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Re: Sugarloaf or Pineapple Pleasure
« Reply #25 on: June 16, 2021, 06:44:03 PM »
Make sure the LZ ST and PPK and Kathyís are mostly yellow before you cut in to eat.
Does Lemon Zest  and Ppk have similar vigor?
If I ever get a chance to try lemon zest I might like it so much that I'll want to graft it to my PPK.
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Re: Sugarloaf or Pineapple Pleasure
« Reply #26 on: June 16, 2021, 07:10:18 PM »
Make sure the LZ ST and PPK and Kathyís are mostly yellow before you cut in to eat.
Does Lemon Zest  and Ppk have similar vigor?
If I ever get a chance to try lemon zest I might like it so much that I'll want to graft it to my PPK.

Vigor from a nursery grown/grafted tree and a topworked graft will differ.

I have seen the vigor on nursery grafted LZs differ from tree to tree.  From medium to very vigorous.
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Re: Sugarloaf or Pineapple Pleasure
« Reply #27 on: June 16, 2021, 08:35:55 PM »
Make sure the LZ ST and PPK and Kathyís are mostly yellow before you cut in to eat.
Does Lemon Zest  and Ppk have similar vigor?
If I ever get a chance to try lemon zest I might like it so much that I'll want to graft it to my PPK.

Vigor from a nursery grown/grafted tree and a topworked graft will differ.

I have seen the vigor on nursery grafted LZs differ from tree to tree.  From medium to very vigorous.


How has the vigor of seedling LZs compared to grafted trees?

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Re: Sugarloaf or Pineapple Pleasure
« Reply #28 on: June 16, 2021, 09:21:56 PM »
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Re: Sugarloaf or Pineapple Pleasure
« Reply #29 on: June 16, 2021, 09:36:55 PM »
Make sure the LZ ST and PPK and Kathyís are mostly yellow before you cut in to eat.
Does Lemon Zest  and Ppk have similar vigor?
If I ever get a chance to try lemon zest I might like it so much that I'll want to graft it to my PPK.

Vigor from a nursery grown/grafted tree and a topworked graft will differ.

I have seen the vigor on nursery grafted LZs differ from tree to tree.  From medium to very vigorous.


How has the vigor of seedling LZs compared to grafted trees?

The only seedling of LZ I am aware of is Yi Xaun.   The Yi Xaun mother tree was not vigorous however my grafted tree is, or now was (it had very weak branches and a powdery mildew magnet).  Step one of the topworking transformation is complete.
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Re: Sugarloaf or Pineapple Pleasure
« Reply #30 on: June 16, 2021, 10:52:37 PM »
How timely is this!
https://youtu.be/4pAt5fw1rPs
The leaves of her Pineapple Pleasure tree are yellow.  Is this normal for the variety, or could the tree have a nutrient deficiency?
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Re: Sugarloaf or Pineapple Pleasure
« Reply #31 on: June 17, 2021, 12:01:38 PM »
Make sure the LZ ST and PPK and Kathyís are mostly yellow before you cut in to eat.
Does Lemon Zest  and Ppk have similar vigor?
If I ever get a chance to try lemon zest I might like it so much that I'll want to graft it to my PPK.

Vigor from a nursery grown/grafted tree and a topworked graft will differ.

I have seen the vigor on nursery grafted LZs differ from tree to tree.  From medium to very vigorous.


How has the vigor of seedling LZs compared to grafted trees?

The only seedling of LZ I am aware of is Yi Xaun.   The Yi Xaun mother tree was not vigorous however my grafted tree is, or now was (it had very weak branches and a powdery mildew magnet).  Step one of the topworking transformation is complete.

Damn Rob,

I was hoping Yi Xuan was less susceptible to PM.

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Re: Sugarloaf or Pineapple Pleasure
« Reply #32 on: June 17, 2021, 12:22:19 PM »
Sugar loaf is the flavor bomb, like pina colada! Some say the tree is a compact grower and flowers pretty good.
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Re: Sugarloaf or Pineapple Pleasure
« Reply #33 on: June 17, 2021, 12:28:04 PM »
Sugar loaf is the flavor bomb, like pina colada! Some say the tree is a compact grower and flowers pretty good.

E4 flowers heavily but for me, pannicles produce mainly male flowers for the last 3 years (was received as a 1 gal in 2015, planted as a 15 gal in 2017).  I know some have had this issue and others have had good luck with production.
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Re: Sugarloaf or Pineapple Pleasure
« Reply #34 on: June 17, 2021, 01:15:20 PM »
E4 in my yard is precocious, productive, and free of BM. Edgar, pickering, and orange sherbet nearby were hit hard by BM.
This is a picture of my E4, planted in ground 3 months ago.
The picture is the 2nd blooms, I cut the 1st one.
The tree is only 2.5 ft, but it was holding 20+ fruitlets. I cut majority of it, but left 2 or 3 just want to see how long the tree can hold them. Eventually I will cut thwm all off.


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Re: Sugarloaf or Pineapple Pleasure
« Reply #35 on: June 17, 2021, 01:24:38 PM »
E4 in my yard is precocious, productive, and free of BM. Edgar, pickering, and orange sherbet nearby were hit hard by BM.
This is a picture of my E4, planted in ground 3 months ago.
The picture is the 2nd blooms, I cut the 1st one.
The tree is only 2.5 ft, but it was holding 20+ fruitlets. I cut majority of it, but left 2 or 3 just want to see how long the tree can hold them. Eventually I will cut thwm all off.


Precocious refers to fruiting and production, not flowering.  How in the world can you say that tree is anything as far as production.  Its the size of a 3 gal and should not be let to hold any fruit...unless you are trying to kill it.

What is BM?
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Re: Sugarloaf or Pineapple Pleasure
« Reply #36 on: June 17, 2021, 02:01:44 PM »
E4 is a nice tree and tastes great, it also has a wide period of great flavor.. Iíve had PP but a majority were just average with a couple being exceptional, like fruit punch which also has a narrow window of being perfect. Sweet tart, thatís another one with a long period of excellent flavor. That said, I grow all of them because they are good mangos.
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Re: Sugarloaf or Pineapple Pleasure
« Reply #37 on: June 17, 2021, 02:13:51 PM »
E4 in my yard is precocious, productive, and free of BM. Edgar, pickering, and orange sherbet nearby were hit hard by BM.
This is a picture of my E4, planted in ground 3 months ago.
The picture is the 2nd blooms, I cut the 1st one.
The tree is only 2.5 ft, but it was holding 20+ fruitlets. I cut majority of it, but left 2 or 3 just want to see how long the tree can hold them. Eventually I will cut thwm all off.


Precocious refers to fruiting and production, not flowering.  How in the world can you say that tree is anything as far as production.  Its the size of a 3 gal and should not be let to hold any fruit...unless you are trying to kill it.

What is BM?
Hi Rob,

I am not an experienced mango snob at all.
Still learning from all the experts here.
I planted 10 grafted mango trees in ground about 3 months ago.
So far so good. Some of them try to hold fruits immudiately, like the E4.
It flowers and held about 20+ fruitlets on February this year. I cut all of the fruits when they reached about pea size. Then it flowers again within a month and has almost 20+ fruitlets again.
Just cut most of those off last week.

Compared to my Kathy, Edgar, Peach Cobbler, Son Pari, Venus, CAC, PPK, Dwarf Hawaiian, and Orange Sherbet, or M4, the E4 was holding the most fruitlets in my yard for me. My area is very hot and dry.
Of course my 2 years experience in growing mango is nothing compared to everyone else here.
When I was in Asia, growing mango was an absurd idea, since we can buy fresh tree ripen mangoes for really cheap everyday.
It is PM, not BM, forgive my typo, i am a bit slow learner in language.


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Re: Sugarloaf or Pineapple Pleasure
« Reply #38 on: June 17, 2021, 03:23:10 PM »
E4 in my yard is precocious, productive, and free of BM. Edgar, pickering, and orange sherbet nearby were hit hard by BM.
This is a picture of my E4, planted in ground 3 months ago.
The picture is the 2nd blooms, I cut the 1st one.
The tree is only 2.5 ft, but it was holding 20+ fruitlets. I cut majority of it, but left 2 or 3 just want to see how long the tree can hold them. Eventually I will cut thwm all off.


Precocious refers to fruiting and production, not flowering.  How in the world can you say that tree is anything as far as production.  Its the size of a 3 gal and should not be let to hold any fruit...unless you are trying to kill it.

What is BM?
Hi Rob,

I am not an experienced mango snob at all.
Still learning from all the experts here.
I planted 10 grafted mango trees in ground about 3 months ago.
So far so good. Some of them try to hold fruits immudiately, like the E4.
It flowers and held about 20+ fruitlets on February this year. I cut all of the fruits when they reached about pea size. Then it flowers again within a month and has almost 20+ fruitlets again.
Just cut most of those off last week.

Compared to my Kathy, Edgar, Peach Cobbler, Son Pari, Venus, CAC, PPK, Dwarf Hawaiian, and Orange Sherbet, or M4, the E4 was holding the most fruitlets in my yard for me. My area is very hot and dry.
Of course my 2 years experience in growing mango is nothing compared to everyone else here.
When I was in Asia, growing mango was an absurd idea, since we can buy fresh tree ripen mangoes for really cheap everyday.
It is PM, not BM, forgive my typo, i am a bit slow learner in language.

Its all good.  You should discuss growing mangoes with some of the Cali forum members, such as Simon.  There are also specific posts on growing mangoes in California which should be helpful.  Growing and care in Florida is very different than same in California.
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Re: Sugarloaf or Pineapple Pleasure
« Reply #39 on: June 17, 2021, 10:21:08 PM »
My E4 also produced mainly male
Flowers. Itís still my favorite mango though so I will pray that itís like Alex Salazar said, something like:

Sugarloaf May produce dominant male
Flowers, however the few female flowers on a E4 tree may set fruit more efficiently.

So there is hope.
My tree is too young to speculate but I had a couple
Fruit I cut off my 3 year old
Tree this year, tree was about 6.5 ft.

Pineapple pleasure is Supposedly a shy producer, but I had hoped more
People had experience growing it for a few years
And could
Share.

Southern cal is no indication for a Miami grower like me but many of our Zill varieties probably do better up there anyway.


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Re: Sugarloaf or Pineapple Pleasure
« Reply #40 on: June 17, 2021, 11:01:55 PM »
Yo homie, nice thread. ;) Looks like i have more scions to source once i get my big girls some hair cuts this year.
Sounds like i need get buying some quality fruit to try before seasons over.

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Re: Sugarloaf or Pineapple Pleasure
« Reply #41 on: June 18, 2021, 06:54:50 PM »
Yo homie, nice thread. ;) Looks like i have more scions to source once i get my big girls some hair cuts this year.
Sounds like i need get buying some quality fruit to try before seasons over.

OR YOU CAN JUST DRIVE TO MY GARAGE!

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Re: Sugarloaf or Pineapple Pleasure
« Reply #42 on: July 02, 2021, 01:58:45 PM »
As evaluating mangoís often goes, my impression of pineapple pleasure has changed.  This year it is easily my #1.  Truly amazing taste that has blown away almost everyone who has had the pleasure of trying it.

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Re: Sugarloaf or Pineapple Pleasure
« Reply #43 on: July 02, 2021, 04:18:19 PM »
And how does M-4 compare to these two?  This year's crop hasn't ripened yet?
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« Reply #44 on: July 02, 2021, 10:33:38 PM »
Sleepdoc, I have to agree. It was just RIDICULOUS this year. Trying to find a tree for my yard to go with my sugarloaf and Iíll have an annual rival taste test.

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« Reply #45 on: July 02, 2021, 11:15:34 PM »
Did anyone notice that Pineapple Pleasure tastes like a giant Pina Colada? Last time I had a Pineapple Pleasure, it was sweet but had a sharp pineapple acidity that was perfectly balanced. It really reminded me of a larger Pina Colada which to me has a strong sweet component as well as a strong tart component. I rarely pick up any coconut in Pina Colada. Pineapple Pleasure is an excellent mango in my opinion!

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« Reply #46 on: July 03, 2021, 05:56:35 PM »
An update on my PP experience so far this season. Since itís my first crop and I only got 5 fruit from 13 PP trees in Miami I screwed up on my timing to cut into the 1st 4 fruit. Itís a bit tricky. They start off 1000% clean then when they start getting ready to pick they get a dirty kind of look in the skin. Not like anthracnose but like a black spotty look and the base color looks like it starts getting a dark yellowish look. So itís been tricky and I blew the first 4. One is still on its tree and I hope I can time it right with my last chance. One thing that screwed my brain was I read on the forum that the thing gets so big that youíre afraid itís gonna fall off and get messed up from the impact so I had that in my mind and I guess I picked the fruit too early.
I have 2 new #1ís to add to my other #1ís. Kathy Iím crazy about and today I had my first Orange Sherbet. I picked it 13 days ago and ate it today and before I ate it I never believed it would ripen and be good but it was so great I have to put it ahead of itís sisters L Zest and L Meringue. From today henceforth I will only graft Orange Sherbet when I graft.

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« Reply #47 on: July 03, 2021, 06:25:07 PM »
Simon,

Glad to hear you liked Pineapple Pleasure. I successfully grafted this scion onto an Ataulfo seedling tree I have in a seven-gallon container. Once the tree gets bigger I will graft it onto several other older Manila trees I have in the ground later this summer. Hopefully, this cultivar will do well in California.  Should have fruit to try out in 2-3 years. 

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« Reply #48 on: July 03, 2021, 07:01:31 PM »
An update on my PP experience so far this season. Since itís my first crop and I only got 5 fruit from 13 PP trees in Miami I screwed up on my timing to cut into the 1st 4 fruit. Itís a bit tricky. They start off 1000% clean then when they start getting ready to pick they get a dirty kind of look in the skin. Not like anthracnose but like a black spotty look and the base color looks like it starts getting a dark yellowish look. So itís been tricky and I blew the first 4. One is still on its tree and I hope I can time it right with my last chance. One thing that screwed my brain was I read on the forum that the thing gets so big that youíre afraid itís gonna fall off and get messed up from the impact so I had that in my mind and I guess I picked the fruit too early.
I have 2 new #1ís to add to my other #1ís. Kathy Iím crazy about and today I had my first Orange Sherbet. I picked it 13 days ago and ate it today and before I ate it I never believed it would ripen and be good but it was so great I have to put it ahead of itís sisters L Zest and L Meringue. From today henceforth I will only graft Orange Sherbet when I graft.
It's music to my ears that you like orange sherbet.
After becoming educated from Alex's website and this forum. The first tree I planted was Pickering the second was sweet tart and the third was orange sherbert. Alex and Dr. Campbell seem very fond of this variety
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Re: Sugarloaf or Pineapple Pleasure
« Reply #49 on: July 03, 2021, 08:50:49 PM »
Simon,

Glad to hear you liked Pineapple Pleasure. I successfully grafted this scion onto an Ataulfo seedling tree I have in a seven-gallon container. Once the tree gets bigger I will graft it onto several other older Manila trees I have in the ground later this summer. Hopefully, this cultivar will do well in California.  Should have fruit to try out in 2-3 years. 

Johnny

Hey Johnny,

So far PP has been very disease resistant fir me even with lots of Powdery Mildew in my yard. I grafted PP onto multiple trees and it set fruit on every tree I grafted it onto. Hereís a picture of a PP graft on a random seedling.

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