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They grow like weeds on the central coast. I cut all mine down because the fruit was not good for me but I am sure other people like it.
I'll see if I can check the street tree's around soon.


   5 or 10  I don' know are it easy to germinate? I just want to have a seedling for my self to try and grow it, I read that Capulin cherries don't do well
    in California, I paid a reasonable amount.
   
     Thanks Bush2Beach.

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Citrus General Discussion / Re: how true-to-seed is true-to-seed?
« on: June 05, 2023, 02:16:30 AM »

You can order Citrus tree's from Four Winds , they're located in the SF Bay Area so would probably arrive in a day or 2





Kind of off-topic, but this thread is going off-topic anyway.. and there are a lot of experienced people here..

What chances do you all think that days-old cuttings might possibly root? I just got back from a nonprofit that has a very sentimental and very cold hardy lemon. Someone hacked at it severely on Saturday and the staff spent some time convincing me to try and root the 4 days-old branches that were left on the ground. It was hot today.. I promised them I'd try but I'm not at all optimistic about it. The tree is hard to root cuttings from anyway, I've done it before. I'm soaking the branches half submerged in a barrel right now and will re-cut them smaller tomorrow then put in liquid rooting hormone to soak it up for another full day. I have been able to root some older wood on this tree before - it just took 8 months. EDIT - but it was fresh..  & no, I don't have any rootstock and I doubt very much I could find any for 150 miles and then I'm going into a potential quarantine area.

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This info is buried in the forum somewhere. Adam sent me guaquiea and strigipes scions to graft onto Glazioviana, I believe because that had worked for him. My grafts failed.
I doubt Rumberry will not suffer from delayed incompatibility onto Sabara, but time will tell.
Seedlings don't pop up for sale here that often , though it is not that rare.
I had bad germination rates and no luck digging up suckers from the 100's of seedlings under a giant Rumberry planted in the 1930's!

While Adam was spewing a lot of nonsense, filming himself harassing his USPS delivery driver and showing off the Adam's apples of his dates ,
 I would like to say a lot of people really like raising chickens and going skateboarding. I don't think either of those hobbies are well described as nonsense .




I grafted a few onto sabara and they all took for now.

Based on what I've heard of Adam Shafran's experience, grafting Myrciarias onto Sabara rootstock is hit-or-miss depending on the species. But, if you have the rootstock and the scions, it never hurts to experiment. Without some growers experimenting and succeeding (or failing), we would all have a lot less knowledge of what can and cannot be grown. Here's to your experiment being a success.
W,
what myrciarias did Adam mention? I don't recall him mentioning them before.
I heard of someone trying glazioviana to edulis, but it didn't work out. I mean plinia and myrciaria is vastly different, but the rumberry looked just like a plinia leading me to try to graft it.

I seem to remember him talking about grafting difficulties with guaquiea and strigipes. He had tried grafting them on a few different things, and they did not take on everything. I think glazioviana might have been mentioned as having the same characteristic, as well. I'm not 100% positive about that, though. This information came from one of his live streams from a couple of years ago, and I could be recalling things incorrectly. I went through a period during that time where I was watching a lot of his live streams. At least 95% of those streams were completely useless, inane drivel about chickens and skateboarding and other nonsense. But, that 5% of the stream where he actually talked about growing Plinias and other plants was an absolute gold mine of information and made up for the rest of the nonsense. I wish I had taken some notes or made some clips from those live streams. They're still on YouTube, but there's probably a thousand of them; way too many to comb through to get that 5% of expert Plinia knowledge.

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Season is now and coming soon. How many seeds do you want?

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: cultivars, nobody knows
« on: June 04, 2023, 02:01:03 PM »
This is certainly a pet peeve . Particularly in California, where it is I believe not legal or at least uncouth to sell produce at a farmers market stand not grown by the that Farm.
I can't say it has gotten better over the years , but some booths are excellent and some are not. Find your favorites and go from there. Murray family farms is the gold standard I have seen in CA .
Kashiwase and Frog Hollow stand out to me for 10+ varieties of named stone fruits in season. Many places you ask what kind of Peach or Nectarine they say "White". I would not make a good poker player as the look of disdain is surely noticeable, (suck teeth)..
Brokaw is always good with their named Avocado varieties but I learned they spray poison so that sucks.
Hawaii you almost don't bother , they look at you like your crazy , I look at them like they are crazy. There are some farmers that rep only what they grow, but that is the minority and doesn't exist at all at the 2 biggest markets .
One major issue is  there is a ton of stolen produce sold by thieves or middlemen without any regulation or inspection,  the farmers market booths have no idea and all have the same standard response when asked what cultivar "very sweet" .( incredibly annoying for Durian in particular) 2. You can see the Costco boxes of Mango, Pineapple and somehow even Banana sometimes sitting behind the booth, no shame or even idea of why that's wrong. They are just hustling hard .
I will always gravitate towards a farmer selling their goods they grew at market . These are my hero's and folks I can usually relate to well.

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Yeah not a big deal. Sell your plants man.
You had some good offerings posted.

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Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Re: SoCal pickup only plant sale
« on: June 03, 2023, 03:03:27 PM »
Nice. A good friend indeed.

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Highly doubt it. Imbe,  Lucís and Aichacharu seemed to have the best shot.
I had a 25 gallon Madrono for 4 years in the greenhouse but it needed to move to SD to really have a chance.

All the garciniaís have been tried in da Bay and itís a no go. Some people holding out hope for Aichacharu but it ainít happening. Maybe try some Feijoa and eat the flowers, they have a nice floral taste.
 
TGIF yíall.  :)
Wondering what garcinia tastes most like purple mangosteen that grows in 9b. I love the floral flavor.

someone tried garcinia sp pacuri?

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Great post W.
I was joyful to read that the fruits from this Arboretum feed the local school children.
The amount of locked off USDA stations and arboretumís that would honestly prefer for the fruit to drop and rot than you pick it and eat it  ( in some cases you are not allowed to pick up grounders!), or have it go to feed people who need food is ÖÖ.

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All the garciniaís have been tried in da Bay and itís a no go. Some people holding out hope for Aichacharu but it ainít happening. Maybe try some Feijoa and eat the flowers, they have a nice floral taste.
 
TGIF yíall.  :)
Wondering what garcinia tastes most like purple mangosteen that grows in 9b. I love the floral flavor.

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Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Re: SoCal pickup only plant sale
« on: June 03, 2023, 03:24:58 AM »
Is fancy pants not on tff or deep in the bush with no service?
Strange to not see self promotion from this prolific social media fruit personality.

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You can be quite sure whatís going on with these people by reading 3+ years of people posting they are getting ripped off.
Did you google search loquat scion and akme showed up?

If all the fraudulent sales are funneled through a website, who do you contact to shut down the site , since it is a scam?



Same. Made payment over three months ago and haven't received a single response from AKME. I opened a dispute with my bank against the payee, Kristina Dias, and am looking into small claims court in Baldwin County, AL.  Not sure what's going on with these people but they shouldn't be taking payment if they can't deliver merchandise.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Mango allergies - home remedies?
« on: June 02, 2023, 10:47:33 PM »
Crafton Clift made a handout about the common Plantain weed being the cure.

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Citrus General Discussion / Re: Rooptmaker new 15 gl pot
« on: June 02, 2023, 03:58:24 PM »
How are the rootmaker pots different from the rootmaker roll where you can make them whatever size you want?

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How can this statement be true? The largest collection of Citrus fruit tree's in the world are at an Arboretum on Ua Huka Island , Population 674 , in  the Marquesas Islands? Hmmmmm


https://tahititourisme.pf/en-pf/islands-and-archipelagos/marquesas-islands/ua-huka/

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That has been the shituation for years. It doesnít matter obviously. You still ordered a few months ago, along with plenty of other people, and around and around we go. 

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Racism is horrible.
Who would want to be judged based on what color their skin is.
attempting to somehow connect racism and climate change is a steaming pile.
 
I have lived in a beach town ringed by a mountain range for 40+ years and have been paying keen attention to the weather .
I draw my own conclusions based on my experience.

Parroting the news media is stupid. I don't play for the red or blue team.







 

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you can't expect critical thinking in a mixed bag of nuts.
You can expect someone to take a dump in the middle of the room , and defend it and clean it like it's their favorite piece of furniture.
It's really sad got see people indoctrinated to bullshit whether it's a cult of politics, religion, or the tell lies vision.
People are  Manipulated by media and politicians , brain drained from TV and exhausted from diet.
So go outside and plant seeds in the earth or enjoy nature, help do something you think would take care of the earth and make it nicer for the next generation.



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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Big problem with bees
« on: May 26, 2023, 01:00:32 PM »
I see where your going , and yah, but taking a devils advocate position on honeybees right now? C'mon.
No native fruit tree's require them?  really great argument. what percentage of your fruit plants are native?
Bumblebee's ......fuck it this is a ludicrous reasoning to engage. good luck killing all the bee's for no reason.

There is just a lot of great reasons to have them around , and zero reasons to kill them that are rational.
The world is full of senseless killing. Let's just make friends with the bee's and not search for a dumb reason to exterminate something else that doesn't fit a narrow scope of understanding.


To bee clear. Killing a hive of honeybee's , at this point, as a fruit farmer, is asinine.

Is there any other move that can show you are completely out of touch with what is happening with the main food crop pollinators in 2023?
Fuuuuuuccccckkkkkk!

It kind of depends on what you grow. Honeybees are not native to North America; no native fruit species requires honeybees for pollination. A fair number use honeybees commercially, but if they need bees at all, bumbles and ground bees can handle it.

This includes rue, interestingly. Zanthoxylum is native to North America.

Pawpaws are beetle-and-fly pollinated, I think.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Coastal Location
« on: May 26, 2023, 12:49:16 PM »
sounds like the golden zone to grow so much.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Big problem with bees
« on: May 24, 2023, 01:41:45 PM »
To bee clear. Killing a hive of honeybee's , at this point, as a fruit farmer, is asinine.

Is there any other move that can show you are completely out of touch with what is happening with the main food crop pollinators in 2023?
Fuuuuuuccccckkkkkk!

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Big problem with bees
« on: May 24, 2023, 01:36:54 PM »
You called the exterminator instead of the local bee keepers?
There is always a bee keeper very excited to come collect the swarm to a new hive. That is free honey/money in the bank, for some easy work.


Hive removals are definitely not free.  I had a small hive on the side of my house a few years ago.  Quotes to have it removed were between $300-$500.

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Tim Thompson in Ventura county.

Ughhck. 7 headz. Yeah. When you know theyíre not grafted and it doesnít matter..
I canít go there though, thatís another chapter as well.

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I know a couple people growing it but none fruiting. and your right , I would not reveal that info.

What I was trying tip toe around is: What are you gonna do with Wani in SLO but kill it and kiss your $ good bye ? I overstand that people do that day in and day out, it's their right, but rare seeds and seedlings that come around never should go to safe places first I believe. It's theoretical anyhow though, never seen a seedling for sale here or anywhere.  If a seedling did somehow come up for sale , it needs to go to somewhere where it can live and maybe fruit. Not sold to the highest or first bidder.
I have had people trying to convince me to grow Mango's in central CA for a long time, since the "Mango Professor" cold hardy mango debacle that I poo poo'd all along the way and turned out to be a total fraud ( he was sued by some CRFG chapters).  Steve in los osos had a manila fruiting in a high tunnel but ya know, not really.
North of Pt. conception along the coast is not warm enough, go inland and it's too cold. SF East Bay and some Delta area's are marginal because the large bodies of water and asphalt mitigate the cold and they are inland enough the fog doesn't swamp their growing season. I love Mango's.

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