The Tropical Fruit Forum

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When does this flower I can send the link to delay fruit set as well.

One In the desert Colorado , Utah etc. called Round leaf buffaloberry  Shepherdia
shepherdia rotundifolia

I have wanted to try these You could always Ask here Minnesota Wild flowers

https://minnesotawildflowers.info/shrub/silver-buffaloberry

Note In there Native Environment they can be aggressive even ...

Minnesota or 1000 lakes are , and Montana more west  are different Climates but the range is out that way you may look for seeds from 2 eco types to see what works best

Hey do you have seeds of Boothe Chaffey

Did you see My request post for stressing these in the cold extreme mid west (Chicago land )

I do not expect to get them here really it is a very short season
but if I can get them to handle Even colder Temps I'd be happy
(over multiple Generations of seed growing from each Offspring )

They want 15 bucks a pound (30$ one Cherimoya) here at this time
It would be cheaper to buy a plane ticket to get seeds .

I had some from the Store Two Years Ago , and had the trees out Non dormant Below the 20's in Chicagoland till Thanks Giving I brought them in a lot of days after 4 in the Morning (for several hours)
 I spent a lot of time staying home to baby these when I was off work for a full week .

Yep stayed home over a Month When I could have left I could have did this till Christmas Since it was a Mild winter 2023 but had to get on a flight (I work a week full time get off a Week.)

These where all in a pot together

You ever use a Food mill to remove seeds makes quick work or 5 gallon buckets of American Persimmon fruit with seeds.


Hey that sounds good with the Cinnamon

Might be good with Yogurt or fermented (Sour aged ) Coconut milk

you saw this on Wayne's Word  Explains Hybrids pretty good
(link  ) https://www.waynesword.net/hybrids1.htm







2. Origin Of Parthenocarpic (Seedless) Fruits
The botanical term parthenocarpy refers to the development of the ovary of a flower into a fruit without fertilization. [The biological term parthenogenesis refers to the development of an egg without fertilization.] Fruits that develop parthenocarpically are typically seedless. Some seedless fruits come from sterile triploid plants, with three sets of chromosomes rather than two. The triploid seeds are obtained by crossing a fertile tetraploid (4n) plant with a diploid (2n) plant. When you buy seedless watermelon seeds, you get two kinds of seeds, one for the fertile diploid plant and one for the sterile triploid. The triploid seeds are larger, and both types of seeds are planted in the same vicinity. Male flowers of the diploid plant provide the pollen which pollinates (but does not fertilize) the sterile triploid plant. The act of pollination induces fruit development without fertilization, thus the triploid watermelon fruits develop parthenocarpically and are seedless. Most bananas purchased at your local supermarket came from sterile triploid hybrids. The fruits developed parthenocarpically and are seedless.

Close-up view of fleshy, berrylike (baccate) banana fruits. The small black dots inside are the remnants of aborted ovules that did not mature into seeds. Since this fruit develops on a sterile plant without fertilization it is termed parthenocarpic. The following cross shows one plausible origin of the seedless banana:


he cultivated banana is often listed in botanical references as Musa x paradisiaca (Musaceae), although it is actually a complex hybrid derived from two diploid Asian species, M. acuminata and M. balbisiana. Common cultivated bananas are usually triploid (3n) with three sets of chromosomes. [Note: The word "set" is defined here as one haploid set of chromosomes.] If A represents one haploid set of chromosomes from diploid M. acuminata (AA) and B represents one haploid set of chromosomes from diploid M. balbisiana (BB), then hybrid bananas have three sets of chromosomes represented by AAB, ABB or another 3-letter (triploid) combination of A's and B's. Like seedless watermelons and red grapes, bananas are sterile and do not produce mature seeds. [Sometimes you can find aborted ovules inside the fruit that appear like tiny black dots.]

In the formation of gametes during normal meiosis, homologous chromosomes must pair up with each other during synapsis of prophase I. Like other odd polyploids (with 3 sets of chromosomes), bananas are sterile and seedless because one set of chromosomes (A or B) has no homologous set to pair up with during synapsis of meiosis. Therefore meiosis does not proceed normally, and viable gametes (sex cells) are not produced. Since banana fruits (technically berrylike ripened ovaries) develop without fertilization they are termed parthenocarpic. Without viable seeds, banana plants must be propagated vegetatively (asexually) by planting corms, pieces of corms or sucker sprouts.



Some of these other articles you may need to search through internet archive (or wayback machine)

Rex see Here
some said taste like grass
Not when smoked
Just had some Commercial stuff like that
(around same time someone gave me a sip of 150 buck tequila with same flavor )

https://www.foragingtexas.com/search/label/Caffeine

Quickly

 2 selections of Romaina ‘Vitroplant 2’ and ‘Vitroplant 3

https://www.actahort.org/books/772/772_28.htm

(random from after searching Asimina )
THE ANNONACEAE AND THE ANNONACEAE PROJECT: A BRIEF OVERVIEW OF THE STATE OF AFFAIRS

I have a few more new cultivars over seas just do not want to dig them up now.

I am out looking for wild mulberries in ChicagoLAND area (we get -20F or -28 C) deja vu

Just outside The airport (Midway /BNSF train (home ) I found a wild sour one , but not sure if fully ripe (they looked like it)

I do have some wild ones (white hybridized with our native red)

They fruit later in Mid August (not early July or mid July ) (I am looking for such on forum as well.)

Ever think of trading pollen ?

Keep in Mind (Morus) Mulberries also have disease you do not hear about
Pop corn Disease on fruit & others on twigs ...

Thank you 

I haven't been able to taste fruit of all varieties yet, but of most in my collection.

My favorite so far is the variety "Saharanpur".
They are incredibly sweet and have no acidity, the aroma is very reminiscent of peach and Greengages, especially the cultivar "Große Grüne Reneklode".

But most mulberries have a very good taste for me, the diversity in taste is a very nice thing.

I see you like sweet all the ones around are just sweet
I was looking more for a sour flavor ?

If they dry on the tree that is one characteristic I am looking for as well
(that is different for different uses ) -- I may have one(and seeds) , but it's new to me so not sure yet

OH I got some banana vinegar as well

Wish I had more time
(this all may go in one or 2 jars)

(I use the spend grape pulp of a 16 Ounce salsa jar,
and I may culture a large volume from 15 pounds of spend grape pulp (or (grape) must a wine term)

(of coarse the spent Fry red Muscadine pulp ( white carlos supernonog)
 will what I am guessing make about a half gallon of vinegar each )

I think this will be good to soak these (If I can freeze some before I leave)

See he recommends used pickle juice
My capers in fridge store bought are soaked in citrus acid

So I may try some variations (see below post )

https://www.foragingtexas.com/2009/01/sow-thistle.html

Copied from Forging Texas (not my photo)
(note my buds are smaller (if I have time I may grab some larger ones, and do trials )

Actually it is the first Home made wine I drank
My Next door neighbor is a older Dead Head  I knew since a Teenager
After she Moved She called up Her (A associate for business ) , and smeared Mulberry all over her Neck in her dim lit (long) driveway

He went screaming Thinking She's dead .

(she laughed when she told me , (I also dropped the 5 gallon jug of wine it was strong )

(note I do have my wine to age a year or so , but when getting large amounts in multiple 5 gallon batches I sometimes indulge Mulberry wine ages or mellows more quick maybe it is the high levels of malic acid (sharp acid found in Apples ) I do not I just know it mellows faster then most.)

(I also like flavor , her wine smelled scary at first, but actually I was surprised it tasted good , but very light (on taste) tasting )
 it was not really aged , but tasted smooth (not hot burning sensation  like vodka immature wines are known for ,
 but at the time (I didn't know anything about wine -- just the smell needed some time to mellow)

Hi I am hoping some forgers here are looking for late mulberries or any other unique quality ?

Also would like to see dry type fruit
Freeze dried a little unripe mulberries should be the next best thing

I may have a Species that dries like that (at least I have whole fruit dried ,
but have to monitor the tree to be certain
 (not a quality people want , but I do for other uses),
 ---> and have seeds of whole fruit dried the amount of  a sandwich zip lock bag full. )