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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Central Valley, ca thread
« on: May 05, 2020, 08:04:54 PM »
I'm at 2200' and several miles inland above Santa Barbara.
That sounds like a neat location. On the coast side or inland side? Any pictures?

I'm in the Bay Area, but past the hills, so not as mild as Fremont/San Jose where a lot of the Bay Area members are. After two winters in the ground, my pitangatuba takes a little bit of damage to the leaves, red jabo and grimal a bit more. I bought two seedling pitangatubas from Florida, and one of the two died from the frost. I think it could have been avoided had I been gentler with it. I have some dragonfruit that get through the winter with some minor damage, but I've only ever gotten a couple fruit out of them. I thought it was because I had them sprawling on the ground rather than dangling from a trellis, but they have been on a trellis for a year or two now and they aren't doing much. Eugenia candolleana, Muntingia calabura, and one of my two original pitangatubas died from the frost. I had five star fruit about 9 months old from seed going into last winter, but they slowly wasted away, I think just from prolonged cold weather. I had one Eugenia uniflora split the bark above the graft union, I think due to a freeze of about 27, which then killed the scion but not the rootstock. The regrown plant took the cold with minimal damage even to the leaves this winter, and ones that I grew from seed sown last spring took no damage to the leaves. Eugenia myrcianthes, Eugenia involucrata, Eugenia calycina took no damage. I have found the plants I grow from seed here are tougher than live plants bought from Florida. Some of my pitangatubas turn completely purple in the cold, while some stay green.

I'm trying to avoid things that I'll lose in a 10-year freeze, or that need to be covered in the winter, and have stayed away from cherimoyas and avocados for that reason, but I think I should give them a try eventually.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Pitangatuba part 2
« on: May 05, 2020, 07:01:53 PM »
I think it may be more than just the broken taproot. What soil mix are you using? I have mine outside in Northern California, the low humidity doesn't seem to be an issue for pitangatuba. The grow light may be the issue, I have no experience with those. I'd hold off on fertilizing until the plant is stable. Too much fertilizer and it won't be able to take up water. Not sure if this one's a goner, but adding a plastic bag over the pot for humidity can help after a rough transplant. Also shade. Pitangatubas are monoecious, so I guess April is a "they"?

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How does your number of varieties keep increasing? Do you have trees of all of these, but didn't offer them all at first?

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Best tasting fig for SoCal?
« on: April 27, 2020, 05:22:03 PM »
Somewhat new to figs too. I think it's strange how these discussions typically ignore the commonly-available figs, basically just ranking the super expensive ones. I doubt Black Madeira is much better than Chicago Hardy for example, but I haven't tasted either. I think marketing has a lot to do with it.

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Temperate Fruit Discussion / Re: Asiminaholics Anonymous
« on: April 27, 2020, 11:50:58 AM »
Very cool, Nate - what variety is that or is it a seedling?

Thank you. It's a Potomac. I bought the six (at the time) Peterson varieties from OGW, but of the seven trees I was sent, three have died. They came in pretty poor condition two years ago; I think I'd have fruit faster if I'd started from seed.




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Temperate Fruit Discussion / Re: Asiminaholics Anonymous
« on: April 27, 2020, 01:06:00 AM »
I found my first fruitlets today! I have been procrastinating hand pollinating, glad to see I don't need to. I saw what might have been fungus gnats flying around near the flowers.

That tree looks very healthy Luis! I hope mine look like that one day.





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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Please Id this Eugenia?
« on: April 26, 2020, 11:19:54 AM »
They both look like COTRG to me. It's a variable species.

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Thanks Berto. They looked to be germinating when they arrived.




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Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Re: azeda jaboticaba
« on: April 21, 2020, 11:50:32 PM »
The Azeda are starting to germinate!


Mine too!



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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Annona sp & link to parkinsons
« on: April 19, 2020, 11:57:14 AM »

Yes, of course these drugs all have multiple side effects as they damage different types of cells that carry out different biological functions...

 I stand by my statement that something cannot damage a cell AND regenerate a cell at the same time, it is just common sense. Neurotoxin and anticarcinogen would be an oxymoron

most anti-cancer medications don't 'regenerate' cells, especially cancer cells that have mutated and lost their cellular regulatory functions.  most anti-cancer medications are intended to kill off (not regenerate) cancer cells, and the majority also kill off or damage healthy cells in process
Well you hit the nail on the head here... No anti-cancer medication, or medication in general can regenerate cells as that is not the purpose, nor do they have the chemical properties to be regenerative, only degenerative.

 You cannot target a single cell with a medication without damaging surrounding cells as seen in these chemotherapy drugs. The problem is they are degenerating more cells in an effort to destroy damaged cells the body should be able to naturally eliminate. It is a counterproductive exercise when you think about it.
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It is not counterproductive to kill cancer cells. Sometimes the cost is too great, but it is productive. What cancer treatments you are referring to that regenerate cells?

For those saying we'd have seen the effects, or that time has shown these are safe, we have seen the effects: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17303592

It seems like stem or leaf tea is a bad idea. Soursop and pawpaw fruits are probably safe, but more research is needed. Not more sticking heads in the sand cause you don't like what the research says, calling it disinformation, and saying you know more about medicine than the researchers.



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Temperate Fruit Discussion / Re: Asiminaholics Anonymous
« on: April 13, 2020, 12:31:31 PM »
Flowers are open on one of my trees, buds are on three or four more. Interesting that California is behind Tennessee in bloom time.

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Thanks for sharing Kevin. I love the color on that one, especially in the fifth picture. It's neat how the stems turn red once they harden.

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Drought hardy sapindaceae that fruits in a pot its the dune soap berry( Deinbollia Oblongifolia).

Looks interesting! Are you growing this? Couldn't find much about it.

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None of these have fruited yet, but I am enjoying seeing the variety of leaf color in Eugenia involucrata, E. calycina, and the orange E. aff. involucrata species. It will be very interesting to see how these relate to fruit color and taste.



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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: The colors of Surinam cherry
« on: April 02, 2020, 10:17:21 PM »
One of mine is looking good! #1 and #3 are seedlings from a black-fruited tree from Huertasurbanas, 1 year old. #2 is some rootstock from FlyingFoxFruits, the grafted Zill Dark died last winter (Feb 2019).







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Temperate Fruit Discussion / Re: Asiminaholics Anonymous
« on: March 15, 2020, 11:37:36 AM »
I was reading a bit of this lovely thread and thought I'd share what I know on this issue. I'm in a pawpaw group on facebook and Neal Peterson is also part of that group. When he shares advice, I make note of it lol. At one point someone was looking for recommendations on where to buy seeds and someone responded with the website: nuttrees.net (Cliff England's site) and Neal said this in response: "They have select seed and that is good. I disagree with their statement that the progeny has a 95% chance of equally the parent. The probability is closer to 25%. (In other words the usual commercial hype.)"

I would think Neal would know better than probably anyone else on that topic.

Keep in mind this is a man who sells grafted trees for a living.

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How about a dump truck with a tailgate? No need to reinvent the wheel. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3O_R82OK7_0

Edit: Or if you're set on a sprayer, you might be able to use a shop vac.

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Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Re: It's warming up already!
« on: February 23, 2020, 07:33:40 PM »
His plant was grown from seed, but it doesn't sound like the parent tree in Isan was called Isan Indigo. Maybe the one he selected and named Isan Indigo really is better than its siblings/children, maybe it isn't. You could just sell them as Isan Purple seeds.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: orange Eugenia aff. involucrata
« on: February 22, 2020, 08:19:22 PM »
For propagation. I have one healthy one of these, and many E. involucrata seedlings. I haven't yet experienced dieback on them, but my oldest is only maybe five years. When my orange one gets big enough, grafting some cuttings onto the involucrata rootstocks would be good insurance, and this one is much prettier than involucrata in my opinion. The trunk is darker green, and the new leaves orange.




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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: orange Eugenia aff. involucrata
« on: February 22, 2020, 02:51:32 PM »
Has anyone tried grafting these to E. involucrata?

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Maybe the small Araticú is Annona neosalicifolia. One of your photos showed black skin. https://postimg.cc/HJRsdxyH

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I got some Cosmic Crisp at Costco a couple months ago. Skin was really thick, flesh sweet, but not outstanding. I prefer slightly under-ripe Fuji.

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I got some at Costco a couple months ago. Skin was really thick, flesh sweet, but not outstanding. I prefer slightly under-ripe Fuji.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Iron pan soil ,tropical rainforest soil
« on: February 16, 2020, 11:10:22 AM »
The soil in the Amazon is also infertile, hence why the Terra preta was created. The Amazon relies on Sahara dust.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
« on: January 16, 2020, 05:15:19 PM »
Looks like Selenicereus anthonyanus.

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