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King Lychee
« on: July 02, 2023, 10:43:51 PM »
So I was shopping at 99 Ranch market and found these ď Litchi KingĒ Lychees and they are friggin huge. The larger ones are about 75g and are larger than a chicken egg. Every single fruit is extremely large. These Lychees are from China and they have a sweet, slight subacid flavor. The peel is thick and has a tannin taste if you try to bite through it. There is little to no Lychee/Rose flavor and the flesh has a slight taste that I donít like so much. I rate this Lychee a C+. Oh yeah, the seed is pretty large but there is still a lot of flesh.







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Re: King Lychee
« Reply #1 on: July 02, 2023, 11:45:21 PM »
erdon lee lychee they call king

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Re: King Lychee
« Reply #2 on: July 03, 2023, 12:45:04 AM »
Starting seedlings?

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Re: King Lychee
« Reply #3 on: July 03, 2023, 02:53:34 AM »
That is erdon lee alright and they can get even bigger. Fay zee siu larger selections can get well over 50g. Erdon lee are routinely over 60g and max out at over 100g in the biggest specimens. They are a smaller tree than most regular lychees and an alternative name is dragon egg. King would be an unfortunate name as it would cause confusion.

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Re: King Lychee
« Reply #4 on: July 03, 2023, 09:20:19 AM »
Thanks Shot and Mike T! I was thinking they looked like Erdon Lee but the box said Litchi King.

Seanny, Iím not going to try to plant the seed because it was from China so probably irradiated but even if it wasnít, I didnít like the flavor so much. My daughters love Lychees but they only ate a couple and stopped. Yes theyíre huge but Iím a fan of quality over quantity.

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Re: King Lychee
« Reply #5 on: July 03, 2023, 10:54:31 AM »
I don't think you can rate quality to quick on Erdon.MikeT has had fresh Erdon and he seemed to like it ,ask him.God knows what kind of treatment they have been through on their journey.

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Re: King Lychee
« Reply #6 on: July 03, 2023, 07:13:47 PM »
This may be a long shot, but the lychee we grow in Florida as Emperor is the Thai variety Chakrapad (Chakrapad being the English transliteration of the Thai word for Emperor). My guess is that Thai to Chinese to English came out as "King." In any case, the genetic study that I read from South Africa, Erdon Lee, Chakrapad (Emperor), and the Chinese variety Goose Egg were all distinct but clustered very closely (kind of like the various strains of Mauritius or Tai So).

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Re: King Lychee
« Reply #7 on: July 03, 2023, 07:45:47 PM »
Iíve web searched lychee king awhile back. If I remember correct they are special because of the arid volcanic soils they grow in on north Hainan island, suppose to concentrate a certain mineral the Chinese find healthy.


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Re: King Lychee
« Reply #8 on: July 03, 2023, 07:54:02 PM »
In other giant lychee news thereís a grower in South Africa, Neo Fresh, that appear to be working with Erdon Lee genetics to produce their own cultivars Neo-mungous and Neo-licious.

Check out the video here:
https://neofresh.net/our-farms/litchi-production/


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Re: King Lychee
« Reply #9 on: July 03, 2023, 08:02:13 PM »
This may be a long shot, but the lychee we grow in Florida as Emperor is the Thai variety Chakrapad (Chakrapad being the English transliteration of the Thai word for Emperor). My guess is that Thai to Chinese to English came out as "King." In any case, the genetic study that I read from South Africa, Erdon Lee, Chakrapad (Emperor), and the Chinese variety Goose Egg were all distinct but clustered very closely (kind of like the various strains of Mauritius or Tai So).


That's been my thinking

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Re: King Lychee
« Reply #10 on: July 04, 2023, 01:17:12 AM »
Good point John! It would be great to taste this variety straight from the tree.

These fruit are impressive for their size but Iím even more interested in the new varieties from this video:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=1Xbpg0hlsIE

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Re: King Lychee
« Reply #11 on: July 04, 2023, 01:33:22 AM »
I believe I encountered some Erdon Lee when I was up in Vancouver. Real big. The flavor was not unbelievable, but it was good eating, almost overwhelming sized. The seeds were also large... And are sprouting.  8)




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Re: King Lychee
« Reply #12 on: July 04, 2023, 08:19:10 AM »
They are good quality fruit but less crisp than some.They might be stored too long or picked too early if not so good.

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Re: King Lychee
« Reply #13 on: July 04, 2023, 09:32:40 AM »
I can't wait for the larger improved cultivars to hit the US. I have not seen large litchies in my area.

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Re: King Lychee
« Reply #14 on: July 04, 2023, 09:33:57 AM »
Thanks Shot and Mike T! I was thinking they looked like Erdon Lee but the box said Litchi King.

Seanny, Iím not going to try to plant the seed because it was from China so probably irradiated but even if it wasnít, I didnít like the flavor so much. My daughters love Lychees but they only ate a couple and stopped. Yes theyíre huge but Iím a fan of quality over quantity.

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What makes you think they are iradiated? Put it in the ground and give it a try.

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Re: King Lychee
« Reply #15 on: July 04, 2023, 09:50:35 AM »
Thank you Simon for video link,fantastic.

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Re: King Lychee
« Reply #16 on: July 04, 2023, 03:06:09 PM »
Anytime John!

I ate another box of the King/Erdon Lee and compared them with some Kaimana fruit and I definitely prefer the Kaimana over the Erdon Lee. Some of the Erdon Lees were a bit sweeter but some had a slight medicinal or herby taste that me and my family donít like much. The Erdon Lee fruit have a Brix of 12.9- 16 % Brix

Kaimana was definitely much sweeter with a Brix of 19- 23% and a high flesh to seed ratio. Kaimana is also weak in terms of Lychee/Rose scent and flavor but it doesnít have the medicinal taste that some Lychees have. Kaimana also has a nice honey background if picked properly.

Hereís a few pictures of the King/Erdon Lee next to Kaimana









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Re: King Lychee
« Reply #17 on: July 04, 2023, 03:23:03 PM »
Simon, how would you rate the taste of Sweetheart to Kaimana?

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Re: King Lychee
« Reply #18 on: July 04, 2023, 04:37:40 PM »
Hey Kaz,

I rate SweetHeart about 7.5 out of 10 and I rate Kaimana 8.0 out of 10. They are both on par with each other but Sweetheart can sometimes get that medicinal/tannin taste. I have been to China and Hong Kong during Lychee season on multiple occasions so Iíve had really good Lychees picked right off the tree so Iím a tough critic when it comes to Lychees.

In case anyone is wondering, No Mai Tsze is my favorite tasting Lychee but I have not tasted those newer varieties in the video I posted above. No Mai Tsze is a terrible grower and also is one of the most reluctant producers in China. It often skips a few years before fruiting again.

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Re: King Lychee
« Reply #19 on: July 04, 2023, 04:54:28 PM »
Kaimana is very good when I sell it to the vietnamese I call it Chom Chom "Rambutan" lychee and it does make me think of the best rambutan i ever had !They go nuts over it.No Mai Tsze is the king for me beyond good!!

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Re: King Lychee
« Reply #20 on: July 04, 2023, 05:35:33 PM »
Iím hooked!

Where to buy No Mai Tsze tree?

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Re: King Lychee
« Reply #21 on: July 04, 2023, 05:37:41 PM »
Those king and Erdon Lee pics look under ripe and or long storage.

The Erdon Lee I had Australia were delicious but lacked a distinct flavor. On taste alone not many would call them a favorite but they have that wow factor and a lot of juicy flesh to eat despite the large seed. Also they opened dry for me which I appreciate.

As an aside the Australian Kwai May Pinks were fantastic, distinct cinnamon flavor.

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Re: King Lychee
« Reply #22 on: July 04, 2023, 05:56:53 PM »
Ok, thanks Simon, will need to buy another Kaimana tree, my other one died in 6 months from online.

I hope my NMZ grafted branch grows more. The one I grafted on longan just died this year so only one branch I have is on my Brewster lychee tree.

I did go buy some of those giant King Lychee, they sure are large. I'll post some photos of the big ones later. Hope they taste ok, if not, I'll just grow out the seeds. I have a few Erdon Lee seeds growing.

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Re: King Lychee
« Reply #23 on: July 05, 2023, 09:04:41 PM »
Seanny, you can buy the NMT from Fruit4me on sale now, only one plant.

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Re: King Lychee
« Reply #24 on: July 06, 2023, 02:27:34 AM »
Max and I have been communicating.
Told him I might be dead before I eat any fruits from that tree.

A tree that fruit in 4 years is good.



 

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