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Cold Hardy Citrus / Calamondin curiousities...
« on: May 04, 2025, 02:16:59 PM »
Hey all, I've mentioned this tree, but never pictured it. It's a thornless calamondin I've had for years. Since then I've realized the thornless trait is something that no other calamondin I've seen seem to share.

It seems like a normal calamondin otherwise in terms of appearance, fruit, leaves, so on and so forth. Though it's growth seems slower in the sense that it has tighter node spacing. It has survived freezes that killed all my other calamondin, citrus (except trifoliates) and even my in-ground hardy figs. Which is pretty notable.

My hope is to grow out the next round of seedlings from this tree and check if they are thornless too. If they are, I plan to distribute them to people interested in testing their hardiness or breeding them.







The thornless tree above is also the father of a batch of calamondin x calamondin seedling. I ended up with one clearly zygotic offspring with leaves that resemble calamondin but much more closely resemble kumquat.

Here are pictures from a few months back when I started putting the trees back outdoors. The zygotic offspring is thornless with more leaves and closer nodes than the rest, much like it's pollen donor. I have high hopes for this tree.





Here is a nucellar thorned calamondin which made up the majority of seedlings.



So... anyone else seen a thornless calamondin? Because if I've got something special here, I'd like to share some budwood with those who could make good use of it as I have had a very difficult time with rooting them compared to most anything else.

Edited: I also think it's worth mentioning that I got one zygotic survivor in a batch of 14 seedlings, which matches the 7% chance observed in the few studies available for reference. There was one other suspected zygotic seedling, but it died suddenly mid-winter.


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Citrus General Discussion / Calamondin x calamondin = kumquat?
« on: March 14, 2025, 05:01:25 PM »
Hey folks! It turns out that I did get two potentially zygotic offspring amongst my first batch of calamondin x calamondin seedlings. I identified a pair of divergent sprouts from polyembryonic seeds among the initial set of 14 calamondin sprouts. One died recently due to a poor root system.

However, the other possible hybrid is the one of note. It is thornless and looks like a lot like a kumquat!? I'm aware it's fruit could be any-dang-thing from awful to tasty to non-existent. But I've got a good feeling about this one. It is ~9 months old as of writing this. And yes, I know it is not technically a kumquat.  :P



Similar to the calamondin parents, the leaves appear to still have a slightly wider lobe towards the tip than at the base. I don't believe any of my other citrus trees with elongated leaves share this particular trait.



It is *very* different from the nucellar seedlings. Here is a nucellar calamondin for example...



Sadly, cutest bonsai-like thing about this little tree is already turning into a problem. The loop at the base of the trunk has already caused issues with the trunk flexing and splitting in the wind. That looks to have allowed for some rot to move in. I am thinking it would be wise to graft this tree onto some other rootstocks as soon as possible.



Other info:

The mother plant was a calamondin that exhibits small to medium thorns that came from Becnel and Sons. Unfortunately, I cut the mother down to the rootstock due to a fungus boring beetles. My attempts to clone the tree failed. But that's okay because it appeared to be the same as any other thorny grafted calamondin clone I can buy at Lowes. I have seen this one survive freezes into the low 20's (*F).

The father plant was a thornless calamondin I got years ago. I believe it was from Becnel and Sons. It's been several years so the original tag has been lost to time. However, the tree is thriving and loaded with fruit while still on it's own roots. I will photograph it when I move it outdoors here soon. It is the only fruit tree that survived freezes that killed my in-ground figs in WV (down to 0*F) while left out in a 30g black pot totally unprotected. A few branches took damage, but it bounced right back last spring.

And again, I know this is not a fruiting tree so I have no idea what it'll be. But it's a successful start on my first super half-arsed attempt. So I'm really excited for what happens when I put some actual care into the next round of seedlings.

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Cold Hardy Citrus / Calamondin/calamansi as the mother
« on: September 25, 2024, 09:25:37 PM »
I bring this topic up because I had tossed some overripe fruit from my grafted tree down into the pot. Next thing I knew, I had multiple seeds sprouting with multiple embryos. Like, over 50% of them. Several had three! And among the earliest four polyembryonic sprouts, there were notable differences in appearance and growth rate between what I believe are two nucellar calamondin and two actual zygotic offspring.

Obviously this is not an intentional cross, but I don't think anything else was flowering at the same time. Perhaps key lime? I don't believe there are any other citrus growers in the neighborhood... can calamondins self pollinate and produce zygotic offspring?

I'll add pics once the babies sprout a few more leaves.

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Cold Hardy Citrus / Where to acquire Poncirus+? (Crossing with Satsumas)
« on: November 11, 2023, 09:20:10 AM »
Hi ya'll, I'm one of the many (or few?) folks out there attempting to create improved cold hardy citrus trees to grow up here in 6B. I know there are many folks far ahead of me, but I see that as inspiration!!

I'm interested in procuring a Poncirus+ tree for breeding purposes. I just don't know where the heck to find one? Can anyone point me the right direction?

If anyone else on this path has cuttings or babies of promising F1, F2, (or F3 if anyone got that far?) they'd be willing to share, I'd love to collaborate. Particularly if it's poncirus trifoliata x citrus unshiu. ;)

I realize there are many challenges involved and the chances of an outcome in line with my goals are slim. That's how life goes. I happen to like challenges.

I currently have a flying dragon tree I intend to cross with a satsuma mandarin but I suspect poncirus+ or existing poncirus hybrids may a better starting point. If I feel extra feisty, I may also attempt to cross with a ponderosa lemon.


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Howdy all! I found myself here while researching a pawpaw / cherimoya cross. I see I'm far from the first.  ;)

It would appear the different chromosome count would be an issue with haploid hybridization. So is anyone aware of specific studies that provide a percentage of haploid and diploid pollen and ovule cells in each particular species? I believe I've seen them referenced but I don't have a link on hand right now.

I'd like to approximate my odds of successful hybridization before I worry about the chances of self abortion, nevermind the later stuff-stratification, germination, survival, etc...

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