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Variety #1: Excalibur_Red
Itís growing quite well, despite I confess I messed up by planting it in donated free mulch, which turned out to be a bit contaminated with some mini trash.

Variety #2: Cheena
I planted it about 2 months ago with the same contaminated dirt mentioned above.
It seems to be doing just fine.
Previously, another jackfruit variety (Mia_1) died at this same planting location.

Variety #3: Bangkok_Lemon (BL)?
This is my reasoning so far:
BL > Red_Morning (Beautiful color but mild_taste)
BL > Mia_1 (?; Kinda guessing here)
BL > NS_1 (My moderate_confidence conclusion after some research



What do you mean by mini trash and how does it hurt the health of the plant. I have seen city growers doing rooftop gardens using soda can as growth medium along with other trash.

Better is only about your taste buds. For me as far as taste NS1 is the bomb. It is both classic and complex flavor and wonderful texture.
Having said that it sound like bl would be right up you alley and very productive and easy to grow.

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Enjoy the fruits of your labor! Congrats.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Interest in Jackfruit on TFF
« on: February 10, 2024, 01:32:04 PM »
I stake many of my fruit trees, bamboo when small then when they get larger rebar sleeved with 1Ē pvc pipe to minimize abrasion..in south fl we have very little protection from wind. Summer thunder storm can flop a jak with no problem. It does not compare to a trellis but is a low cost and effective way to help trees stay upright in these sandy soils with high water table.
This to me is an interesting observation on hurricane Irma and Ian. The winds of Irma were close to cat 4 strength and we were hit directly with the eye passing right over us. Deep tap rooted mango trees 30 feet height were blown over. Air layered litchi trees the same height had some broken branches but not one even has a lean after the storm. I have many large litchi and mango trees too so this is not anecdotal. Other upright storm survivors were mamey sapote and sapodilla. Strangely only one of a dozen avocados blew over but most of them died later from standing water. My one and only jak at the time planted on west side of house mound was badly mangled but still stands. It had a canopy that was higher than the peak of the house but most of the tree was downwind in the height of the storm.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Interest in Jackfruit on TFF
« on: February 09, 2024, 03:04:51 PM »
I have several Jack seedlings, they are about 5 months old and doing pretty well, but the leaves do curl somtimes. im thinking of maybe using them as a rootstock for other members of the artocarpus family

Only healthy and vigorous seedlings will give the best chance of success.

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While youíre vacinity of ECHO you can visit Edisonís home in Ft Myers for a bit of Americana from that period.
Also Naples 5th ave for stroll and Naples Zoo \Gardens

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Grafting citrus to sapote
« on: February 05, 2024, 07:26:40 PM »
Sometimes even trees of the same species are not 100% compatible. About 25 years ago I grafted a few longans on longan seedlings just for curiosity. All survived and still alive but only 1 out of three had a healthy graft. This year I cut down the worst of the 3. When cut across the graft looking at the cambium it looked like a zig zag pattern not a continuous uninterrupted normal growth. The graft union from the outside also looked unhealthy with a corky bark. I should have documented it for educational uses but turned it into bio char instead.
The bottom line is that graft compatibility is something that can sometimes take decades to evaluate for long living trees. Moreover, there is an ethical line in claiming what has been grafted will stand the test of time if you are selling a grafted tree species that has not been proven. So experiment away but hold back on the conclusion for a bit and have fun.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Interest in Jackfruit on TFF
« on: February 05, 2024, 03:04:00 PM »

[/quote] Have you seen the research on growing jackfruit from cuttings? Pretty interesting stuff.
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I have and also trials on different rootstocks. Like I said you guys are way ahead of us.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Interest in Jackfruit on TFF
« on: February 05, 2024, 12:37:09 AM »
Which design hold up to high winds in hurricane\cyclone events. Iíve seen that experiments going on with trelesing in Australia to make them hold up better. Is Meadowcroft Farms in a cyclone prone area? Seems like the vase shape would make the trees more top heavy.

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Jumping up and down ;) very generous of you Timbogrow.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Interest in Jackfruit on TFF
« on: February 04, 2024, 12:43:10 AM »
So Meadowcroft Farms uses the vase shape on jaks. I do like their videos. Has there been studies done in Australia that compares central leader shape to vase in terms of production? It seems reasonable that you could get higher density with the central leader but less production per tree than with the vase shape that has four leaders spread out. You Aussies are way ahead of us, just thinking out loud.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Interest in Jackfruit on TFF
« on: February 03, 2024, 06:35:05 PM »
To the South of the Jackfruit was a massive Jacaranda tree. To the east was a shade producing Talipot palm. The Jackfruit chased the sun, went vertical and created most of it's canopy in a westward direction towering 15 ft over the north part of the house. Then a hurricane toppled the Jacaranda onto the house and was professionally removed. Jackfruit had full sun, barren trunk for 20 ft with high canopy and some fruit growing up high. No Bueno.

Yes, first 3 years I'd take the tree back a significant amount (35-40% canopy) at the beginning of the rainy season. After I looked to shape and encourage branching on the lower areas of the trunk. Taking top vertical developing branches allowed increased sap flow to the lower branches. It will happen, it takes time and vision. Pruning only prior to rainy season heals cut, no dead wood resulting.

So at no time in the pruning process did your tree have no canopy. 35-40% stimulated the limbless trunk to make lateral branches? And in effect reform the lower canopy now on the tree 5 years later? Was that how it happened?

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Interest in Jackfruit on TFF
« on: February 02, 2024, 11:38:06 PM »
Greater Good, when you say it took you 5 years did you prune a partial height each year till you ended up at that height? Tell us more. It looks healthy for sure. Is that an NS1?
Your work inspires me to do a better job keeping trees more manageable.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Mango Leaves - Varietal Differences?
« on: January 28, 2024, 03:09:56 PM »
Duncan will also get deep gree when older. Some trees like Malika have more narrow leaves than others but they are generally more similar than. Some flush red like glen when flushing others light green.

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I have a couple growing up Sabel pals for many years. I think they need a pollinator. The ones Iíve tried were a bit on the insipid side for my taste so never took them seriously to look for pollinator. But easy to grow with no attention from me.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Mamey sapote in 10b
« on: January 27, 2024, 06:45:09 PM »
I have a Pace about thirty years old in front of my house. They need water here. Of course the donít like frost and you should plan to protect it for the early years. They also love to be muched. Iíve also grown magaŮa,viejo and pantin with no problems. However, even older trees will die back under drought stress. That and weevils are the only issue that have hurt my trees.
That is great news artocarpus! That's a pretty awesome achievement as well. I plan on growing in the greenhouse for a couple winters to help it get bigger and is easier to protect it. Then I will plant it out in the yard. I have a low lying area that may be a good place for them to grow but the cold air does puddle up in that area is what concerns me.

With regard to water, mine are not planted in areas that collect water, not sure they would like that too much. They do need extra water that nature provides in our area meaning irrigation not wet feet. They have been very easy to grow so ďachievementĒ is a stretch. There are two trees that were in my old nursery area that outgrew their pots and doing fine. This year I finally cut the pots away from the trees and amended the soil around them and they are doing fine. Leave those low lying areas for mangos, nothing seems to bother them.
I have always had frost protection fabric on hand. Always be proactive and take frost seriously and you will be fine. One or two frosty nights can really screw you plans.


 nothing seems to bother them

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When and if you do patronize your local nursery be sure to get at least one or two approach grafts to one of your seedlings. Approach grafting is almost guaranteed even for a beginner. This way you are only paying half price or a third. After you get your approach grafts done then plant out your tree. You can approach graft anytime of the year whereas scion grafting for avocados is best done in the cooler drier months which can let you buy precious time to move things along out of the normal grafting season.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Mamey sapote in 10b
« on: January 27, 2024, 12:57:58 PM »
I have a Pace about thirty years old in front of my house. They need water here. Of course the donít like frost and you should plan to protect it for the early years. They also love to be muched. Iíve also grown magaŮa,viejo and pantin with no problems. However, even older trees will die back under drought stress. That and weevils are the only issue that have hurt my trees.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Various plant diseases.
« on: January 27, 2024, 12:47:55 PM »
With jaks, the first thing you might want to try is using deeper pots. For every inch of. Plant figure on double that for the fast growing delicate tap root. Also be sure to use a well aerated fast draining pot mix. Many times with jaks unhappy roots show up as leaf issues on top leaving the plant unable to deal and open to infections.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Interest in Jackfruit on TFF
« on: January 27, 2024, 12:27:00 PM »
Timbogrow, female flowers look like miniature fruit. If you look close you can see the uniform patter of little protuberances these will latter send out female parts that accept the pollen. The males are smooth. Peduncles are generally thicker on the females. Some male flowers have the ring so that is not as consistent way to tell.
Shot very sorry that Ian destroyed your tree. I did some experimenting adding epicotyl addition rootstocks to various jaks in ground and in pots. They all seemed to take and then they died off. It could have been the method that caused low take. The ones that made it are growing very fast.Only about 1 in ten survived. It seems that letting them get a pencil thickness size guarantees success.






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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Interest in Jackfruit on TFF
« on: January 26, 2024, 12:31:16 PM »
Timbogrow that is a fruit. You might be the first to officially review the OC here on forum. One member on the forum posted he tried one from a neighbors tree so years ago and it was the best jak he had all season. You can give a full review if that pup holds on.

FMfruitforest. Have you compared your original seedling to cultivar j31? I like the easy peel nature of your seedling. That is a valuable quality for any jak. Can you easy peel them when fruit is still on firm side?
As far as latex goes, even my cultivar NS1 is easy to work, but with a knife, when refrigerated before opening. A little sticky here and there bot no visible latex.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Interest in Jackfruit on TFF
« on: January 25, 2024, 01:53:46 PM »
Anyone ever had the banana crunch jackfruit cultivar? Supposed to be an excellent flavor with crunchy flesh.

This is exactly what had me start this topic. It seems in the past when new cultivars started to be introduced there was an excitement in the air and lots of discussion. Maybe we are it, meaning that group has retired from TFF or just lost interest. With any luck Timbogrow, your post will be answered in the not to distant future.

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Duncan is also easily pruned. Good production and no desease problems in SWF.

One thing more that you might already be thinking, this time make the ring around the tree bigger. Keep it mulched, weed free and edged to make it more idiot proof. Keep expanding that area under tree as it grows to help idiot proof it. Hopefully, there wonít be a bigger idiot next to your tree spraying again.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Interest in Jackfruit on TFF
« on: January 22, 2024, 11:48:36 PM »
Like mike said this is basically the mango forum and mango gets discussed over and over relentlessly which is great if youíre only interested in mango.

Many of us in tropical regions are growing much more than mango, jackfruit, durian, pulasan, rambutan etc only get discussed by a handful of posters mostly from nth qld Australia and a few from Hawaii and Costa Rica

I have much respect for the work growers in N Qld are doing with jacks and other tropicals. Mango and jak from you list above are most practical for fl growers. I try to keep up with all the research you guys are doing with the jak. From cultivar selection and promotion to hurricane protection you guys are on it. Also the work being done in other countries to help in grove management to battle decline from pathogens that are hitting hard on the jak cultivation in the Filipines and SE Asia.
One should not be surprised that jak growers in the relatively small tropical zones in Florida are not contributing on this forum. Maybe some are growing for pecuniary interest and donít feel it would be in their best interest. For me it is all about education and promotion for the love of jaks and tropical fruits.
I hope all you zone pushing posters with jaks in greenhouses and basements will fruit their trees. That is some real love of jak you guys are giving.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Interest in Jackfruit on TFF
« on: January 22, 2024, 02:24:38 AM »
Timbogrow and Fruitnoob, it really warms my heart to see whole families sharing. I am now working on my grand babies. The youngest one tells me her favorite fruit is jackfruit. We do have work to do on sharing, she wants it all. She eats a ton. So important enrichment for them and life long gift that they always have. They can learn so much when we make the time for them.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Interest in Jackfruit on TFF
« on: January 21, 2024, 07:15:25 PM »
Timbogrow, many people have mentioned how Black Golds being highly ornamental but looking at the Orange Crush also are good lookers. I especially admire the gracile leaves. They seem to be well adapted to our area looking healthy and happy. There is another variety called Orange Crisp that looks similar to the O Crush that ECHO has on and off. Charlie at ECHO said he thought it came from a tree selected around Bonita Springs, but did not know much more than that. I always look for info on cultivars that do well in SWF, but it always amazes me how little info is being shared on some of the more recent cultivars. All the more reason to keep places like the TFF alive and thriving.

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