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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Introduce Yourself
« on: May 11, 2019, 08:43:40 PM »
I would like to plant a black Persian mulberry and more mangoes in the future. Iím going to try to grow some Manila mangoes from seed.
Welcome here! In case you're not aware: you can get the persian mulberry in tree and bush form. Stay away from the weeping kind if you're looking for fruit production.

Citrus General Discussion / Re: Bloodlimes
« on: May 10, 2019, 10:14:58 PM »
Dang! How do I get one of those???

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Hoop house
« on: May 10, 2019, 09:13:45 PM »
I don't think TAC is a scam. See for example. Since I've added a TAC filter to my house I've had fewer scaling problems with my instant hot water heater. I also see the difference in the rest of the plumbing and cooking. The magnetic "descaler" works as well, but is much less effective than TAC and it's not just a couple of magnets affixed to a pipe. Interesting stuff, actually.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Pineapple identification help
« on: May 10, 2019, 04:12:32 PM »
Is there any ilustrated  chart or catalog/handbook describing the varieties of pineapples ?
I have the same question... Some resources I found:
- (has a varieties list sub-page)
- (not too useful for ID, has too many varieties :-) and not all that much descriptive info)
- (not much info)

Do I understand correctly that you're using your own selected rootstock? How many seedlings did you plant to arrive at one that "works"? Did you select with all of them in-ground?

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Introduce Yourself
« on: May 10, 2019, 02:40:49 PM »
Glad to have found my old friends at the old citrus forum. Would be glad to meet new friends and fellow enthusiasts here.

Whoa! Nice to see you here, welcome!

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Hoop house
« on: May 10, 2019, 11:15:40 AM »
That fogger looks interesting indeed. I look forward to hearing how it works! It's not cheap enough for me to just buy one to try out...

I'm pretty new here but have now posted 61 messages, so I thought I might as well post a little intro thread with some images. We're in the mountains just north of Santa Barbara, California at 2100' (640m). We get marine influence but a lot more heat at daytime and typically colder at night time than down by the coast. Sometimes it's foggy and humid, specially at night and morning, other times it can be very dry with little measurable relative humidity.

We get some light frost most years, and fewer and fewer years with real frost. We planted some low-medium chill stone fruit in 2002 and they gave us great fruit for a number of years, but the last 5 years have been very spotty. Global warming at work...
One of the challenges we have is daily winds in the late afternoon that can be quite strong. Anything with delicate foliage just gets shredded if it's not protected. It's not the wind speed per-se, it's the daily occurrence that gets the plants.

Here's the very beginning of the orchard in 2002, making terraces by hand and planting the typical citrus one finds in the nurseries:

Eight years later, the trees had grown nicely and we planted more:

Nice Algerian Clementine harvest 9 years after initial planting:

The soil is basically sand from all the boulders that you see around. We're on a sandstone escarpment and there's only a thin layer of organic matter. Depth of soil before hitting rock is a couple of feet, as in 2-3 feet... We got a lot of tree chips from clearing and from a number of pines that succumbed to a borer. I deliberately installed sprinkler irrigation so the mulch gets water year round and decomposes nicely. Now the soil around the oldest trees is really, really nice. We use no fertilizers other than mulch and compost and no pesticides.

We kept expanding the orchard, this was 3 years ago:

And some of the most recent trees in 2018, citrus from CCPP budwood grafted onto C-35 and some Pomegranates:

A few months ago:

Yes, the trees have more of an ocean view than our house...

Of course all this looks bucolic, but the grim reality is often different. All the above photos are really of a war zone. It's us vs. them. Thankfully there aren't a lot of "them" interested in the citrus, but that's not the case for the other trees.

Persian Mulberry:



I'm skipping the images of the gopher traps, which are deployed somewhere virtually year-round.

An as a true addict I have the next set of grafted trees in the greenhouse:

More to follow...

That Italian forum has some interesting posts :-). Do you guys have no HLB issues?

Cold Hardy Citrus / Re: Valentine and Cocktail pomelo cold response
« on: May 10, 2019, 12:03:40 AM »
Interesting! I have a 1-year old valentine in the ground and just grafted cocktail, but not on the same tree... -8C is possible here, but very uncommon, I hope the trees grow big before that happens, if it does.
What frost cover do you use, is that spun polyester or plastic? I can't quite tell from the photo. Also, I wonder whether it would help to keep it a little away from the plant?
I did some measurements with a medium-weight spun poly floating row cover draped over a small banana. The result was the same inside temperature as outside, but those measurements were above freezing. On their own these covers do not increase the minimum temperature. There has to be something else that raises the temp and then the cover helps a little to keep that in. I have the feeling it's quite tricky to ensure that there is this "something else" and a tiny tree like you have or the small banana that I was trying to protect just don't have it. For next winter I'll have to read-up on the best way to combine irrigation with cover and stuff like that, or resort to xmas illumination under the covers...  Fortunately we mostly don't really need it, but I'd like to understand it better.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Hoop house
« on: May 09, 2019, 12:02:45 AM »
If you are paying for city water, probably just plant a bunch of dense bushes around an area, get some canopy trees or shade cloth, and make a protected area instead of a GH. 

The issue I see is the shade. For shade plants, yeah; the difficult situation is for plants that should get more or less full sun. I've been wondering about using some insect barrier covering or something like that. Should let >80% of sunlight through. Dunno how much of the humidity it keeps in if it's just the overhead part.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Hoop house
« on: May 08, 2019, 04:51:01 PM »
spaugh, any idea yet about the level of humidity on hot&dry days? Or did you just ditch the misting this winter? I'm wondering what I can do in terms of hoop house or similar in the summer to increase humidity without spending a lot of water and without having to run big fans for cooling due to plastic covering, etc. I.e., I'm wondering what the minimum is to create a bit of a microclimate that captures the plant transpiration...

Thanks for the clarifications!!!

Citrus General Discussion / Re: Old gardenweb
« on: May 07, 2019, 12:31:29 AM »
The static old citrus forum site is awesome! The gardenweb -> houzz transition not so much... While we're on that topic, I'm new here and have been wondering about the future. Who pays for this forum and who manages backups? I.e., what are the chances someone will need to set-up a static archive copy of this forum in 5 years time? I tried to find an answer but I don't see anything mentioned anywhere...

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Fruit Bearing Bushes for 9B
« on: May 06, 2019, 06:20:40 PM »
Persian mulberry, bush form. Love 'em, not as purely sweet as the pakistani mulberries (trees).

Cool heater!
If you heat-exchange to a liquid, do you end up with more long-wave radiation than if you had just an air-air heat exchange? Is that easier to keep contained in the GH or harder?
If you have hot water you can heat the soil, but I don't know up to what point that's beneficial...
Have you had a condensing heater of some form? I did and I'm glad I no longer have. It was a total disaster from a maintenance point of view (corrosion).

Citrus General Discussion / Re: Bark grafting?
« on: May 05, 2019, 12:05:40 AM »
The caption said soil and grass in order to control moisture...

Citrus General Discussion / Re: Bark grafting?
« on: May 04, 2019, 05:53:57 PM »
Did you see a video/image showing the 'after'? Did any of these take? How does the tree look like 2-3 years later?

I selected my greenhouse design so that pollinators can easily come and go at will.  2' roof vent, 4' drop down guillotine vent (which I hate cause it's leaky).
Mark, what would you use instead of the guillotine vent if you got to redo it? (what a name for just a window....)

SeaWalnut, that geodesic dome looks nice! A wood heater sounds like a lot of work during long cold nights, though...

Citrus General Discussion / Re: Meyer lemon, why?
« on: May 04, 2019, 11:02:02 AM »
I agree that it's not the most useful tree/fruit, however:
- it's prolific, lots of fruit year round even on a small tree
- it looks beautiful, much nicer shape than a lemon, at least in my experience
- it's a fruit you don't find for pennies at the supermarket
- it has a distinctive taste that you can't substitute with lemon or lime, e.g. in ice cream or a tart
So our tree is definitely here to stay, but I would definitely get a lime and lemon first...

I have 2 varieties of bananas.  Want to get a Blue Java.
Before you order that 'blue java' you may want to read, especially the tasting notes a bit down the thread.
Also, unless you order from someone you really trust your chances of getting an actual Blue Java are slim, from what I'm reading...
(I don't know anything about bananas, I'm just starting to explore and order...)

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Introduce Yourself
« on: May 03, 2019, 11:25:16 AM »
So, basically, I was wrong.
It seems that some tropical/subtropical plants can indeed be cultivated in my house, as long as they do have some wind resistance. My goal now is to find those grafted varieties that actually bear descent fruits!
Welcome to the forum! Your English is excellent!

It sounds like your first step should be to plant windbreaks. What do farmers on the island use for that purpose? Plant some! Yes, it will take a long time before you have a real wind break, it's an investment into the future, but once the plants get tall you will be so happy. (You can always plant some bamboo, I guess, I'm having decent luck with B. Oldhamii and I hear B. Textilis work well too.)

Citrus Buy, Sell, & Trade / Re: Budwood
« on: May 02, 2019, 11:50:59 AM »
Most likely, but the variety won't be as wide. I usually order a stick from 4 or 5 varieties together with the s&h it comes out to around $30, which is more than a tree from Lowes or Home Depot but still cheaper than a tree from a nursery. I'm in Cali tho, so I get the "playa price", it'll be a little more for those out of state.
Just a heads-up that it's now $1.5/bud for CA residents, so $9/budstick. Shipping is $13 for a small qty. So one stick from 4-5 varieties will set you back over $50. The main issue I have is that I was good at doing cleft grafts using a stick each, now I need to switch to bud grafts...

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: My pot garden
« on: May 01, 2019, 11:16:57 PM »
Me neither  :o

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Need citrus tree ID please
« on: May 01, 2019, 11:16:32 PM »
You perhaps overlooked pvaldes' comment: "The remaining tree has the narrow wings in the petiole common in lemons"

WRT grafting: I assume that you will get shoots where you cut. Keep 4-6 going 'til next spring. By then you will know how much you like the fruit on the tree and whether you want to add something else to it. You can do that then and IMHO it will be easier and look better. 4-6 shoots will give you enough redundancy so you'll end up with at least 1-2 grafts that take :-). At least, that's what I would do...

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