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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Eugenia Patrissi
« on: September 03, 2024, 07:24:25 PM »
I've heard the true patrisii has somewhat bullate leaves like Eugenia stipitata.

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Salacifolia is so tough that I'm doubting it's any good. Anything that grows this easily... I'll report back on frost resistance, but I doubt they'll be damaged. I had mine covered down to high twenties last winter in pots. Also it got split out of Pouteria. Labatia salacifolia now.

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I guess what I am asking is what is the practical difference between the grafted and non-grafted plants you are selling?
Most pitangatubas are sour. Kevin is selling a sweet selection.

Really? All the ones I have grown from seed are pretty sweet. I wonder if their flavor is dependent on climate.
Plenty of people don't even believe sweet ones exist. I've gotten one sweet one, and around five sour ones from seed, though one of those did recently start to improve. But the sweet one was planted in-ground, so maybe growing conditions are responsible.

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I guess what I am asking is what is the practical difference between the grafted and non-grafted plants you are selling?
Most pitangatubas are sour. Kevin is selling a sweet selection.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Anyone growing out Mouriri?
« on: August 20, 2024, 11:58:26 AM »
hmm i thought they were like Artocarpus size, maybe I should revisit

I think it was a combo of overwatering and planting the seedlings upside down (they were sprouted in the bag, hard to tell what was root and what was shoot)
There's an Artocarpus-like genus with a similar name from Central America. Maybe you're thinking of that. Tradewinds sold it, had this neat looking brown lumpy annona-like fruit.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Lucuma yellowing leaves
« on: August 14, 2024, 07:47:49 PM »
Well he probably knows best. I'd recommend something soil-based if possible. Ideally just in the ground. I have mine in a mix of peat and soil, and a bit of sand and gravel. For a while I worried since it would feel so heavy, like it was waterlogged, but cutting back on watering made them less happy, IIRC. This was a few years ago. Not sure if it's ideal, but the leaves look so different. Maybe it's a soft one and mine is firm or something. I keep thinking yours might be a feijoa.


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Garnet graft on far right (on the right trunk of the closest plant)


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https://www.tractorsupply.com/tsc/product/countyline-quick-set-catch-release-live-animal-traps-2-pack

Yes they have to step on the plate, but I've watched a couple walk into the big ones, and they don't seem particularly cautious. Idk. Of course it's still not catching many, but it's not like the A18 where they inch toward it then back up, come at it from all the sides looking for a safe way in. But the only times they've gone in they've been looking for the best roots to dig up and eat, wandered over and found their way blocked by the trap, then move around it until they find a way in. And only the big traps. If anything I think bait makes them avoid the traps. Even just walnuts. I read in the Squirrelinator reviews that rats are hesitant to enter, so I'm afraid it'd be another bust. I think I'll wait and see. I also don't like leaving live capture traps open when I'm away from home or asleep. Seems too cruel. I do appreciate the recommendations.

Turns out the store didn't have hazelnut butter other than nutella stuff, but I got some ice cream with hazelnut chunks and hazelnut butter swirls, ate around those, and put the butter and chunks in the A18. I hope it works! It definitely smells amazing. I think the hazelnut butter was sweetened though, unfortunately.

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Thanks for the tips. I put an avocado each in two big cage traps this morning. So far the squirrels have been passing them by. 

I will go get some hazelnut butter soon. They did eat the peanut butter I smeared on the tree under the trap, but were very reluctant to go up in. They didn't LOVE peanut butter like Google results said they would, sometimes passed it by all day until something else ate it at night. It'd be really nice if I could get the A18 working well. I hope it'll be good for quickly taking out newcomers once I finish off the current bunch. I think I'm getting close. 3 left at least.

Gnappi, I'm amazed you were able to teach squirrels anything. I'm convinced they just won't learn. Even standing up in the tree watching me kill one of their buddies, they still think it's a good idea to come down into my yard. I wish I could shoot them up in the trees, but I don't want to shoot without a backstop. 

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: wild fruit ID
« on: August 09, 2024, 11:55:20 AM »
Gopher apple

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Wow. I've tried baiting my cage traps with peanut butter, chocolate chips, almonds, walnuts, cashews, raw fallen walnuts, tomatoes, sweet peppers, even strawberry candy. The only thing that's worked so far is putting them right over the roots of the plants they're chewing up. Are yours ground squirrels though, or fox squirrels? Do you think the squirrelinator would work better?

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Lucuma yellowing leaves
« on: August 09, 2024, 12:20:03 AM »
Looks like a weird potting mix. My lucuma love water. I don't think they'd enjoy being in a wood-chip-based mix.

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I bought an A18 after reading about them here. I would not recommend them. Spent $250 for a trap plus the metal cover so squirrels don't just chew through it, and caught one squirrel before they somehow all learned to avoid it. Cage traps have caught two in less than half the time. The A18 is nice because you don't have to finish them off, but I worry it's hitting other animals. Two night activations with no sign of what it was. The real solution has been a pellet rifle. The cheapest one from Walmart, which is enough to kill them if you aim right. A .22 would be better though.

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Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Re: Homey Cream Pineapple
« on: August 03, 2024, 07:55:23 PM »
Not sure about soilless plants, but I was allowed to bring fruit & tops through the airport, with inspection, so I would expect it to be similar, or worst case cut off the roots. I brought home a carry-on full of the Kauai sugarloafs (fruits) a couple years ago, plus the tops I had twisted off the ones we'd eaten over there, and the airport Ag inspector totally understood why someone would do that :P  Only took him a couple minutes to go over them.

Plus coconuts and durians are the only fruits I can think of you can take out of the state with inspection.  Otherwise only plants and seeds with inspection.  No fruits
I asked the APHIS guys at the Honolulu airport if I would've been allowed to bring fruit or seeds in carry-on if they inspected them. They gave me a weird answer about there's only two fruits you can take, pineapple and something else. But then I asked, so I can bring pineapples on the plane? And they said no. At least that's how I remember it. Maybe I'm remembering wrong, but I think there may be some special rule for pineapples.

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I tried one. Thought it tasted like a normal pineapple.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Best "Groundcovers" for Pots-
« on: July 30, 2024, 05:26:00 PM »
Viola adunca for me.

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Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Figs & others for pickup East Bay
« on: July 20, 2024, 07:24:32 PM »
Selling some excess plants for pickup in East Bay Area, CA. Will deliver anywhere in the lower 48 at $0.67/mile round trip.

Tissue culture figs from Wellspring several years ago, in 2g pots. Root bound and neglected, but they're figs, so they're fine. $20 each. 4+ $15 each. These are currently $18-23 for a tiny one from Wellspring:

LSU purple x2
Black mission
Lattarula
Ischia x2
Magnolia
Kadota
Little ruby
Ge neri x2
Beers black
Lost label (half price)

Celeste from cutting, not TC. Has been fruiting. Leaves show FMV
Thai Dwarf mulberry from cutting



7.5g fabric pot fruiting figs from DWN. Fruiting for several years, fruit on them now. I just have figs I like more, decided not to plant these. I think I actually paid $40 each for these five years ago. $50 each:

Vdb 7.5g 
Janice 7.5g - Interesting rummy (?) flavor, pretty distinct from other figs I've tried.

7.5g fabric pots from tissue culture. Vigorous but not very fruitful for me. DK had one breba this year. $40 each:

Desert King
Yellow Long Neck

7.5g fabric pot seedling? white mulberry. Small fruit that turn slightly purple then brown, tastes like very sweet honeydew when fully ripe. Probably not enough yield to be worth growing for the fruit though. Strong apical dominance. The trunk and roots have a carrot-colored tinge. Probably a good rootstock, I'm just afraid it'll get huge. $30





Extra rootstocks $5 each, from Fruitwood this spring. Been sitting in pure peat for a few months, but they seem fine. I have around 5-8 of each. Sold bare root:

Apples bud 118
Colossal seedling Chestnut
Plum Myroblan
Pyrus OHF 97 Pear



Cacti:

Pachycereus hollandianus? 5g When buying pitaya, the nurseryman recommended this for the fruit. He didn't know the name, not positive on the ID. P. hollandianus isn't said to have particularly good fruit, so I dunno. VERY spiny! $40

Peruvian apple cactus, 5g has been gnawed on by squirrels. $30

Lophocereus schotii monstrose 1g rootbound $30

Trichocereus cuzcoensis 5g QTY 2 Good plant for home defense, or rootstocks. $30


Pereskia grandiflora 1g $10, or free with purchase

Eugenia myrcianthes, I think from a garlicy parent tree x2 $30 each


Bocking 14 comfrey. Have two 7.5g fabric pots packed with these, not divided for many years. Great if you want to propagate these. Though fair warning they're said to be impossible to get rid of, which is why I never planted these out. They can't produce seed though. $30 each.


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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Grafting Sabara vs. Other Jabos
« on: July 20, 2024, 05:58:21 PM »
Mike, did you hear the news about the plinia genus being broken up?
Plinia sp caipirinha was recently named Guapurium caipirinha
Also some species are moving to myrciariopsis.
Plinia will still exist, but many plants will move genus names.


I was wondering about this and how it would affect grafting plinias. I heard Plinia rivularis is staying in the
plinia genus. Does this mean it's impossible to graft rivularis to Sabara, or what I assume is going to be
Guapurium jaboticaba? Has anyone successfully done this? I can't imagine Plinia edulis is going to stay in
the same genus as Sabara, but there have been successful grafts of these two plants, although I hear they
can have issues surviving long term.

12Zodiac, yes those are flowers. Congrats!
IIRC rivularis is compatible with edulis, which is compatible with sabara. But rivularis was already considered part of some other genus, not Plinia, last I checked. Something starting with an N or M. Inflata is compatible with sabara too I believe Bellamy showed.

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We don't need all cattle or no cattle. Those are extremes.
Does Antarctica need cattle? Does the Amazon? Do they need to cover every inch of this planet? Why is not wanting non-native herbivores an extreme position?

Humans and their livestock represent 96% of all mammals on earth in terms of biomass, whereas all wild mammals represent only 4% https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/17/Distribution-of-earths-mammals.png

Nate, that is a pretty neat chart. Thank you for sharing! I also enjoyed the sample budget for a cow calf operation that Kevin shared. I do want to make sure that I am respectful of you and your position. So, thank you also for stating how you feel about my comments. I don't think Antartica needs any more cows at this time.  ;D

Thank you, I appreciate the kind words. I'd avoided this thread for a couple days, but pleasantly surprised to see your response. And thank you Jake for not letting the 10% spoil it for the rest.

Kevin, wells aren't exactly finite. There are different groundwater basins with different recharge and discharge rates. Some of them are in good condition, others are being depleted. I think with proper management they could be fine long-term.

One thing that's bizarre to me is while cows are difficult to transport for final sale, nuts and alfalfa can easily be shipped from abroad. How much of the problem is trade protectionism?

Let's fill the state with tule elk and pronghorn :)

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We don't need all cattle or no cattle. Those are extremes.
Does Antarctica need cattle? Does the Amazon? Do they need to cover every inch of this planet? Why is not wanting non-native herbivores an extreme position?

Humans and their livestock represent 96% of all mammals on earth in terms of biomass, whereas all wild mammals represent only 4% https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/17/Distribution-of-earths-mammals.png

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And the cows they do let graze in the park lands cause a ton of erosion. But those are relatively few, and not what plebs like you or I are eating. They say they need them to keep down the grasses, but the grasses are invasives brought here to feed the cows, since livestock destroyed the vast majority of the native ones. What we really need is to do prescribed burns, but nobody wants those anywhere near their homes, and people are allowed to live in super remote areas.

Also, what we need is the dams to be removed from the Sierra foothills, so that sediment can once again flow to the central valley. It used to be a giant floodplain, which is why it became so fertile. Now large parts of it have had their water allotments cut, and become barren for miles, I believe with very high salinity. Desertification. Most new dam projects are off-line, like Los Vaqueros and Sites (future). I think they realized about 50 years ago that damming up every river in the mountains is not the way to go. Now things will just get worse until a major change is finally made.

More on-topic, Sacramento area has very cheap water. Under $1/unit in some suburbs of it. And in the bay area, there's land in Brentwood that's on an irrigation district fed by San Joaquin River water from a few miles away. Extremely cheap water, like 5 cents per unit IIRC.

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Have you even been to California? What policies are you talking about? You know how most of the cattle are raised out here? You think they're out grazing in pastures? Not to mention the water used to produce fodder for all those cows... 

We need more cattle not less.  Government policies are moving to more crop growing and less cattle when it has been proven to lead to more water usage and desertification:

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Livestock are not part of the solution but vital to reversing desertification. Let me explain. Desertification is the end result of the available rainfall becoming increasingly less effective. It is occurring to varying degrees in vast regions of the world where atmospheric humidity is erratic due to rainfall that is seasonal in nature. Throughout history people have associated desertification with overgrazing by too many livestock. This deep belief has assumed scientific validity and I too fell into that trap and published papers that today are embarrassing to me.

https://ourworld.unu.edu/en/reversing-desertification-with-livestock

Pretty interesting article from Allan Savory how not actively putting livestock on the land is causing more water to be used and desertificatoin:

https://blog.ted.com/fighting-the-growing-deserts-with-livestock-allan-savory-at-ted2013/

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Thanks Kevin, I'll be on the lookout.

Extremely doubtful on grafting to uniflora. Even closely-related Eugenia species don't graft well.

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