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My peculiar Kabosu from Vessieres

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Peep:
Wanted to give you something to read while the days get colder  ;)

Last year I bought a Kabosu from Vessieres. Two noteworthy points are that it had the CTV virus (I got refunded), and it doesn't look like a Kabosu.

I kept the plant for a year now, a bit isolated from my others. I was able to produce two fruits on it, after I harvest these I will throw the plant away. Hoping to get seeds from it first.

Could the plant have been mislabeled? Maybe, although interestingly, the leaves in the picture of Kabosu on Vessieres website look like the plant I received, and not like Kabosu. So have they been selling Kabosu for many years, while it is not real Kabosu? I did hear that they have multiple Kabosu mother plants.

I'm aware that the pictures on their website are not always perfectly accurate, they sometimes use the same picture for multiple (related) cultivars. But I checked, and their picture of Kabosu is not duplicated with any of their other plants.

The plant from Vessieres looks quite similar to Sudachi. My only Sudachi is from Lenzi and I wouldn't say that they look like an exact copy, but it's very close. I do think that Lenzi's Sudachi is real, but there exist quite a lot of varieties of Sudachi.

Vessieres already has three different ones for sale, and from what I know, Lenzi's is also a bit unique. For example, Lenzi's Sudachi will flower and fruit very easily compared to what I hear from people with other Sudachi. Also, the fruits seem a bit more flat in shape, while other Sudachi's can be a bit more round.

So my best guess is that the Vessieres plant is a Sudachi. Although it could be something else that looks similar.

I've had Kabosu from Adavo, but replaced it with one from Quissac. Both of these I believe are real Kabosu. Compared to the Vessieres plant, the leaves of real Kabosu are a bit larger, wider (also the petioles), less pointy, and have the habbit to be a bit wrinkly sometimes. The distance between the nodes/leaves on Sudachi is also closer, more dense.

So here are three pictures of my Kabosu from Vessieres:








And here is the picture from their own website:




And here is a picture of my Kabosu from Quissac:

cascadiacitrus:
Looks like the one from University of California Riverside. Maybe it’s just a different selection?

jim VH:
The first of yours looks like a Sudachi, the last one like my Kabosu.

  Here are images of mine. The top one is my Sudachi from Mackenzie Farms, the Bottom one the Kabosu, also from Mackenzie. To use the vernacular to describe the fruit's the navel, the Sudachi has an 'Innie', the Kabosu has an 'Outie'.

Peep:
While it would be interesting and not necessarily impossible that there are very different looking Kabosus, the one that @cascadiacitrus mentions from UC Riverside also has fruit with an outie such as @jim VH mentions is typical for Kabosu (thanks for pointing that out), while my Vessieres "Kabosu" has innie fruit.

I was thinking for a moment if the Vessieres plant could just be a different kind of Kabosu, because for example; I have three Taiwanica plants, two of wich look similar (they might be the same), while one looks significantly different. If you look up Taiwanica pictures online, you also see that there are many different looking examples.

But even though this might be the case for Taiwanica, the difference in leaves between Sudachi and Kabosu, combined with the innie/outie difference that Jim pointed out, I'm still leaning towards the idea that what Vessieres sells is not actually a Kabosu (unless only my plant is mislabeled, but their website picture also looks wrong still...)

Zagara:
Hy peep, how did you realize the "kabosu" from vessiere had ctv virus? What are the unmistakable tell sign please?

 

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