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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Which New Zills Mango
« on: February 13, 2012, 04:40:37 PM »
Zill's new mangoes. Got all from Jeff Hagen. Planted Pina Colada, Lemon Zest and Sweet Tart.  Did not get  Harvest Moon.  What I liked about Sweet Tart was that it bears in clusters so I have read. Small fruits in clusters. I have tasted Lemon Zest and thought it was great. But no taste of the others. Time will tell but I doubt Zill is putting out crap after so much time and effort spent breeding. I have a feeling Sweet Tart will look the best on the tree and Pina Colada will taste the best

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Planting instructions
« on: February 13, 2012, 12:38:04 AM »
Excalibur has some tree planting instructions on their website. What do you think of it? Any suggestions or anything you guys would do differently?

Planting instructions link.


For my very sandy soil--
I dig a deep hole 30-36" deep. I also try to dig it out wide under the existing topsoil and grass. I keep all top soil in one bucket and it will eventually go back in the hole after rocks are sifted out.  All the nasty subsoil and coral rocks go in other buckets and are gotten rid of. They are replaced with HD topsoil. I go deep, not wide. After heaping in a few bags of HD topsoil I take the hose and pour in about 5 gallons of water, this way the soil settles downward to an accurate depth. So you don't plant your tree and then a few months later find it has sunk down into the hole a few inches to where your grafting point will get wet all the time. Bad for the tree it can rot there


Next day or a few hours after watering into the hole, I take the fruit tree and if it is potbound I cut at the bottom and sides to loosen and free up roots. I do this a bit even if not potbound. Put tree in the hole and heap up dirt to plant it and firm up the dirt. I am usually adding time release fertilizer too at this point

Know your soil profile. It is probably totally different than mine which has zero clay, is sand  and coral rock and humus organic content.
Note that I am doing this in a West Broward sub-division. Where to develop and drain it canals and ponds were dug out with all that sand and coral heaped up on the land to elevate it. Then houses were built along with 6-12" of topsoil applied along with St Augustine grass and fertilizer. You should ask yourself where that topsoil came from.  I think it was made from shredded trees and vegetation that was heaped up for a year.



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I have had a winter crop the past four years from my tree.  I take the summer fruit off the tree once they set. That way it will grow leaves leaves over the summer and flower and fruit later in the year.  I usually pick my first choc anon in November and the last hang on until  Jan.  It might not compare with my my favorite summer fruit but, in the winter harvesting your own tree ripened fruit will always beat a supermarket mango.


I remember you posting that at Garden Web. I'll try it some day with my NDM4s. You just gave me a good reason to plant another NDM4

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after watching for years from afar, with saliva adrooling, i will be able to make it to this year's Fairchild mango festival. so psyched!.
anyone else planning on going?
 

This year the theme is "The Mangoes of Wild Alaska" so I'm definitely going

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In the USA loquat is mostly treated as an ornamental plant. In Japan the fruits are highly valued and very many cultivars have been developed, including giant sized fruits and a seedless loquat.
Oscar

I picked from purely ornamental trees. Loquat is apple and pear related. We need some of the Nipponese varieties you mention.

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One really great subtropical fruit related to apples, pears, and peaches that grows well in our area is the Loquat. I see the fruit beginning to change color as we ...

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I was at Home Depot today, and saw that they were selling 3 foot manilas.  These were grafted trees, which I thought was kind of strange since I thought that manilas were grown on their own roots.

Anyways, I was wondering if it would be okay to graft another type of mango onto these already grafted trees.

Thanks!

Herman


Don't decapitate the tree and graft onto that with just one grand graft.... What you do is graft onto selected offshoots and branches. You might find internet references to this called "top working". The Manila is in the pot not planted....so easy to take to your favorite graft guy when scion wood is available.....May? With your receipt HD has a one year plant return policy so maybe buy two or three Manilas....

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http://www.palmbeachpost.com/money/citrus-resurgence-florida-residents-must-pay-a-lot-2058415.html   (from Palm Beach Post)

Citrus resurgence: Florida residents must pay a lot more to bear fruit again after canker war

By SUSAN SALISBURY
Palm Beach Post Staff Writer
Updated: 6:52 a.m. Tuesday, Dec. 27, 2011


Along State Road A1A just south of Southern Boulevard, motorists can catch a glimpse of dozens of citrus trees planted last year on a residential lot. The 3- to 4-foot trees are thriving.

Six years after the failed state and federal war on canker, backyard citrus is making a comeback, whether it's the wealthy planting a small grove or homeowners trying their luck with lone orange trees.

But the billion-dollar battles left their scars: People can no longer expect orange, grapefruit, lime and other citrus trees to grow like weeds and produce buckets of fruit. Canker-free citrus seedlings cost more than ever, and protecting them from disease requires time and effort.

Owning a citrus tree was once taken for granted as part of the Florida lifestyle. The trees that dotted backyards provided fragrant blossoms, fruit, shade, a nesting place for birds and more. But after the destruction starting in 1995 of more than 16.5 million citrus trees in a $1.6 billion effort to stop canker, thousands of homes were left without their beloved fruit trees.

The federal government declared the program aimed at stopping the fruit-­blemishing disease a failure, determined canker was endemic in Florida and lifted the ban on planting trees in 2006. It's taken a while for supplies to bounce back and for people to realize they are once again permitted to plant citrus trees.

Florida nurseries propagated 3.1 million citrus trees in the year that ended June 30, said Michael Kesinger, chief of the Florida Department of Agriculture and Consumer Services' Citrus Budwood Registration Division. That's far below production in 2002 of 5.8 million, but a rebound from the low of 1.4 million trees when the war on canker ended in 2006.

"I would estimate between 10 to 15 percent of those trees are for home­owners," Kesinger said.

Ann Bolin of Palm Beach Gardens recently purchased a single potted calamondin tree.

"It smells nice, and it fits on the patio," said Bolin, who moved here from Texas.

To help her tree thrive, Bolin turned to www.mycitrustree.com for

advice and purchased KeyPlex, a nutritional supplement used by growers and now available to homeowners.

Richard Johnston of Canal Point, who is a member of the Erickson Farm family, founded My Citrus Tree two years ago and formed a partnership with Record Buck, a commercial tree nursery in Howey-in-the-Hills, and Winter Park-based KeyPlex, which makes the nutritional product.

"For me it is about empowering others' success," Johnston said. "Citrus is a Florida staple, and I want to support an industry that our forefathers and pioneers have grown."

Canker prevention is driving the cost of citrus trees. In 2007, the state began requiring that the trees nurseries sell to commercial groves and homeowners be grown in secure greenhouses built to specific standards.

"Everything has gone up 60 to 70 percent," said Richard Wilson, owner of Excalibur Fruit Trees west of Lake Worth. He sells standard grafted trees in 5-gallon containers for $50. The largest he sells are the 95-gallon size at $900, which used to be priced at $550 to $600.

Once the tree is in the ground, there is more work to do.

If tree owners do not spray with copper, the trees will get canker, Wilson said. Treatment also is needed to combat psyllids, the tiny insects that spread greening disease, which kills trees.

"People are still buying citrus. They have to treat it like a grove and spray it," said Wilson, whose company planted the Key lime, lemon, tangerine, grapefruit and orange trees on the Palm Beach property, dubbed "The Grove."

"It will be difficult for the average homeowner to maintain a healthy citrus tree. It's amazing how many pests and diseases are attracted to a citrus tree," Kesinger said.

But many are willing to try.

Kathy and Bob Powers of Boca Raton were heartbroken when their two healthy mature citrus trees, one a Ruby Red grapefruit tree, were cut down in 2003 during the canker fight. The government program required the destruction of trees within 1,900 feet of an infected tree.

The couple replanted citrus around 2006, but three years later, the trees were removed after contracting greening disease. They're considering planting once again.

"I hope everybody plants tons of them," Kathy Powers said. "It is a right of being a Floridian. Those trees were my babies."


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Loquat- some varieties selected by Larry Shatzer of Our Kids Nursery, near me in Orlando, are the most amazing I've had!  I used to hate loquat, and I always thought loquat was a trash, parking lot fruit...but when I tasted and saw ones with sweet delicious, white flesh (light yellow), about the size of a goose egg, it was amazing!!!  I am procuring bud wood, and grafting all of his varieties this year!! He has kept them to himself so to speak, not selling that many over the years...I can understand, but it's time to share!  Very healthy fruits, in season when others aren't, sometimes producing multiple crops per year!

I am very interested!!!  Picked some parking lot loquat yesterday and I like that too...only problem is you get too many (unripe) sour and shriveled ones and not enough dead ripe and sweet. But I eat them anyway.

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Two more days of crud then comes relief--->>

http://www.accuweather.com/en/us/sunrise-fl/33351/daily-weather-forecast/337629

http://www.accuweather.com/en/us/sunrise-fl/33351/february-weather/337629

Good news for mango production. Lotsa panicales at my place but 99% of my panicles have not opened up into flowers so its looking good at my house at least. I'm thinking the damp hurts mangoes most when the flowers are open and subject to pollination. This is when the fungus can take hold. Or am I all wet? :)

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Extreme Mango Bloom
« on: February 09, 2012, 10:12:15 PM »
JH--Your grafted PSM is nicely budding and will graduate from shrub to tree very soon ...... Then I'll have to make sure tree sheddings don't clog up the A/C coils. But should not be a big issue to keep on top of.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Extreme Mango Bloom
« on: February 09, 2012, 09:38:18 PM »
The second one is my 6 yr old Pin Saen Mun (PSM) that is overloaded with bloom.


I thought Pin Saen Mun were supposed to grow upright in habit. Yours is a low rider PSM...low and loaded.  Here is a PSM I just planted (another Jeff Hagen graft) front of my air conditioner to beautify it. The town requested people  plant shrubs or decorative fences so A/C units are not street visible






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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: seedless lychees?
« on: February 08, 2012, 01:47:18 PM »
@lycheeluva
It could be that seedless lychees don't have much to them. I see seedless grapes and seedless watermelons as jokes. As inferior to the seeded kind. It's a shame to see seedless grapes and watermelons taking over the markets. Gets harder to find them each year. Consumers must be voting for them. grrrr...

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Just putting these out for your consideration. Why should we be slaves to expensive store bought mineral chelates. I have done neither yet though I do have iron and copper sulfates on their way to me and I already have DMSO sitting around. You will find one gallon 99.85% pure DMSO at Amazon from a horse tack shop.Delivered for about $40. http://www.amazon.com/Valhoma-INDUSTRIAL-SOLVENT-DMSO-GAL/dp/B00562ST6Y/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1328710733&sr=8-2  Though I would just deal direct with this source, they are on the internet in a big way. Big Dee's Tack & Vet Supplies.
 DMSO is a lignin product. Look at the label of your Southern Ag Citrus Foliar. You will see unbound (unchelated) iron, magnesium, zinc, manganese sulfates plus their sulfates bound (chelated) to lignins.

Ascorbic acid= vitamin C and goes for about $14/lb

DMSO based foliar sprays    http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1749-6632.1967.tb34876.x/abstract

DMSO based foliar sprays     http://www.avocadosource.com/Journals/FSHSP/FSHSP_VOL_78_PG_358-364_1965.pdf

DMSO based foliar sprays        http://www.fshs.org/Proceedings/Password%20Protected/1971%20Vol.%2084/17-23%20%28BASIOUNY%29.pdf

Ascorbic acid + mineral sulfates nutritional sprays --- http://www.reeis.usda.gov/web/crisprojectpages/203864.html   Research done at USDA in Miami. The ascorbic acid helps mineral sulfates penetrate leaves same as DMSO

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Tough to say, but it sure is wet and humid for February.  I started spraying copper last week on my small trees, and I may continue to do so every week or 10 days from now on. 

I am only going to do this on those that are under 10 feet tall or so.  The big ones will have to take care of themselves this year.  No more climbing up a 16 ft ladder with a 4 gallon backpack for me ...

What form of copper may I ask? I am about to buy some copper sulfate... Ebay 3lb for $15

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In South Florida I'm looking at the rain today and drizzles of the previous four days and probably the next four more days. The mango panicales are out, this moisture is making them susceptible to anthracnose. Copper is supposed to prevent it. The time to apply it would have been before this rainy interlude.

How much is this rain going to hurt 2012 mango production here? Based on what you have seen in previous years.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Foliar Feeding
« on: February 05, 2012, 02:15:37 PM »
The turf pro sounds like a great suggestion. Thanks. Does anyone think their is a downside to using a hose end sprayer?

Too much water ....you need one of these. I would go with a window cleaner spray bottle until I got one....which actually works great but you cannot reach higher leaves with one. But maybe you can get enough of the good stuff on lower leaves to keep the tree happy

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Thanks Adam. I never heard of this one


http://organicfarm.net/fruitnursery.htm

Fruit Fact Sheet
Blue Grape, Myrciaria vexator
   Common Name: Blue Grape

Botanical Name: Myrciaria vexator
Max Size: 15 FT
Time To Fruit: 3-4 Years
Availability: Limited Stock
Price - small size : $25.00

Fruit Description
This jaboticaba relative has grape-like purple excellent fruits that taste somewhat like sweet grapes. The nursery specimen are from a high quality cultivar grown at Govardhan Gardens.




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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: What is the best lychee?
« on: February 04, 2012, 02:29:16 AM »
All I know is lychees are always so expensive in the store compared to mangoes. $4.00/lb is the least expensive I have seen while you can luck out with decent Florida grown mangoes @$1.00 each. Plus you can buy backyard mangoes or get donations from neighbors. Lychees trees in back yards are far less common even though they are usually mentioned along with mangoes in this forum. So I better plant the Brewster lychee I have sitting in a pot

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Foliar Feeding
« on: February 04, 2012, 02:20:23 AM »
Foliar feeding was brought up on the Organic Gardening post.  I was curious the various products people have had used with good results.  I have always used the Southern Ag Citrus Spray for foliar feeding.

What products, organic or not, are you using?
My big question is why not buy iron sulfate and magnesium sulfate  (Epsom salts). Both are cheap. Make foliars with them with a little soap to adhere better to leaves and such.  Are iron and magnesium chelates better for foliar feeding than the simple sulfates? I know  that Souther Ag foliar (which I have) has a few other chelated and non-chelated elements .... zinc and manganese.

Southern Ag citrus foliar seems to be chelated elements and plain old unchelated sulfates


http://www.southernag.com/docs/labels_msds/chcitr.pdf
GUARANTEED ANALYSIS:                  BY WT.
Total Magnesium as Mg 1.00%
Water Soluble Magnesium as Mg 1.00%
Chelated Magnesium as Mg 0.70%
Soluble Iron as Fe 1.20%
Chelated Iron as Fe 0.70%
Soluble Manganese as Mn 1.20%
Chelated Manganese as Mn 1.00%
Soluble Zinc as Zn 1.70%
Chelated as as Zn 1.50%
Combined Sultur as S 4.10%
Derived from: Magnesium Sulfate, Magnesium Lignin Sulfate Chelate, Manganese Sulfate, Manganese Lignin Sulfate
Chelate, Zinc Sulfate, Zinc Lignin Sulfate Chelate, Ferrous Sulfate, Ferrous Lignin Sulfate Chelate. Chelating agent is Lignin
Sulfate.
Guaranteed by:  Southern Agricultural Insecticides, Inc.   P.O. Box 218     Palmetto, Fl 34220
USE PRECAUTIONS
THIS PRODUCT WILL SEVERELY STAIN CONCRETE, MASONRY AND PAINTED SURFACES.  B

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Introduce Yourself
« on: February 04, 2012, 12:31:27 AM »
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The topsoil on my farm is mostly a good quality loam, with a little too much clay in some areas.   Most areas drain well, but water weeps out of rock in a few places for 3-5 days after a good rain.  The soil is shallow in some places, with soft volcanic rock underneath.  It's a very dark soil.  I use plain topsoil for starting plants in bags - nothing added.

I only started farming 5 months ago, and am still in the process of clearing land.  Only the first 3 acres have been planted with fruit so far.
John

South Florida soil has no clay content or volcanic content so yours is better just on that. Palm Beach County, Broward County and Dade County, you usually will get a soil that is 100% sand with the organic matter in it (humus) being what holds fertilizer and minerals. You might get a mucky soil depending on what era and how your land was drained and developed. Over by Lake Okeechobee lots of vegetables are grown on muck soils. You might have access to granite rock dust  http://www.permies.com/t/7154/permaculture/Rock-Dust if you have gravel operations crushing volcanic granite,

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Birthday Present Ideas for my Tropical Dad
« on: February 04, 2012, 12:14:19 AM »
2 different kinds of bananas. Get  that banana patch going ASAP! Plus they give a tropical look to a place. Can even plant out front. Plantains if he likes them, cooked of course.

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Tree trimmings delivered today at neighbor's house!
This is my neighbors place...he got the delivery
I made off with some of this free tree trimmers mulch for my own place and might get a delivery myself in a few months
Some was caked up and hot w vapor coming out

Below are:
Canistel
Boniato as ground cover and perennial peanut ground cover
Surinam Cherry tree
Chinese brasscia of some kind
Neighbors smaller mango tree of unknown variety
His large Keitt mango tree
Avocado on left, lychee at right
lots of mulch on aloe vera in the front yard
sunflowers
raspberries












avocado with lychee on the right


neighbors low and wide mango tree....belongs to his neighbor one over




Keitt


boniato



Surinam Cherry tree






canistel


perennial peanut ground cover


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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Introduce Yourself
« on: February 03, 2012, 04:41:35 PM »

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My internet is delivered through the mobile phone network.  I recieve it on a little modem that looks like a flash memory stick.   It's painfully slow by EU and U.S. standards (no YouTube for me), but okay for most websites.

John

Too bad about slow internet. Other than that, being on or very close to the salt ocean for fish to eat, plus growing all you do, where you are is ideal. Is your  soil sandy? Do you have clay content and volcanic content in your soil?

internet:
The Topography of Fiji is similar to most island in the South Pacific. This islands are mostly volcanic in origin with a substantial number of the smaller islands


Z

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Emerald Mango
« on: February 03, 2012, 11:28:42 AM »
trying to get some info about emerald mango, if any has tried this variety?? we have 2 in ground would appreciate some info on taste and growth habit. Thanks Mike

from 2010 Fairchild festival program courtesy Jeff Hagen:

‘Emerald’ (Florida) ‘ Emerald’ was selected on Pine Island, Florida
many years ago due to its heavy production, disease resistance and
excellent flavor. It falls within the ‘B ombay’ flavor class of mangos
and has a deep, rich flavor with heavy tones of berry and Indian
spice. The fruit are 12 ounces with a emerald green skin color. When
exposed to the full sun the fruit will have a slight burgundy blush on
the shoulder. The skin is smooth and waxy and very smooth. The
flesh is deep orange and without fiber. The fruit can be scored and
twisted open and eaten with a smooth. The tree is medium to large
and is a vigorous grower. Nitrogen and water should be tightly
controlled in order to get consistent, heavy production. The fruit ripen
in the middle of the summer and have excellent disease tolerance and
storage characteristics.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Honeybell orange
« on: February 03, 2012, 03:28:03 AM »
The local place where I buy my fruit is called Doris Italian Market. Located in several locations in Broward & Palm Beach counties, they carry a nice assortment of Homestead grown fruits-veggies most of the year. During July, they sell some awesome Guatemalan grown Rambutans for $7lb.     

Was just there today at Doris Coral Springs location and bought some limes @2/dollar which you would think is expensive.  But they were so enormous I bought a few. They were so ugly they must be local grown.   Z   
Stiles Mkt on Oakland Pk Blvd goes very very local w lots of Florida in season suppliers
Swap Shop is  even better with backyard suppliers  (some at least) During a mango drought year I went there and found lotsa  backyard mangoes

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