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Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Re: Avocado Scion Wood
« on: December 02, 2022, 02:04:08 PM »
Hybrid variety bought from plant it Hawaii

If you got a cross between sharwill and zutano.
I would be interested in testing it if you have any scions left in February.


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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Cold hardy avocado, banana and mango
« on: December 02, 2022, 01:51:00 PM »
Blue java banana, some say resistant to -6°C
I bought some on ebay in the spring and got scammed off.
I received cucumber seeds instead.
But still I couldn't check anything myself about its hardiness

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Cold Hardy Citrus / Re: Southeastern Citrus Expo pictures
« on: December 02, 2022, 01:35:45 PM »
Do you know who has the Taichang Lemon? Would love to get some cuttings.

You are not the only one, and I would like to check this -15°C resistance.

And then make my own opinion

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Cold Hardy Citrus / Re: Southeastern Citrus Expo pictures
« on: December 02, 2022, 12:57:32 AM »
Very nice assortment, you have almost all the varieties I am looking for.
It makes you want to see it all up close.  :)

Can you tell me what are the taste characteristics of Dallas citrumelo and Taichang lemon?
Some people mention that Taichang Lemon can withstand -15°C but others say -9°C.
What about your experience with this one?

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Citrus General Discussion / Re: looking for interesting varieties
« on: December 02, 2022, 12:40:37 AM »
Here is a Russian site that may help you
http://forum.homecitrus.ru/

You already mentioned it above.
But I have the impression from searching a bit in Russian what the nurseries offer.
That their choice is quite small and the varieties offered not so resistant to the cold.
But I may be wrong, after all even in France many nurseries offer varieties not so resistant as that. The nurseries and garden centres around me don't offer much of anything interesting either.

But I think I'll also take a look at this forum.
See what information there is, after all it doesn't hurt.

And as for the rest, I don't see what the problem is with looking for varieties outside these borders.
I think we all do it.
Even if I hear that the current politics don't really help.

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Citrus General Discussion / Re: looking for interesting varieties
« on: December 02, 2022, 12:14:56 AM »
hello everyone, I'm a beginner citrus grower, my name is Daniel, I'm 16 years old, I live in Russia, I want to collect a collection of interesting varieties, can anyone share the branches for vaccinations?🥰
as a rootstock, I use pomelo or lemon seedlings, they are the most affordable for us

Daniil, you just mention 2 types of rootstock, lemon and pomelo.
This is also what I have seen offered in various Russian nurseries online.
Why don't you use more resistant rootstock like poncirus trifoliata or citrange?
If you want poncirus seeds, I can send you some.
You will see if you can get something or not.
As for the rest, political decisions are outside our common passion and should instead be a tool for peace and solidarity and not a call for exclusion.

The following message is a copy of a message sent to two acquaintances: one Russian and the other Ukrainian.
I have not heard from either side.
But I think that sharing it with you might not be a bad thing.

" Hi, I hope you are all well, despite the political and energy problems some of you will be experiencing this winter.

It's hard and very difficult for fellow Ukrainians or Russians to respond to this message without some sadness or hatred.

Passions often bring people together, where the games of politicians can generate rivalries, hatreds, and other unfriendly feelings.

Be careful to always take the other for what they are, not what others make you believe they are. This is how many misunderstandings and conflicts arise. Just over stories, half-truths and so on.

I am French and yet I am in no way in favour of the policies of my president Mr Macron.
In France there are political problems with differences between various political parties. And let's not forget that in France, the people made the revolution and killed their king and queen. However, that time was also a time of war between the French, the French for the king and against the king.
What I mean is that in the same country, values and political ideas can be very different. And it is never pleasant that such different values end up killing each other.

But let's not forget that our own passion teaches us diversity, teaches us to deal with different requirements: soil type, rootstock compatibility, high cultivation (trees), low cultivation (herbs, vegetables etc). Each of our garden citizens (metaphor) has their own personality and requirements with which we must learn to discuss or understand and find the right compromises. When I say good compromise it's because we all know very well that sometimes we have to prune to thin out. Sometimes you have to remove some plants that are too invasive to let others live and have their place. So you have to know how to be both the good guy and the bad guy when you have to.

Our passion also teaches us that it is difficult to demand that a variety accept to be what we want it to be if it is not its real will.
Indeed, a pear tree will not necessarily remain dwarf, another tree will not necessarily accept another type of soil. And of course, to achieve all this, you have to use methods that are a bit at odds with nature. Imposing vigour by rootstock or other methods.
But this is artificial and very difficult for humans to achieve, except perhaps through the media and education.
But once again against nature.

In conclusion of this message that some may consider inappropriate.
I wanted to remind you that each passion can teach man values. But also the opening to the world, to the understanding of creatures (plants) very different from us. And yet we try to learn how to make them grow in our home. Sometimes we even build houses for them (greenhouses).

Our passion is probably a great source of learning.
We are like kings in a garden where plants are citizens. We are therefore forced to understand, sometimes to tolerate and sometimes to reject etc.

Our passion is also one of the rare ones to teach us how to make things evolve. Hybridization has made it possible to develop the cultivation of citrus fruits outside their areas of origin. However, the poncirus is not the most pleasant of citrus fruits.

In humans it is a bit the same. Trying to change one crop into another will not work very well. On the other hand, taking the time to merge the cultures, to keep the best of each while preserving the memory of the ancestors. I think it's a lesson from nature that we can change a lot. But we have to open up to each other, but we also have to accept the other as much as they have to accept us. A form of marriage will take place and we will have an evolution that transcends the origins.

This is my message to you all. I hope that everyone will be able to understand what I have tried to explain.
Because times are going to be difficult, and it seems to me that instead of killing ourselves. They should come back to a different way to free themselves from the barriers of hatred and destruction that the politicians from above manage to impose on us

If you find this post relevant, feel free to share it.
PS: Good luck to all, hoping that all these political problems will lead to a quick and humane solution in the interest of all."


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Temperate Fruit Buy, Sell, & Trade / Wanted fig jolly tiger
« on: December 01, 2022, 09:04:25 PM »
Hello everyone.
Who has jolly tiger fig cuttings in stock?

I bought some on ebay in the spring.
Unfortunately, the plants I got show no sign of leaf variegation.

So I would like to know if anyone has any to trade or sell (depending on the price).
Either against fig tree scions, but my diversity is not yet enormous ( brown turkey, long August and madeleine of the 2 seasons ).
Or against a much larger selection if you want apple, pear etc

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Citrus Buy, Sell, & Trade / Wanted: Scions from rootstock no seeds
« on: December 01, 2022, 08:54:29 PM »
Hello to all.
After several searches, my problem is that I regularly come across offers to sell seeds for these species ( ebay, etsy etc ).

Citrumelo Sacaton
Citrumelo Swingle
Citrange Morton
             Carrizo
             Spaneet
             Rusk
             Benton
             Citradia

However I would like to find mature scions to graft and not use them as rootstock.
However it is quite complicated because many in France use them mainly as rootstock.
But I think that the best selections from these rootstocks are also interesting to grow for future crosses.
As some of you are already doing.

If some people can provide scions this spring, I have no problem paying or exchanging.


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I got some by taking cuttings from ebay. I wonder if it is the right variety in the end.
Conclusion, on the contrary I am looking for the aspect with beautiful variegated leaves.

I have the impression that it is much easier to get a fig tree with no variegated leaves.

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Update of my 2022 list ( I start with the varieties I am looking for, the varieties I offer are after )

All scions are $5. Except for the last three proposals which are 10 dollars per scion.
Plus shipping costs.


Red fleshed apple:
Grenadine,
rose d'helnut,
maggy,
hall's pink,
pendragon,
rubayat,
discovery,
lune rouge.

Cider variety:
Pendragon,
paradis,
mettais,
rouge bruyère,
tête de brebis,
domaine,
kingston black.

Low natural vigour:
Astracan rouge,
moisson lente,
margil

Semi-weeping (under the weight of the fruit) or weeping:
Erect:
calville rouge d'octobre,
framboise d'olovaust,
honeycrisp,
royal gala,
reinette bauman,
chailleux,
claque pépin.

Medium vigour:
pigeonnet de jérusalem,
gravenstein,
calville du roi,
calville blanc d'hiver,
clochard,
red délicious.

Fairly strong vigour:
court pendu gris,
belle fille de salin,
fenouillet gris,
grise du canada,
reinette du mans,
reinette de france,
court pendu rouge.

Variety of which I have not had enough experience with their vigour but which have a correct vigour.
Melrose,
calville noir,
bénédictin,
belle joséphine de la brie,
framboise d'oberland,
patte de loup,
reine des reinette,
winter banana,
transparente de croncel,
grand alexandre,
grand mère,
bonnante,
nouvelle france,
tienshan ( malus siversii ),
coeur de beauf,
violette de monbéliard.
Ingrid marie,
alant,
coeur rouge,
seestermuher zitronapfel,
purpurella,
william pride,
sekai ichi,
cumberland,
vitgylling,
osterreicher,
sayaka,
bohemia gold,
gorgerous, jumbo,
zimnya limona,
shizuka,
reinette simirenko,
sundance,
lobo,
cortland,
liberty,
rosemary russet
marie madeleine,
calville ananas de liège,
d'arcy spice,
alant,
pays bou,
guldborg,
jacque lebel,
coutras des pyrénés,
freyberg,
gorge cave,
belle de boskoop rouge,
rose de muolen,
norfolk royal russet,
cornish aromatic,
cornish gilliflower,
ramane,
reinette ananas

I have not indicated my list of varieties under cov as far as I know. If ever a nursery comes to me and says that I have an illegal variety. I will remove it but only on one condition: that they give me a copy of the official documents (cov, patent) of the variety as proof. Because until I have proof to the contrary the honeycrisp variety is free of rights, this being only an example.

If ever some want to realize seedlings of protected varieties (it is authorized in Europe and in France): You can ask me next year: red love era, red love circe, red love calypso, baya marisa.

And if you want to sow in order to obtain a dwarf: maloni sally, maloni lilly and mini cox apfel.
I specify only for seeds or for dwarfs for experimentation of intermediate grafting between a frank and the reproduced variety.
This way it remains legal.

In serviceberry I propose scions of serviceberry canadensis (to be cut or grafted on hawthorn or quince tree and then to freeing).

European plum:
Anna spath,
reine claude violette,
reine claude dorée,
reine claude oullins,
prunelier à fruit doux,
mirabelle de nancy,
mirabelle de metz,
mirabelle parfumé de septembre,
sainte catherine, quetsch d'alsace,
debrescens,
birrwil,
prune d'or,
ramassine jaune,
jaune de fey, frigga,
jaune de granichen,
rosalotte reine claude,
victoria,
sucron,
goutte d'or,
belle de louvain,
kometa kuban,
bourbaki,
sinikka ,
sloupovita kolonovidnaya,
chervena afaska,
quetsch blanche de létricourt,
Adara

Japanese plum:
black amber,
black star,
burbank,
eldorado,
burgundi.

Hybride:
Cerny barchat ( type plumcot ), .

Also possible
Citrus fruit:
Hana yuzu,
Seville sour orange,
Sichuan pepper

Pear:
tsisovskaja,
kafedralnaja,
vasarine sviestine,

plum: opal,
delikatnaja
and the Nadia hybrid

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So I will give my point of view in 3 directions.

1) Every year I donate ( so I only charge the shipping costs ) scions only in my country.
This represents 80% of the time I spend on shipping. I don't make any money, but I allow the beginner to build up a base of varieties with very common varieties.
I only go to the small post office box (not the post office) to send them during my weekend walk (so I don't lose time) and I don't use the car.


2) For exchanges or sales, I usually do the same which allows me to accept small purchases. However, for requests from people outside of France, I now impose a minimum because I have to go to the post office. So take the car and use gasoline that I do not put in the price of scions.
Knowing that the sales represent 5% of the shipments. The other 15% is from exchanges.

3) After that for the purchases:
You have to look at 2 methods when there is a minimum:
Either I buy more varieties (to reach the minimum) but which interest friends for exchanges.
Or I ask if some people want to make the order with me to buy in large quantities.
Here are 2 ways that allow you not to be bothered by the minimum purchase obligation.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: would you chargeback an order?
« on: February 23, 2022, 05:51:55 AM »
First research what you can get in your country if there is no phytosanitary certificate.

Because maybe the goods are held by customs, because the content is not allowed without a phytosanitary certificate.

Always be aware of the laws that govern this in your country and in other countries.
Also to avoid that some exaggerate by asking for documents when there is no need for it.

Small recent story:
I noticed when I was trying to find out how to order annona seeds from TopTropicals.com.
Some nurseries or sellers think that the US rules are the same as in Europe.
I have been asked for a phytosanitary permit for seeds and to be able to start the procedure for the phytosanitary passport.
But it's funny because in Europe it's mainly plants that need it. Scions and cuttings depend on the country of destination (if the species represents a sanitary danger) but it is case by case depending on the country. Seeds are considered low risk and therefore do not require a plant passport in Europe (but there may be exceptions depending on the country).
Information obtained by the DRAAF in France.

Oh yes for information fruitlovers, the plant passport is not enough. It is also necessary to be an approved nursery in your country, to send seeds to the USA.

Each country has its own laws, always check first.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Sending a plant to USA
« on: February 23, 2022, 05:34:48 AM »
It's not at all forbidden. You just need to get a phytosanitary certificate from your country's agriculture department. Call them to see what the requirements for that are. Many private couriers don't like to deal with plants, some outright don't do it. It might be better if you can send it express EMS through regular postal service. You could also send it air freight, which would be a lot faster, but more costly.

Oh yes for information fruitlovers, the plant passport is not enough. It is also necessary to be an approved nursery in your country, to send seeds or scions to the USA.

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Cold Hardy Citrus / Re: Carolina lime questions
« on: February 08, 2022, 10:00:24 PM »
Native to Europe, but where in Europe?
I would like to know where he found it.

This little carolina lime makes me envious.
Especially considering the rusticity he claims to have.

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Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Re: Cold hardy avocado seeds
« on: February 08, 2022, 05:47:51 PM »
There are many requests and it is difficult to find members who will have all the varieties. My own requests for the last 2 years have had little response.

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Cold Hardy Citrus / Re: Carolina lime questions
« on: February 08, 2022, 05:34:52 PM »
Yes, I too would like to see photos comparing the two plants.

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Cold Hardy Citrus / Carolina lime questions
« on: February 07, 2022, 06:50:09 PM »
Hi all, I am looking for info on the carolina lime variety ?
This variety would be resistant according to Stan McKenzie (on a publication I read) at -8°F.
Have any of you grown this variety near a dragon lime to be able to tell what the differences are ?

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Do you have any idea about the hardiness of this species ?
Resistant or not to Phytophthora cinnamomi ?
Have you tried rootstock for the other avocados ?

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Avocado dusa et albaida
« on: February 06, 2022, 12:41:11 PM »
The problem is that until recently you were forbidden to grow it outside the rules that the company holding the rights granted (because of the patent), which is rather normal.
Now, it remains to be seen if you can get some, since the patent seems to have expired.
But I don't know where you can buy scions.
Because as Spaugh says, it seems that nurseries still don't want to share him.

But Spaugh, can you confirm that it's okay to cut the grafted variety and let the rootstock grow to get scions?
Or do they still hold the right to forbid you to do that?

It's just a question to understand what possibilities they have to sue someone who would use their variety now that the patent has expired.
You probably know this better than I do.

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Temperate Fruit Buy, Sell, & Trade / Wanted: decaisnea insignis seeds
« on: February 06, 2022, 12:26:48 PM »
Hi

It's all in the title, if any member has any to sell

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Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Wanted: annona seeds
« on: February 06, 2022, 12:23:31 PM »
Hi

I am looking for seeds of the following species:
1) annona golden sugar ( pineapple sugar apple, honey sugar apple )
2) annona rugulosa
3) annona stenophyla
4) annona sylvatica ( auranticum de cabonho verde )
5) annona crassiflora
6) annona glabra
7) annona cacans

If any member is selling seeds or even fruits, please let me know in mp.

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I am looking for the following varieties:

Peruvian Blue ( bleu du Pérou )
krassawa
french fingerling
Swiss mountain black ( noir des montagnes Suisses )
biogold

If any member is selling potato, please let me know in mp.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Avocado dusa et albaida
« on: February 04, 2022, 07:42:05 AM »
Yes spaugh, I suspected that, but it's always interesting to get other opinions.

Fortunately in my case I don't have just 1 plot so not one soil type. This allows me to choose the ideal location. Even if I admit that having rootstocks that would allow me to plant such a crop on any type of soil would not displease me.

The question is also because some people are interested in it on another forum, that's the main reason for my question.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Avocado dusa et albaida
« on: February 03, 2022, 11:45:02 AM »
After searching the web, I have gathered various information about the avocado Dusa.
https://patents.google.com/patent/US20030051278P1/en
https://patents.google.com/patent/USPP15309P3/en
https://gregalder.com/yardposts/avocado-rootstocks-what-do-they-matter/
https://www.westfaliafruit.com/for-growers/our-rootstocks/

I am curious to know what members who use it as rootstock can tell me about it.

The nursery ( https://www.subtropicanurseries.com/ ) seems to use it, but I doubt if they can send it to Europe for non-professionals.

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