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This sounds like a great idea! i have some dried cranberry hibiscus tea that would probably be good too.

Have you tried sorrel and miracle berry? Should be similar.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Fruit trees at is tolerant to wet feet
« on: September 27, 2021, 08:42:48 PM »
I have a property in west broward, water table varies from 1-3 feet below ground surface throughout year. I also have nearly 100% muck on limerock, no sand, so high ability to hold water. I have some stuff on 1-2 ft mounds, but I honestly doubt it make any difference. This is my experience with trees in the ground:

Do well: custard apple, banana, mango, longan, peanut butter fruit, acerola, jamaican cherry, sapodilla, surinam cherry(flowering/fruiting not very good, but leaf growth is amazing), avacado ( i know people say this doesn't like wet feet, but me and many neighbors have amazing looking avocado trees), pineapple, guava

Do terrible: sugar apple, atemoya, star fruit, lychee, loquat, mamey sapote, jackfruit, white sapote

Do you have a high water table or do you have poor draining soil? Both these issues can be alleviated by not having monoculture lawn around your trees that you mow, because this situation creates compaction and flooding. More diversity of roots will help with drainage by increasing aeration through better soil structure and more macro pores.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Mature jackfruit width?
« on: September 26, 2021, 09:37:54 PM »
If you decide to not trim it forever, and a hurricane doesn't do it for you, It can get massive 30-40 feet in a few decades. But that's unlikely. There are easier to clean jackfruit hybrids, Cenna for example, which is a jackfruit x champadek hybrid (champajack). They seem to be smaller, smaller fruit, and less latex, better tasting i've heard as well.  I have a two other champajack varieties coming from southeast asia soon. I haven't seen anyone with them in South Florida. Send me a PM if interested.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Chemical or Organic Growing and Fruit Taste
« on: September 12, 2021, 09:24:01 PM »
Very interesting Carolyn! Thanks for sharing. you should post results of the next one here, would be interesting to see.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Chemical or Organic Growing and Fruit Taste
« on: September 10, 2021, 10:00:26 AM »
The chemicals used by the plant are the identical, whether from artificial or organic soures.  Plants don't read labels...
In more general terms does healthy soil have any part to play in sustainable agriculture and carbon capture?
This is a different question and I would like to see this in another thread. But for this thread I would like to focus 100% on flavor/taste if possible.

Does healthy soil impact fruit taste?  This is relevant.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Chemical or Organic Growing and Fruit Taste
« on: September 10, 2021, 08:54:11 AM »
This is a thread to start a conversation, hopefully not a war, on how chemical or organic/biological fertilizers/pesticides may impact the taste of fruit.

If two genetically identical plants have the full availability of the elements (water, micros/macros) they need, will the flavor be the same or are there other biological factors that impact fruit taste?

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: What is the "Giant Sugar Apple"?
« on: September 08, 2021, 01:29:28 PM »
Probably a hybrid that is more reticulata than squamosa, given its generally the larger of the two.

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Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / baccaurea motleyana (rambai) seedlings
« on: September 07, 2021, 03:02:28 PM »
I have 8 seedlings left for sale. $15 each. Shipping $10 to US and PR.

This species is dioecious.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baccaurea_motleyana#/media/File:Fruits_of_Baccaurea_motleyana_(Phyllanthaceae).JPG






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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Pintangatuba pollination
« on: August 26, 2021, 09:38:31 PM »
2x post

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Pintangatuba pollination
« on: August 26, 2021, 09:37:13 PM »
I had one in the ground (about the size of a full 3 gallon plant) it flowered for a year, but never set fruit. I also thought it was a pollination issue, so I bought a second 3 gallon, put it the ground right next to the first one. Year 2 and the 1st one is not a 5-7 gallon plant and makes plenty of fruit, the smaller one has some fruit, but much less. I think you need a 5-7 gallon plant, or at least a 4-5 year old for consistent fruit set.

I just just cut off a successful air layer of the first plant today, it has been flowering/fruiting since spring. It's in a 3 gallon, but will need to grow into it. PM if anyone is interested.

That is awesome, I know airlayers and cuttings can be done but I haven't had luck.. care to share the details of what you did/hormones/medium/time span etc?

looking fwd to it

I used plain spagnum moss, no hormones. Started in early june and was just now ready for the chop, so about 3 months. I did 3 total air layers but only got 1 to take. 

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Pintangatuba pollination
« on: August 24, 2021, 08:29:56 PM »
I had one in the ground (about the size of a full 3 gallon plant) it flowered for a year, but never set fruit. I also thought it was a pollination issue, so I bought a second 3 gallon, put it the ground right next to the first one. Year 2 and the 1st one is not a 5-7 gallon plant and makes plenty of fruit, the smaller one has some fruit, but much less. I think you need a 5-7 gallon plant, or at least a 4-5 year old for consistent fruit set.

I just just cut off a successful air layer of the first plant today, it has been flowering/fruiting since spring. It's in a 3 gallon, but will need to grow into it. PM if anyone is interested.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Irrigating with well water
« on: August 15, 2021, 05:25:51 PM »
Finca Loco, thank you. It was so dry when I planted everything here and it is almost 3 acres with limited spigot and hoses. I have no desire to inject or treat the water it is just a big waste of time and don't like the thought of a backflow preventer failing or the chemicals involved. The property was overgrown with pepper hedge/ ear leaf acacia, so I ripped it all out over the last year. I'm not doing sod or anything and do like the natural groundcover of weeds and different grasses to make it more bio-diverse. I do have some char I use and will get some gypsum to help improve the soil. Seems the weeds just havnt made it to the sapote yet. There around most everything else and plan keeping it that way except the bitter Mellon vine. I hate that thing and has no place here in my yard lol! Do you have any suggestions on plants to add for companionship/biodiversity?  I've been transplanting the sparky mix marigolds all over for their supposed root knot nematode control.
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I'm in the same situation, my newly purchased property is almost pure pepper hedge/ ear leaf acacia, but Ill probably just chop and drop them as I plant out new areas. I have seen studies about certain grasses making iron more bioavaliable, but in the context of our soils, our grasses, our fungi, trees, etc., there are just so many variables and it's hard to study the entire system like that. I'm just going to let whatever the birds/wind plant there do its thing, provided its not a complete nuisance, like some of the vines. Your mix of plants there will probably change with season as time progresses, but you're going to have a lot more butterflys, insects, etc with a naturally planted unmowed groundcover. Some of it may be that a multispecies groundcover provides more aeration than pure st augustine grass, given the diversity of roots. These are interesting times for tropical fruit growers in Florida.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Irrigating with well water
« on: August 15, 2021, 09:00:52 AM »
Seems like two problems. 1) sediment buildup 2) Plant Chlorosis. For the sediment buildup, I would get rid of the drip irrigation, not sure why people use drip in sandy soils, It would be better to use larger orifice sprinklers like impact sprinklers or spray. i know white sapote is very very sensitive to being hit by sprinklers. Then, if you still have buildup, physical filtration. The second is a little more tricky, I know a lot of people use the elemental sulfer, that seems plausible. Chemically treating your irrigation water seems like a waste of time and money when your soil is calcareous. You could amend your soil with biochar and/or clay to make it easier for plant roots to take up the elements they need, pH would be less important in this situation. Then the last option, but should be first, is to just increase overall biodiversity of plant roots/fungal relationships around your plant to make whatever nutrient your plant is missing (iron/mag) more bioavailable. I fixed a jackfruit nutrient issue just letting my weeds take over around the base of my tree.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Land purchasing and search discussion
« on: August 09, 2021, 08:43:35 PM »
Sounds like quite a few of us going through this process. I am speaking with a water well driller tomorrow to get more specifics on prices and sizing for my well and pump, will keep you all updated.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Forcing Surinam Cherry to fruit
« on: August 07, 2021, 05:42:30 PM »
I have documented before this under my 'advanced' section of eugenia notes - https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1mYXkqn80a0i-uXdy_kPy95PpGZJl91ofv88C0ar9Z5E/edit?usp=sharing

It works well on trees that have become lazy/unproductive, I've stunted/nearly killed a small tree (3gal) by overdoing it trying to get non-stop flowering.. on other eugenias leaf stripping sometimes can induce another set of crops, I know people have gotten 3 crops of COTRG here in socal by leaf stripping.

Thanks for sharing this, lots of good information.

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I was showing a friend some monster Jackfruit from a supermarket in Austin.  She wonders if Jackfruit can be imported to Bermuda from a US source through the supermarkets (some of which do get their hands on mangosteen, lychee, cherimoya regularly). At the same time as far as I know we cannot import fruit from Florida.  So, are there commercially grown jackfruit outside of FL in the US?

Mind you, distributors are probably not clear on or even communicating where fruit was grown.  I know FL grown jackfruit are distributed as far north as Toronto...
Why can't you get jackfruit from Florida. I thought there were just restrictions on citrus?

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Forcing Surinam Cherry to fruit
« on: August 06, 2021, 09:57:00 PM »
I have been trying to air layer my favorite Surinam Cherry, it has nice sized sweet fruits. The air layer was a failure, but all the branches that had their outer bark removed are now flowering, which has never happened before. Anyone else have this experience? I also had the same thing happen to my pitangatuba, but not sure if pitangatuba just gets multiple crops per year since this is the first year i've fruited my pitangatubas.








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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Land purchasing and search discussion
« on: August 06, 2021, 09:19:04 AM »
a home well is not a irrigation well

What's the difference? Diameter? I'm building a house in Florida and want to be set up for irrigating a couple acres.

i am also interested in the difference between a home well and irrigation well.

There are legal/permitting differences, then there are the engineering/practical differences. Starting with the latter, your home uses maybe 4-5 gallons per minute(gpm), with everything running. I'm irrigating 1 acre, 6 inches per month, which is about 30 min at 150 gpm, every day. A 4 inch well is going to dry up at that consumption rate. You can go bigger diameter or deeper with the well, both are more expensive. In S Fl. water table is very shallow. So you can cheaply dig a pond and pump out of that, or what Im doing, dig a small "pond" more like 5ft x 5ft hole as deep as I can, backfill with porous material, install the 4 inch well through the porous material. You will effectively have a well with a diameter 5ft x 5ft at the top. This can be permitted, just like a normal well. Downside is contamination much easier. I wouldn't drink out of this well if I was in an area with extensive conventional ag, but my area is surrounded by 5 acre homesteads. Regardless, you need to treat your drinking water anyway, at least softening, iron and sulfur are common contaminants, not toxic to health, more like taste/odor issues.

Water should not be stopping you in S. Florida. We have unlimited water 3-10 feet right under your feet. Well drillers are all over the place and waiting for your call. I work in a related industry, if you need a well driller quick and cheap, send me a PM.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Land purchasing and search discussion
« on: August 05, 2021, 09:40:15 PM »
This is why I am interested in purchasing a property with a home already on it. That and I can potentially rent a room or give it to a friend who will do some chores. I am debt free and have a stack of cash but I fear purchasing raw land and getting a well dug could wipe out a large chunk of it.

This is the right line of thinking. Infrastructure is important. Electricity is typically just cost of electrician to install your panel (needs to be upsized for a big 5 hp pump), septic systems can be designed by someone else, and you then you install it, a home well is not a irrigation well, I got quoted $12k for a 6 inch well to 60 foot and 4 inch well to 30 foot. Im reconsidering just renting a backhoe and digging a hole as deep as possible, backfill with 57 stone and install a cheap 4 inch well into it. It's all about getting creative and exploring every possible way to save on big expenses.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Land purchasing and search discussion
« on: August 05, 2021, 09:28:51 PM »
As mentioned, buying land is cheapest option in FL right now. You'll need cash, or something as collateral. I refinanced my house, which ill rent out, and live in a trailer on the 5 acres I purchased with the refi funds in Loxahatchee FL. Ill be saving money for new home construction. Good news is that Lox is a quick growing area with massive local market for basically anything I want to grow, bad news is I have to live in a trailer and continue to grind out the desk job until I can make this full time gig.

You need to write your priorities down, rearrange them in order, start crossing them out from the bottom until you can't stand to cross anything else out, then proceed. You don't need to apprentice with someone who knows how to grow plants, you can get that info anywhere. You need to figure out your finances.

Is he correct that he could finance the purchase of an agricultural property that has a house on it? I just want to make sure they donít split out the house and the land and then make him pay cash for the land.

Admire what youíre doing by the way. Hope you can make it a full time job soon.

As long as land has a home on it, it can be financed. The home value to land value has to be reasonable. I don't think you could split out the house from the land, never heard of that.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Land purchasing and search discussion
« on: August 04, 2021, 09:28:02 PM »
As mentioned, buying land is cheapest option in FL right now. You'll need cash, or something as collateral. I refinanced my house, which ill rent out, and live in a trailer on the 5 acres I purchased with the refi funds in Loxahatchee FL. Ill be saving money for new home construction. Good news is that Lox is a quick growing area with massive local market for basically anything I want to grow, bad news is I have to live in a trailer and continue to grind out the desk job until I can make this full time gig.

You need to write your priorities down, rearrange them in order, start crossing them out from the bottom until you can't stand to cross anything else out, then proceed. You don't need to apprentice with someone who knows how to grow plants, you can get that info anywhere. You need to figure out your finances.

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Beware, this seems like a scam. I contacted seller on whats up. prices suddenly changed, higher prices suddenly,  a bunch of other "fees". For 20 seeds came to $274...


You've been warned.

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Would like 1-4. PM sent. Thanks.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Searching for fruits in SW FL
« on: July 19, 2021, 09:21:07 PM »
google peaceriverorganics

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Plants in great shape upon receipt. One plant was damaged due to transit, but Tomekk is a great guy and promptly sent replacement! Thanks again!

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