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« Reply #39 on: May 23, 2015, 09:49:55 AM »
thank you for kind words!

you know what's crazy...i ended up reading your story after I posted this quote above, and realized your story was exactly what I'm talking about...and the plants grew you into a wonderful person!!!  :'( tears of joy  :)

(not that you were not already wonderful!!  :P but maybe plants helped you stay wonderful )


Wow, thank you! But you never know, I could be a serial killer in between my posts on this forum! So in that case, I'm not sure I would qualify for the compliments...   But yeah, plants are awesome.

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Re: Why and when did you start collecting rare fruit.
« Reply #40 on: May 23, 2015, 09:57:23 AM »
LOL

Well even if you are a serial killer (tropical fruit bundy), at least you help out the plants, and they've helped you!

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« Reply #42 on: May 23, 2015, 09:33:46 PM »
I grow fruit because there's so many wonderful and exotics fruits in the world but local markets only sell the usual crap: apples, pears, citrus, Cavendish bananas, etc. So I've been collecting and growing good fruit trees whose fruits are simply not sold anywhere around here.

Even as a kid growing up around New England, I always loved picking raspberries, blackberries, and blueberries during the summer. But here I can grow so much more, and I can have at least something fruiting at almost any time of the year.

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Growing up in Vancouver, Canada I was surrounded by other cultures and exposed to lots of different foods. As I became old enough to have some pocket money, I set out to try every single fruit that would come through the local grocery stores, and then found out about a big Asian market (T&T) that had all kinds of even more obscure fruit. I always tried it earnestly, and even if I hated it, I'd try it again later or more or less ripe to try to figure out if it was just me, or if the fruit was really just not that good.

Years later, I started traveling around as a professional skateboard racer and ended up spending months at a time in Brazil where I was blown away by pitanga and jaboticaba... Those stuck with me and I always found myself craving them.

I ended up moving to Santa Barbara, CA and figured I should add some fruit trees to my property and went down to the local nursery. Plums, pluots, figs. That was what was available I felt that it was enough, but then I started thinking back on those pitangas... Could I grow them here? Then I was looking up what a hardiness zone was and quickly became obsessed with collecting. It spiralled somewhat out of control as it does with most collectors, and now I'm honing in on what will really work and really deep into it. What I think really keeps me stoked on this is that I've literally never met a bad egg in the fruit collector community. Everyone is so excited, kind, helpful, and overall positive. It's a community I want to be a part of, and like others have mentioned, once you're so deep into collecting and growing things you become attached to them and it's what gets you out of bed in the morning.

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« Reply #45 on: March 16, 2023, 12:22:25 AM »
Love it when these old threads get resurrected.  Similar to others, started off growing salsa ingredients, salad veggies, and stone fruit in the backyard. Then about 10 years ago, discovered different mango varieties and locally grown Cherimoya.  Based entirely on these exotic new flavors, I just had to add these to my yard collection.  I started travelling more for work and pleasure, and discovered the true fruit diversity found in Latin Americas, Southeast Asia, and Hawaii.  Bought property around 7 years ago to expand my acreage, planted what I enjoyed and could easily source, and now I harvest more citrus, avocados, cherimoya, stone fruit, pitaya, passion fruit, guava, and carambola than I can eat.  Soon, mangos will join that status.  Discovered TFF 3-4 years ago and was introduced to the next level of fruit diversity.  Further down the rabbit hole I go. 
Don't get me wrong, I love the occasional mango post and enjoy the hype during the season, but I most look forward to hearing taste reviews and the struggles/successes of growing these recently introduced (and reintroduced) species from Brazil and Latin America, as well as Yangmei from China. 

 

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