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Fantastic! I think I'm all set, then.  I'm glad I asked here before I made my decision.

I know Maria Black is a dwarfish tree, similar to Wurtz, but I've never tasted it.  Have you tasted Wurtz yet?  I had a tree at my last house.  It's pretty good.  Not Hass good. Not Oro Negro good.  But okay.
I forgot to mention that Wurtz is not a watery "Florida" avocado so that should be a plus for your wife.  Also, they say it is both A and B type.

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I haven't tasted Wurtz or Maria. Or any of the others. Just going on opinions.  I figure that if my wife doesn't like them, I will.  I'm not too picky. 

I know Maria Black is a dwarfish tree, similar to Wurtz, but I've never tasted it.  Have you tasted Wurtz yet?  I had a tree at my last house.  It's pretty good.  Not Hass good. Not Oro Negro good.  But okay.

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How about Maria Black? As a Type B, early season fruit it complements the Wurtz (Type A, late season). Maria Black is also a smaller tree and not as commonly grown. Simmonds is great but it's a Type A.

I see both  Maria Black avocado trees and Maria avocado trees offered.  Are they one in the same, or different varieties?

And thanks for the replies!

Nevermind.  I figured it out myself.  It was called a Maria avocado tree that produces fruit that is black when ripe.  Thus - Maria Black avocado.

I think I'll get one

Thanks again

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How about Maria Black? As a Type B, early season fruit it complements the Wurtz (Type A, late season). Maria Black is also a smaller tree and not as commonly grown. Simmonds is great but it's a Type A.

I see both  Maria Black avocado trees and Maria avocado trees offered.  Are they one in the same, or different varieties?

And thanks for the replies!

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Avocado Choice for SW Florida Backyard - AGAIN
« on: November 05, 2024, 06:16:32 PM »
I know. It gets repetitive. But maybe something new will come up.

I would like to plant a second avocado tree in my backyard and I want to keep it small - 15 feet or so max. The other tree is a Wurtz that shares the yard with a Sugarbelle citrus, a Glenn mango, a Honeykiss mangp, and a Pickering mango.  There's plenty of space, but I don't want it to overshadow the other trees.  All are in full sun.

Since Wurtz is late season, it would be nice to have a variety that is early or mid season. My wife doesn't like "Florida" avocados so I guess I need some oil content (although I like the Florida types).

So - I'm thinking Simmonds, Day, Florida Hass, or Oro Negro (though it's a late season avocado).

All the usual factors apply like productivity, disease resistance, ease of management, wind tolerance, etc.

I have read here and elsewhere till my eyes are crossed, so I'm throwing it out there.  I'm especially looking for those of you in SW Florida who have experience with these or other smaller tree varieties.

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My understanding regarding fungus on St. Augustine grass is that it results form overwatering and poor drainage. You can spray to control the fungus, or you could plant something that would thrive in the wet conditions of that spot in the lawn. Usually the fungus just attacks a low or swampy area and not the entire lawn. Maybe some banana and taro (or ornamental colocacea) to drink up that excess water. Coleus might work well too and some people say Canna Lilies will take a lot of moisture and they usually like full sun.

Thank you for the suggestions. Much appreciated.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Lawn fungus and anthracnose on fruit trees
« on: October 15, 2024, 09:11:06 PM »
In the home setting when fruit trees like mangos are planted in cleared beds surrounded by lawn, does excess fungal infestation in the lawn make anthracnose infection of the trees more likely?  If so, will treating the lawn result in healthier trees?

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Sometimes leaf dessication from wind can burn leaves and it can be mistaked for other damage. It shows up as reddish brown and leaf basically dries up from the edge toward the midrib.

I went ahead and treated some of my trees anthracnose tends to show up for me stronger for this time of year maybe from all the wind and moisture

I suppose it couldn't hurt. Probably a good idea, especially when it's easy to treat a handful of trees in the backyard.

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I tested to foliar spray one of my mango trees with 100% ocean water.
And never saw any damage, no rain for atleast 2 days after.
Even though the EC of ocean water is way above recommended max 3000-4000 uS for foliar.
There where just mature leafs on the mango tree.

Maybe combination of wind and ocean water has negative effect.

Very interesting.  If I hadn't experienced it, I would have assumed that mature mango leaves would have been tough enough to resist the wind and small amount of salt, but they didn't.  I'm getting some leaf drop now on the mangos and especially the Sugar Belle citrus, but overall I think the young trees will be OK.

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We had a near miss from Milton last week, and are close enough to the coast that I'm sure that the hurricane lifted some salt spray into the air and deposited it on plants in my yard. There was no actual salt water on the ground. I sprayed them off with fresh water, but the damage had been done. The hibiscus, incense bush, papayas, sugar belle, and mangos - among others - were  most affected.  I assume that the plants will recover by sprouting new growth, but was wondering if I should spray the mangos with copper to prevent fungus from taking up residence in the dead tissue.  Or will this cause more harm to the already compromised leaves.  Any advice?


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Papaya not doing well with the gusting winds.

Surprisingly, the tender flushes of leaves on the mango trees are holding their own so far.

Same here.  Papayas have lost MANY leaves, but none have snapped.  Wind is dessicating them as well.  We'll see how they recover.  I was at Bokeelia picking up a Pickering and a Glenn on Tuesday.  Planted them that day thinking the rain would help settle them in.  Wind - duh!.  They're staked tight and handling it like champs.  I think things here will get thru it. I worry how the thousands of potted mango trees are doing there in Bokeelia, though.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Would you let these Mango trees hold fruit?
« on: September 22, 2024, 01:44:34 PM »
I'm curious. Do the stakes need to be removed to help the tree develop a stronger trunk and root system as it resists the wind?  Sort of like bones in the body will strengthen with weight bearing exercise?  I've read this somewhere - that the tree may be "wimpy" if it relies on stakes too long.
The tree will reach the point where it's no longer depending on the stake for support, but technically the stake is not hurting the tree.  You want to get it out of the way at that point while it's easy to remove in order to allow the trunk to continue to expand.

Thanks.  I can, on occasion, get some significant wind in my yard coming off a lake.  My trees were put in the ground about 9 months ago from 3 gallon containers.  Both were topped around 36 inches and have flushed nice scaffolding a couple times since. The Honey Kiss trunk seems to be fattening up nicely, but the Duncan is more spindly and leggy.  I guess it's just the difference between the two varieties. I have them staked, but on loose loops that allow them to rock around in the wind, but hopefully keep them from breaking off.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Would you let these Mango trees hold fruit?
« on: September 21, 2024, 07:44:54 AM »
I will one the first two but not on the third.

By the way, any reason you still have the Orange Sherbet staked?

Thanks everyone for the recommendations!

I took the stakes out of all of them - the tree is sturdy enough, didn’t realize it I didn’t need then. First time growing mangoes!

I'm curious. Do the stakes need to be removed to help the tree develop a stronger trunk and root system as it resists the wind?  Sort of like bones in the body will strengthen with weight bearing exercise?  I've read this somewhere - that the tree may be "wimpy" if it relies on stakes too long.

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Citrus General Discussion / Re: Sugar Belle Flush and Pruning Advice
« on: July 24, 2024, 09:08:08 PM »
Thanks for the advice. This is only my second citrus and my Meyer lemon didn't grow like this, so I was curious.  I didn't plan on pruning it now, but I wonder how I'll deal with all this growth when it's time to prune and shape.  I'd like to eventually keep the tree to a manageable size.

Let it grow as big and as fast as you can. Don't prune anything unless its a root sucker.

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At  the present stage of growth I would leave the tree alone.

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Citrus General Discussion / Sugar Belle Flush and Pruning Advice
« on: July 24, 2024, 02:17:34 PM »
I planted a Sugar Belle at the end of January this year and it was as big around as a pencil and had about 12 sad looking leaves on it.  Since then, it has flushed one minor time producing a couple new limbs, and two major times.  The first major flush produced 2-4 new branches at each flush point, and the second major flush at the beginning of July has produced from 4 to 7 branches at each point.  I'm not complaining, mind you, but if this pattern keeps up, who knows how many branches will flush next. Obviously I'm gonna have to prune some of this stuff back some day.  How should I deal with all these branches?  Is there a pattern I should follow for optimal results?

The little tree just after planting:



The tree now:




Multiple branches at flush point - I think there are seven:




Multiple branches at flush point - I think there are seven:



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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Two fruit thieves in one day.
« on: July 10, 2024, 11:03:28 AM »
Hey, whatever works.  It certainly makes a visual impression.

I've encountered multiple fruit thieves. Don't waste your breath talking to talk it out. They'll lie their asses off. Stand your ground, have bear spray and machete. Let them know that it's your food and you'll die defending it
That’s an interesting choice of weapons.

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Well, it's just your lucky day.  But seriously, what are you gonna do now?

Yah neither did I lol.  Also with some anthracnose sprinkled on top lol

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Wow! I never would have seen that coming.

I've been fighting this fight for a while.  Any ideas?  I've sprayed fungicides (copper and sulfer when cooler), pesticide (neem, soap, azadachtrin, Spinosad).  Can't seem to find a solution.  Any ideas?









I had the local state nursery inspector come out and do some samples to send to Gainesville for analysis.

Turns out I'm getting hammered by citrus root wevils.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
« on: June 17, 2024, 04:43:15 PM »
Thank you!!

They bloom from now through August. Its the day length that encourages bloom. They won't bloom in winter.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
« on: June 14, 2024, 07:03:51 AM »
Thanks for the advice.  I wonder if anyone in South Florida can tell me if the blooming season is past, or can they bloom/fruit any time down here?

you sorta need to give it time to bloom or they will drop the blooms when you force it. find a fertilizer with a lowish N % and a very high Phosphorus and a middle ground Potassium. I feed mine 20-20-20 every other week during April, June and August but they are established plants. you can try to finesse them to bloom with a high Phosphorus as opposed to others. once you have a flower switch to high Potassium. Just saying what I've done and had work for me. It's hard to find a difinative guide online as they are all a little different. I currently have 6-8 blooms/fruit on one of my ABs and look forward to the bountiful late summer bloom.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
« on: June 13, 2024, 10:12:02 AM »
Ok, so now my cacti are hanging over, for the most part.  What I'm wondering now is if I can try to force some blooms.

I have tried to educate myself on this, and it seems that some recommend cutting a portion of the tips off and giving it a dose of FloraNova Bloom or something like it.

Are my plants ready for this yet?  Is there a season in SW Florida that is right to do this, and if so, am I past it?  Should I do something else or nothing at all?  I mean, I love seeing these things grow, but I'd like to go to the next stage and get some flowers.





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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Mango Resurrection
« on: June 03, 2024, 03:19:39 PM »
I bought a 7 gallon Glenn mango early last spring and put it in the ground.  At first it looked healthy and flushed a couple times.  By late summer this happened:




August 13, 2023

It got so bad later on that it defoliated completely.  I figured that I had nothing to lose, so I pugged it:



January 16, 2024

After a few weeks, nothing happened.  No green buds, no anything.  So I extracted it.  I expected to have to chop through some roots, or at least have a decent root ball, but it pulled out of the ground like a weed with a root ball that was about the size of a softball.  I threw it in the yard waste can and put it on the curb.  A couple of days later, I was adding something to the can and noticed a few green wart sized buds on the upper trunk.  Again, I figured I had nothing to lose, so I plunked it into some potting soil in a small pot that might have been as small as a gallon, but no larger than 3 gallons.  I put it in an area with partial shade and watered it every now and then, and this happened:



February 13, 2024

And so I put it back in the ground in a completely different spot, just in case there was some soil factor that had attacked it.  Now, after two flushes, it looks like this:



June 3, 2024

The moral of the story, I suppose, is to have extreme patience.  Or maybe it's just that mangos are tough as nails.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
« on: May 26, 2024, 09:06:04 PM »
Thanks for the reassurance and advice.  These things are crazy fun to grow.  You can practically see them get bigger as you watch.


Those look fine, once they get long enough they'll slooooowly pull over and downward without breaking. I've always believed the tugging of the arm connection is what sets off flowering.

Give your plant a very strong dose of N fertilizer and it will burst forth with a thousand new arms. Chicken manure works great for me as a seasonal topper, then I switch to slow release stuff. They are CRAZY tolerant of fertilizer and won't burn.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
« on: May 26, 2024, 04:30:51 PM »
I have a problem - a good problem.  My Vietnam white is super robust and after clipping it's tip when it got 12" above the trellis, it put out 4 healthy monster limbs.  They are now something like 20" long and two of them are putting out a new segment.  When I clipped the tip on these cacti, I assumed that the weight of the resulting arms would cause a medusa-like down growing cascade - not a lateral upward growth like I have.  I am afraid that these heavy arms are gonna break off any minute.  Am I doing something wrong?  What should I do to preserve the upper growth so I can get blooms on it?

In the picture, the arm on the right is the one I'm most concerned about right now, but I can see more issues in the making.




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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Hawaiian papaya results in FL
« on: May 20, 2024, 06:45:54 PM »
I'd like to bring this thread to the top again.  I am considering one of the Hawaiian papayas - a solo sunrise or sunset and/or a Waimanalo X-77.  Anyone have any advice or preference on the Hawaiian varieties and performance in South Florida?

Has there been any more information since this short thread was posted??

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