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can try the nursery in Cajo RRoja that also sell's fruit. TARS is worth a visit.
forum search for the tropical fruit trumpers that used to do an annual group trip and post good  write ups , can get some leads.

Here are some screenshots of this short and sweet info download that was recently posted on TFF.
I sent the link to everyone I know interested in Casimiroa and have yet to discuss with anyone. I think itís fascinating and am curious on what other Casimiroa enthusiasts think about this.


Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: White Sapote Fruit Shapes
« on: November 28, 2023, 11:53:44 AM »
I'd bet they are known varieties that lost the tag. especially if older tree's.

Here's an update on the different varieties I have grafted, so far of the 32 only have 3 varieties that are unknown but has very good tasting fruits.

I tried Norm's and Brian's fruits so far.

What about Lammertz , Suebelle and other Fuzzy/ Wooly C. Edulis's?
Did you read the recent genetic research from Japan someone posted recently saying C. Edulis and C.tetrameria are no different genetically?

Fishie, you can tell from the leaves. The yellow sapote leaves have the fuzzy/wooly bottom side so it's pretty easy to tell. But no, you can't look at the seed and differentiate between the white and yellow seeds.

That's "Smathers" Tetrameria.
Why the cage?
They can fruit unprotected in Sac's extreme weather.

Your best bet for scions is TFF.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Are there dwarf loquats
« on: November 23, 2023, 02:57:57 AM »
To answer your question , You can graft any Loquat variety onto Quince to dwarf it . I have a 10+ year old Multi graft Loquat on Quince rootstock.
It's less than 8' tall.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: New USDA Plant Hardiness Zone Update?
« on: November 15, 2023, 08:16:06 PM »
Thanks USDA!

In Central FL I went from 9b to 10a. Guess I will toss all my heat lamps and tree blankets since I dont need to protect my mangos anymore and will start collecting ultra-tropicals to put in the ground. Woo-hoo! Will Durian grow in 10a? :P Maybe my Royal Poinciana wont freeze back to the roots every year now.

If your in a colder climate region , and you don't get temps in the 80's-90's during ripening season, just grow different Cherimoya varieties but start with HoneyHart. The others may grow, even bloom, but most likely cracked unsweet fruit, if they even set fruit. could be worth a shot for a single 15 gallon that you keep happy & warm over winter.
Cherimoya is compatible with other Annona as well. I've had long term compatibility with A. Dioica and A. Globiflora.

Very cool, thanks for testing this compatibility!

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Tamarillo book 😀
« on: November 09, 2023, 12:48:28 PM »
Because he is a quack cuckoo nut job.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Cacao Growers, zone pushing and varietals
« on: November 07, 2023, 08:34:00 PM »
Holy Smokes Louie! What a beautiful specimen . Look at all that delicious retained heat from the stucco and brick. You must have some other tricks up your sleeve fruit wise if your Cacao is looking that nice.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Cacao Growers, zone pushing and varietals
« on: November 06, 2023, 03:24:52 PM »
Thank you, truth speaker.
There are so many amazing rare sub-tropical fruits you can grow in the Bay area.
 experimenting with free seeds out of curiosity can be a good learning experience.
But purchasing tropical treeís i think is a waste of time and money. Usually shipped in , completely un adapted and go downhill fast. The extreme temperature swings night to day and multiple days of highs in the 40ís and 50ís plus wet is what it is.
Lychee is a million times more cold hardy than cacao. Fairchild near Miami has a mature cacao in zone 11a and even it gets cold damage once or twice a decade when the low is near 40F. The handful of nights below 55F are enough to cause flower drop and fruit abortion in the "winter".

Zone 10 in Florida is also a million (x1000) times more tropical than Bay Area zone 10, it's not "just drier"...the difference is night and day in temperature and overall weather pattern. Equating Florida zones with California zones is 100% wrong and will just cause you heartbreak. Bay Area obviously has nothing to do with warm beaches lined with coconuts. No parallel whatsoever!

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Florida Natural Farming?
« on: November 04, 2023, 12:27:27 PM »
I totally agree Janet. Thanks for painting the picture Satya, the farm sounds like a great place to be.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Cacao Growers, zone pushing and varietals
« on: November 04, 2023, 12:21:24 PM »
there was a crfg tour in Aptos one year. This guy had a 20 + year old Cacao in a pot in his garage that I do not think had fruited.
If it was possible I think goodland organics 3 hours south in the sweet spot would have tried.
I don't think it is doable outside of a houseplant.  Don't let zone ambiguity get it twisted. If you overwintered Lychee seedlings unprotected last winter you must be in a pretty sweet spot in the East Bay yourself though. worth a shot to play with from free seeds but I wouldn't buy tree's.

Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Re: WTB grafted white sapote trees.
« on: November 03, 2023, 01:23:11 PM »

Nettie and Cuccio can hold a ton of fruit as 10' x 12' tree's. Much more compact than other varieties.

You must have some acreage if you're looking for multiple WS trees.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Achacha in California?
« on: November 03, 2023, 01:42:05 AM »
I hope so, probably if you find a spot they like in the greenhouse for over winter. They naturally grow wide and seem like starting a new central leader a new direction wouldn't be a problem , I can't recall if I have seen it from breakage.
very much worth trying to unlock the code for your zone. They seem to handle a bit more direct light than other garcinia, even from young. I can't get enough of this fruit.

I know I never want to top a Garcinia.

Both of mine that I just got were topped in transit... Ugh. I hope they will be ok long term.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Achacha in California?
« on: November 01, 2023, 08:14:53 PM »

Shade cages are ugly, especially for client install but can really give you a fighting chance to establish a species that has evolved to grow up under canopy. Planting the biggest one you can find /afford will help too

Your Escondido  Achachairu looks great , I hope the stretch out is sustainable and she fills out in the middle. I know I never want to top a Garcinia.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Florida Natural Farming?
« on: October 31, 2023, 12:21:13 PM »
Starling, Fruitlovers and many a female chased away.

bsbullie not being able to handle low IQ bs is different. He got better things to do.

I think SeaWalnut may have been the only one ever actually chased away?
There was this lady in London, I believe.  She was a nutcase and was banned after a while.  And there was also bsbullie, who liked to insult and/or demean people but had much useful mango information, being a friend of the Zills.  He stopped participating on his own.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Florida Natural Farming?
« on: October 31, 2023, 12:17:41 PM »
it happens, Mark believes in drinking round up and has imitated his Mexican neighbors in a demeaning accent describing them line drying their laundry.
The guy is an old kook. He was kicked off other forums in the past for this BS. Most of the growers in this forum are in Florida, and many don't care about organic growing and share here it's stupid and a waste of money for dumbasses that believe in global warming and vote for Brandon. some don't leak their views much lest it take away from their sales ,but can't stand organic farming the same way, can't understand more like.

I left the forum for awhile some time ago being disgusted with Mark from Texas making very critical remarks on an organic growing thread.  Just butting in with his hostile views.  I started to miss the forum and I complained to the admin about what happened and he was pretty receptive.  In tropical agroforestry Iím pretty well known and my farm is a commercial success so Iím very convinced you can farm naturally.  I donít get the hostility.

Awesome! It needed to be done! Whereabouts is that plant out? Looks like theyíre going to do great at that elevation and looks dry too.

Very awesome! How did you get on their radar?

less fiber or fiberless on this one Miguel?

He is in Chula Vista by the Mexican border. I don't think they get much if any chill hours.

It might be fine, but just be aware that 10a in California gets a lot more "chill" than even some 9a areas in Florida. I don't know what type of chill (what temperature range and for how long) pawpaws actually require, though.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: The secret to growing a healthy Pitomba?
« on: October 23, 2023, 01:29:13 PM »
you have deduced my logic perfectly.
Pitangatuba- inedible, sour fruit to most ( still open to there somehow being one that is "slightly" edible)
Pitomba- a palatable edible fruit

I found Pitangatuba easy to grow and Pitomaba ( in my limited experience and genetic pool) easy to kill.

Nate if your plants are less than a foot tall after 3 years , despite the lack of damage that is pretty slow to count as promising. They made it through last winter though, so hey.

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