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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Eugenia Cross Species Grafting
« on: February 23, 2024, 11:49:36 PM »
My Neilta seedling from Kevin Jones is probably the best tropical cherry Ive eaten.  I had several last year in its first year producing and all were large fruit and excellent flavor.  The Garnet seedling was also a solid fruit, but if memory serves correctly, one level down from Neilta but better than both my in ground Exotica CORG seedlings. I was planning to graft them all (with orange CORG) to my 6ft, in ground seedling CORG that rarely produces a full size fruit. I only get runt fruit with no seeds with the occasional full sized, blah tasting fruit on this tree.

I planted a Kevin Jones Nelita at my office and it also produced full size fruit effortlessly on its first try. Good flavor, but not as good as my Exotica seedling. There is for sure some variance in seedlings off the same tree. Those runt fruits are interesting. I had only those for a few years off my Exotica and tree and now it produces the biggest of all my varieties. Are all your CORG close by to each other?

I really gotta come visit!

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Eugenia Cross Species Grafting
« on: February 23, 2024, 07:33:35 PM »
I regularly graft Garnet (Calycinia) onto Nelita with much success.
Nelita fruit is a prolific producer of small coffee-bean-like seeds which readily sprout for rootstock.


I ponder that Nelita is a cross of CORG and Calycina. Calycina has definitively drier and narrower leaves than CORG does if it's the real deal.

It seems that Calycina and CORG should be totally compatible, they're nearly identical other than very small details, and in Brazil were merged into the same species recently.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Eugenia Cross Species Grafting
« on: February 23, 2024, 01:41:14 PM »
I've only gotten a few fruits from each but the orange ones were excellent and the red ones very bland.  Might be luck of the draw with seedling genetics.   I actually have two orange COTRGs and when the second one fruits I'll have a better sample size.

If it was your first fruiting, that would explain it, especially if they were small or seedless. Do you have two types for cross pollination? I didn't get proper fruit set till I had a variety of them flowering at the same time, and they were mature. Funny, I have had a few orange CORG fruits and didn't find them outstanding in any way. I hope to get a bunch more this year.

What size were your CORG fruits?

Here's a selection of mine, but I think these are mostly El Dorado

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Two one gallon pawpaws have shipped . . .
« on: February 23, 2024, 01:09:11 PM »
Would echo the other posters that you should put this in ground ASAP. I would agree with others that a bit of shade will be appreciated by the plant. I don't think Floridians should shy away from them, MarkLee has fruited them in deep south CA which under 100 chill hours. It's worth a shot!

I have a pawpaw seedling.
The leaves burn faster than cherimoya.
Im hiding it under an avocado tree.

I have had this issue with mine here in CA too, they really hate the low humidity 100+ weather I frequently get, but I hear they take it just fine up in Los Gatos where there is a commercial orchard. I hope this year they finally settle in, a lot of CA growers have said it takes several years for them to really find their feet.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Eugenia Cross Species Grafting
« on: February 23, 2024, 12:11:03 PM »
I hope you have success on the subsequent tries!

I have a decent size COTRG now that I will probably trash because the orange type is so much better.  I am just giving it a few more crops to be certain.  If I can use it as a multi-eugenia rootstock it might be worth keeping around for that.

Orange CORG better than CORG? I am.... Surprised. Get some selected varieties, I think CORG is the best eugenia in my yard.

In order of fruit quality I have:

1 . My rootstock from Exotica
2. ScottR
3. Garnet from Kevin Jones
4. Ben's Beaut
5. El Dorado (unique and tasty flavor, just makes lots of seeds per fruit)

I do hear people occasionally get insipid seedlings. That may be what you have? Strongly recommend top working it. I can spare some scions this year for sure.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Eugenia Cross Species Grafting
« on: February 23, 2024, 11:44:18 AM »
Any idea what the success rate of grafting self-type is?  Like regular COTRG onto itself.  Maybe eugenias have low take rate?

I am basically 100% success rate with CORG onto itself. I'd rank it one of the easiest grafting fruit trees in my yard. I have tried calycina onto CORG a few times, with no takes, but interestingly calycina to calcycina has always been 100% for me as well when I've sourced scion from other members. I kind of gave up on the calycina onto CORG cause I have a really big one of each. There wasn't much point. There is no doubt that they should be compatible though.

Orange CORG to CORG should be compatible, I'll go try it again today. I think ScottR used some of my orange scion on his CORG with success.

I should also report that I tried out campomanesia cross grafting with:

Hirsuta x Guazumifolia = didn't work

Campomanesias seem really hard to graft because of how thin the cambium layer is, it's paper thin compared to most. The same is true for many eugenias, but I do think any peeling bark species are more forgiving.

That's Spaugh, search for his posts, he also has some good stuff on YouTube

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Eugenia Cross Species Grafting
« on: February 22, 2024, 06:33:47 PM »
I was pretty disappointed that none worked, honestly. I did find that most psidium is compatible, though, so that was a good find. I'm going to do a lot more psidium grafting this year.

Guineense x Guajava is growing stoutly this year.

I purchased HLG lights for a grow tent, and after a lot of research decided to go for quantum board style LED lights from Alibaba, specifically from Meiju. They both have 10s of thousands of hours on them by now.

I've found absolutely no difference in effectiveness between the two boards. I tried pulling the HLG out and ran 2x 240w Meijus for a run. Identical results. I have 2x Meiju, 1x HLG. I wouldn't bother spending triple on the HLG again.

Arrived at my house for about $170 delivered.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Eugenia Cross Species Grafting
« on: February 22, 2024, 02:02:50 PM »
None of these worked. The repanda on pitanga had some buds, but probably just stored energy in the scion.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Moving a Guava
« on: February 21, 2024, 07:33:05 PM »
Echoing other posters, guavas are pretty tough. If you have to reduce the roots by 50% to get it out, cut back the canopy the same amount. You'll be gravy in a few years. I've hacked up many guavas over the years and they always come back firing.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Ice cream bean questions
« on: February 21, 2024, 05:41:16 PM »
They absolutely don't do frost, and will defoliate and suffer in the 32-40f range.

Hmm... My greenhouse spends a lot of the winter in that range, though never below freezing. I count 38 days below 40F so far this winter, with a winter low of 33.6F. I guess I'll give it a try at least, with low expectations.

I would say 35f is where I start to see them become uncomfortable, but they take it here and there. I do have a seedling in ground in truly the worst soil on my property, fully exposed, and it has done very well this year with no protection, probably visited 34.5f. Last year it completely defoliated with a light frost, about 30f, this year it's still looking good. It has been a very mild winter, though.

I think if you have good soil and can get it growing robustly, it can shake off the cold each spring well enough. You should be fine drymifolia!

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Ice cream bean questions
« on: February 21, 2024, 01:11:02 PM »
I had a very large fruiting one in a pot that put it in reverse and died back eventually, I think due to girdling roots. I since planted it in ground, and it has not been fairing well in my 9b climate. Last year it got sent back to about 2" above ground from frost. It was previously nearly 6'.

They absolutely don't do frost, and will defoliate and suffer in the 32-40f range.

It is a good question. The furthest north I've personally seen them fruiting is Santa Cruz, but as you point out that's pretty nice overall.

Here is a link to Marta Matvienko's blog, she's in Davis, and is reporting on fruits from her friend's white sapote, likely local:

I think you should be good to go in Sebastapol, can't imagine why they wouldn't work for you.

Edit: she also has them fruiting in her yard in Davis:

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Are black and white sapote worth it
« on: February 20, 2024, 03:07:54 PM »
The season for white sapote is ending right now for SoCal, if I'm correct. I don't know of where else you can source it from as easily as from here. I've never seen it in Asian grocery stores, or similar. At the SB farmer's market it is somewhat common, but always truly miserable seedling quality.

Raindance Seeds / Brian Laufer was selling boxes of fruit recently, see if you can get a box from him. His post isn't far down in the BST

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Are black and white sapote worth it
« on: February 20, 2024, 01:59:41 PM »
  The best white sapote easily goes head-to-head with the best cherimoya by my humble, subjective opinion.

+1 on this sentiment.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Miracle gro for cherimoya?
« on: February 19, 2024, 08:13:29 PM »
Cherimoya will do ok in a peat soil, but citrus or cactus soil also works fine. Make sure you get a very deep pot, they get a deep tap root.

This forum is full of incredible resources and decades of experience. You'd have found someone with this cultivar already if it existed, but it seems like you're more dedicated to the legend of this online only fruit than the real world experience of members. That's the friction here.

As you explain, this cultivar is nowhere to be found, other than in marketing materials from Volcano Winery, that members report is of low quality, or from TopTropicals which has a storied history of falsifying cultivars. Who you going to believe?

I wish you luck finding it, and will leave it at that! Do report in this thread when you find it.  :)

Either this is fabulous trolling on your part BayTropics, or you're suffering the worst case of confirmation bias I've ever seen.

Bush2Beach has spent many days in HI, had the wine himself, what more confirmation do you need?

If this "Vino Tinto" variety was grown and sold at Pine Island as a cultivar, ever, I can guarantee a collector here has it and has probably already fruited it. I would believe a grower on this forum before any commercial enterprise which has profit on the line, juiced by creative marketing and story telling.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Are black and white sapote worth it
« on: February 19, 2024, 12:08:41 PM »
since these are the only two fruits with the sapote name i have not tried, i think i will wait till i go back to mexico or costa rica, or my local asian markets have some. i am getting a lot of white sapote support so i will consider it. pot proficiency is a plus for white sapote to!

Fair warning that most of the seedling white sapote I've tried has been underwhelming. What you find, even at a farmer's market, can often be just ok cause it's some random seedling. Now, a selected cultivar picked and ripened to perfection? White sapote is a keeper!

Order some black sapote from Lara Fruit Farms. Some sellers here will ship you white sapote too, just keep an eye out. Bonus: you'll also get seeds

A master class in marketing by Volcano Winery.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: is there a good general tropical soil mix
« on: February 18, 2024, 10:13:01 PM »
Any of the peat based cannabis soil options you can find at a hydroponics store have all ticked the boxes for me for container grown tropicals: quick draining, mildly acidic, very little wood products, and lots of perlite.

The "Patio Plus' Kellogg soil from Home Depot is *close* to as good, but incorporates substantially more wood products which turn to muck eventually. Sadly, I had to re-do most of my plants I put in this stuff and have swapped back to OceanForest. For something VERY fast growing, like a guava or mulberry, you can use the Patio Plus with no issue. For jaboticaba, eugenia, and the like, no go. OceanForest is a great permanent medium for me. Once a plant fills the whole pot with roots, you can root prune it, or up-pot, and you're good to go. The medium from 1, 3, 5, 10, 15g etc is still fine long term.

It is very hard to beat FoxFarm OceanForest as a ready made out of the box product. It does become prohibitively expensive when your plants get to be over 15 gallon, but that's some years out. Luckily I get it at commercial pricing.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Are black and white sapote worth it
« on: February 18, 2024, 10:09:50 PM »
White sapote is superior to black sapote, and I think the former is definitely worth growing. Black sapote, especially the named varieties, is pretty good but bland. I wouldn't devote the space to it unless I had lots. I would make space for white sapote, and have several in ground at home which I'll top work.

Just because it's on the internet, doesn't make it true. Careful!

Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Himalayan Mulberry scions
« on: February 17, 2024, 06:14:03 PM »
$5 each, min 4

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