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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Strange Syzygium at SFBG
« on: June 17, 2024, 11:47:29 PM »
I was strolling around SFBG this weekend in the Chile/New Zealand Area and found an interesting Syzygium tree

The fruits taste very similar to Syzygium smithii and are about the same size but the growth habit is completely different, this one is like a large hedge

Anyone got any idea what it is? I always thought these fruit were a nice novelty but the poor flesh to seed ratio and gigantic size of the S. smithii tree is a no-go for me

Hey All,

Got a chance to check on my plants last weekend and found something cool- Pretty sure this is Eugenia myrcianthes from, maybe Eugenia pyriformis from huertasurbanas?

Can Kaz or someone chime in with first hand knowledge of if the flowers look right? (i know they havent matured/opened yet but worth trying) The foliage looks correct to me.

This tree has survived all three of the Texas freezes but has been knocked back significantly each time which may owe to its dwarf size, currently in a 25g fabric pot and about 12-24" tall. if the fruits are good definitely a keeper

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Got to try a Golden Soursop!
« on: February 08, 2024, 10:19:12 PM »
I came across the opportunity to get one of these and couldn't pass it up-

I am happy to say that it was well worth it- this officially takes the spot of the top Annona I have eaten beating out Rollinia, Florida grown Lisa atemoya, mexican grown sugar apples and peruvian grown cherimoya

Perfect balance of sweetness and tartness, my wife who doesn't normally like Annona was even asking for more of this one

Great seed to flesh ratio and the seeds are even a bit soft

I recently decided to try to do one Annona in a pot and this will be it for sure

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Epigenetic cold tolerance in plants
« on: January 04, 2024, 03:41:53 PM »
Hey all-

So some of you will be aware we have had some nasty storms come through TX in the last 5 years that have brought some lows not seen for quite some time-

by choice or by necessity I have had to leave a lot of my collection exposed to the elements during these storms, particularly last year when I was physically in a different state when the storm hit-

I have been chronicling which of those plants have survived or even done well over in this thread-

but the question of whether or not some of these plants will ever produce here without a permanent greenhouse has still kind of haunted me.

I have noticed that since the initial selection many of these plants have undergone a few changes- namely a Change in growth habit and Seemingly increased cold tolerance

this got me thinking if there were mechanisms of adaptation in individual plants that can occur in response to a stress event like a freeze and (of course) there are plenty of studies demonstrating epigenetic induction of cold tolerance in annual and perennial plants.

I've provided a link for people who are interested below that is a summary of the studies in the field and a decent read

yet another reason to never throw away a plant  :P

Hey all,

I am trying to get better at grafting because despite my love for buying plants, I have limited space and would like to get different varieties of things rather than focus on production amount as this is not a commercial venture for me. Kaz and others on the forum have really inspired me with some of the multigrafted projects and I'd like to get one or a few Frankenstein Jabos going

I recently took advantage of some of the scions a forum member had on here and wanted to make a multigrafted tree out of the fruting escalarte I have-

I put-
Polpa roxa
Coronata restinga
Red Hybrid

on there and basically used a cleft graft with the cut on the rootstock running parallel to the ground if the branch was growing sideways.

I wrapped all of the scions with parafilm, and then wrapped them again with tin foil because we were going through crazy heat and drought at the time of grafting, I wrapped the graft union once lightly with parafilm and then made a little "rope" wax tail to tighten down the union and promote healing.

After a month I removed the foil, nothing looked like it was pushing strongly and I kind of gave up on it.

I was debating if I just suck at grafting, if Escalarte is a bad rootstock (it has some characteristics like producing runners that seem to be different from most Plinia), or if the weather killed them and just left them on there because I am lazy-

I was wallowing in my failure when I saw this on the Coronata graft-

So I took a box cutter and checked the graft union on the other 4 and all of them seemed to heal except for the ESALQ, I'm going to wait to see what happens regardless but I wanted to see what peoples experiences were and if they thought the grafts would be good and that I am just being impatient

Hey all-

In my recent strolls I have found some Quercus macrocarpa trees and acorns are plentiful right now, 

Im definitely going to plant a few of these on my properties, they seem like a good staple food and the season is right after pecans (at least in Texas) which gives another good nut to forage into the fall

Seed - cooked. The light brown or grayish, ovoid-ellipsoid or oblong seed can be 15 - 50mm long and 10 - 40mm wide. The seed can be ground into a powder and used in making bread, dumplings etc and as a thickener in soups. The seed of this species is considered to be one of the most palatable of all the oaks. Many trees have sweet seeds with little tannin and the seed can be eaten raw or cooked.
In some species, especially many of those classified as 'white oaks', the seeds are low in tannins and have a more or less sweet and agreeable flavour. The seed of most species, however, have a very bitter flavour, due especially to the presence of tannins. In these species there are various processes that can remove or at least reduce the amount of these bitter substances (although other water-soluble substances, including some minerals, will also be removed).
Tannins are water-soluble and therefore the easiest way to remove or reduce tannin levels is by soaking in water. A few different methods are listed:-
A traditional method of preparing the seed was to bury it in boggy ground overwinter and allow the wet soil to gradually leach the tannins. The germinating seed was dug up in the spring when it would have lost most of its astringency and bitterness.
Another method was to wrap the seeds in a cloth bag and place them in a stream for several weeks.
Drying the seed and grinding it to a powder before soaking speeds up the process. The fastest method is to use hot water, by cooking the powder and changing the water several times until the cooking water is no longer bitter. Alternatively, you can use cold water (which is reported to produce the best quality flour). In this case, you soak the powdered seed in cold water for 12 - 24 hours then discard the water. Repeat this process for a number of times until the soak water is no longer bitter.

$10 for 4 acorns plus shipping, I'll float test them before I ship them to make sure they are viable also-

Here is a pic next to some "regular" acorns

Hey all-

I checked for previous posts on this and only found one asking about the compatibility here-

I recently grafted a few sticks from Bush2Beach onto a mature M. fragrans bush I have here and I am happy to report one of the scions is pushing-

We will see about long term compatibility but a good start!

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Yangmei Ice Cream
« on: November 08, 2023, 09:50:44 PM »
Made some yangmei ice cream with some frozen fruit this past weekend and had it with the wife-

I really really liked it-

Hope to be getting some crops in texas in a few years, these were unnamed fruit

Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / FS: Psidium sp. Araçá amarelo Seeds
« on: November 03, 2023, 07:43:43 PM »
Hey All-

I have some seeds from a nice little guava that is perfect for containers-

Officially it is called Psidium sp. Araçá amarelo but it could be called bubblegum cream guava because it tastes like a mexican cream guava with some bubblegum

I have 10 packs of 10 seeds for $10 a piece

Here are some pics from the mother tree, Its producing fruit in less than 3 years and with 1 plant


Tropical Fruit Discussion / Psidiums from the Brazil Andres Pires Order
« on: October 24, 2023, 09:01:49 PM »
Hey all-

an exciting update-

in Jan of 2021 we received some seeds from forum member Andres Pires in Brazil and in particular some cool guava species

I got these
Psidium mirtoides
Psidium sp. Goiaba roxa
Psidium sp. Araçá amarelo

After some lost labels and a few years- one of the tree is producing fruit!

I am pretty sure it is the Psidium sp. Araçá amarelo due to the color of the fruit, but these dropped green and then ripened to yellow of the counter-

ripeness was assessed by smell (like all guavas) and me and NissanVersa tried the fruit today-

I think they are delicious and the seeds are not going to crack your teeth apart- similar in flavor to a mexican cream guava but superior-

Might sell some seeds soon


Hey all,

I need to trim two of my lesser known, but awesome, fruit bushes and thought I would offer cuttings up to the forum

The first is

Rosa roxburghii  “Cili” “Sweet Chestnut Rose”
Stout shrub 4–8′ tall. Thorned branches, long pinnate leaves. 2″+ pale pink to purple-pink flowers, sweetly scented. Unusual orange-yellow fruit blushing red, globose to 1.5″+ and covered in small prickles. Native to southwest China. The fruit can be eaten fresh with a mild pineaple-like flavor. Traditionally made into a jam and wine, the dried fruit is brewed into a sweet tea that is said to strengthen all faculties and enhance longevity. The leaves are used as a green tea substitute. The fruit is rich in minerals, vitamin C and E, beneficial polyphenols, polysaccharides and SOD. Studies have shown the fruit is a strong antioxidant with anticancer potential, cardiovascular benefits and cognitive enhancement. Easy to grow, sun to part shade, rich, moist soil. We offer seed grown plants from strains selected for their darker fruit color and medicinal value. Z6a

More cold tolerant than a lot of the species on here, pretty flowers, good fruit, and medicinal leaves

Green yearling cuttings wrapped in parafilm (at least 3 nodes) - $5
Hardwood cuttings wrapped in parafilm - $12

And second-

Lycium andersonii  “Desert Goji/Wolfberry”
Solanaceae. Densley branched thorned shrub to 3–6’+.  Semi-succulent leaves. Yellow/lavender tubular flowers followed by small round edible berries. Seed from Baja. Drought deciduous. Heat, drought and sun tolerant. A good choice for the arid edible landscape. The berries are rich in beneficial phytonutrients. Z8

This has been a 0 care plant for me and produces really high quality, but small, goji berries- the best I have tasted and are good for eating fresh

Hardwood cuttings wrapped in parafilm - $6

I also have a very small amount of Red Veined Indonesian Mitragyna speciosa and one fruiting Escalarte jaboticaba branch that prices can eb worked out over PM of anyone is interested

Shipping added at the end

I'll post some pics later


Looking for a rare pine tree

Hoping maybe one of our brazilian or argentinian friends can find some seeds for me

Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / WTB Butia capitata (odorata)
« on: July 31, 2023, 09:30:34 PM »
Largest plant that is shippable for cheapest if possible

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Bad Seeds Podcast
« on: April 26, 2023, 10:48:31 PM »
Anyone listening to this?

Seems to be of interest to this group- so far it has focused on over collection of rare cacti but wouldn't be surprised if they talk about other kinds of plant collecting soon

Hey all-

I have 2 extra Asimina campechianus seedlings for sale

$40 each plus shipping or 70 for the both

Hey All-

Trimming this bush as well-

Hasn't flowered yet but should soon as it is approaching 4 years old-

They are small- ~1/16 of an inch but a skilled grafter should be able to pull it off-

6 cuttings for $40 plus shipping

Hey All-

Trimming up my Barbados Cherry bush and thought I would offer some of this rare variety from FFF

I have 3 cuttings-

$10 each plus shipping-

You can also root them from cuttings

Hey All-

I have 4-5 well rooted Linda Pomegranate Cuttings for Sale

$20 per plant, discounts for multiple

Shipping for 1-2 plants $18

Here is a bit about the cultivar

This chance seedling is from the farm of Harvey Correia in Isleton. He grows various excellent cultivars of pomegranates, and he suspects that this tree is a seedling of one of them. The fruits are medium to large in size, very dark. The arils are very large and dark with soft seeds.  The seeds seem to be softer than Desertnyi's seeds. The flavor reminds me of Desertnyi, but a bit sweeter, like a cross with Vina. Overall, an excellent accession, and I am planning to make a tree for myself.

Sourced from-

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Eugenia with Long Germination Times
« on: April 19, 2023, 04:33:31 PM »
Hey All,

Eugenia's are obviously one of the most collected and sought after species on this forum. They are great for container culture, generally do not have a long juvenile period, and seeds readily germinate.

Because of how quickly and easily this genus usually germinates, if I dont see sprouts pretty quickly I usually assume they are bunk and move on.

Lately I have had 2 exceptions- I thought it might be good to track this, so people don't waste seeds or erroneously start beef

Eugenia klotzschiana - 1 year to show above surface
Eugenia stipitata - 5 Months to germinate after sowing in 100% vermiculite
Eugenia victoriana - 4 Months to germinate after sowing in 100% vermiculite

Myrciaria vexator - 5 Months

Anyone else see similar things with these or other species?


Tropical Fruit Discussion / Macroalgae -> Fertilizer Trials
« on: March 25, 2023, 03:13:22 PM »
Hey All-

I wanted to use this thread to document another hair brained idea- turning the excess macroalgae from my coral reef fish tank into a "seaweed" fertilizer. I do not recommend this for people to try- I am concerned about the salt levels and very likely will kill some plants before dialing this in, but currently this is a waste product for me that I would like to try to recycle back into my system rather than throwing away.

I have a 110 gallon reef that is a split style tank with the bottom functioning primarily as a refugium for said macroalgae and various invertebrates. Here is the main farming patch right now-

The known species are
  • Chaetomorpha spp.
  • Caulerpa spp.
  • Halymenea spp.

And there are a few unknown/hitchhiker species. In the long term I may incorporate asterina starfish and other pest aquatic species into the mix as well.

For now I only had an overgrowth of the Caulerpa and so I trimmed some, washed it, and have placed it in the sun to dry.

I will then powder it and apply in small quantities to test plants that I have a multitude of the species.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Any Info on Clavija euerganea?
« on: March 11, 2023, 11:21:26 PM »
Bought a seed in October of last year and it just sprouted-

I got the seed from tradewinds

An interesting rain forest tree, with bright orange, round fruits having orange pulp that looks like marmalade. The fruits grow to about an inch in diameter. Little information is available about this species. The fruits could be edible, as several other Clavija species have edible fruits, but care should always be taken with unknown fruits. Native to mid-elevation tropical forests in South America. Short, bushy growth to 6-12 ft / 3-4 m.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Aerogarden Aguaymanto (Physalis peruviana)
« on: March 05, 2023, 12:17:06 AM »
Hey All-

So I found an Aerogarden for cheap recently, and in the interest of upping my greens consumption I decided to buy it-

I noticed that people often grow tomatoes in these and since I had a bunch of extra aguaymanto sprouts I thought I would give it a shot-

Here are 2 of them-

Has anyone ever tried this before? any other interesting species to try in here?

Also anyone have any good greens recommendations other than arugula and mizuna?

Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Syzygium australe Seedling for sale $30
« on: February 19, 2023, 11:57:03 PM »
Hey All-

I've got one seedling of Syzygium australe for sale, $30 plus shipping

I also have seeds for $3 a pop

Description of the plant

Syzygium australe - “Brush Cherry”
Brush cherry is an evergreen shrub or small tree with flaky bark. It can reach heights of 20 metres or more in the wild, but is more likely to be in the range of 8 - 10 metres with a short, crooked bole, especially in cultivation.
The plant is sometimes harvested from the wild for its wood and edible fruit, and is also often grown as an ornamental and as a hedge. It is sometimes grown in gardens for its edible fruit.
A tree of warm temperate and subtropical climates, just reaching into tropical areas. It is tolerant of occasional, light frosts.. Succeeds in full sun and in partial shade. Prefers rich soils and assured moisture. Succeeds in most soils. Several named forms have been developed for ornamental purposes, including some compact forms that grow no larger than 2 metres.
Fruit - raw or made into jellies. Crisp and juicy, it ranges in flavour from delicious to mediocre. The reddish-pink to red, obovoid fruit is about 15 - 25 mm long and 15 mm in diameter, with a large seed.
Cite as: Tropical Plants Database, Ken Fern. 2023-02-20. <>

link to my taste report-

Hey All-

I finally had a chance to go check things out in Texas and repair the irrigation system etc.

While I was heartbroken to see so many plants die I was glad that I had put the Tropical stuff down in key west, and given my Garcinia collection to NissanVersa who was able to take care of them.

What is probably of most interest to the zone pushers on here is what survived though!

Salpichroa origanifolia - "Cock’s Eggs” sourced from huertasurbanas
Salpichroa origanifolia is a very fast-growing, perennial, climbing plant with somewhat woody stems. Although the fruits have a poor flavour raw, they are often gathered from the wild for use as preserves and are commonly found for sale in local markets. A plant of the warm temperate to tropical zones, being found at elevations above 1,000 metres in the tropics. Plants are susceptible to frost, even the fleshy roots can be killed by temperatures down to freezing. Prefers a sunny position. Thrives in alkaline soils. Fruit. Of poor flavour raw. Often used to make preserves. The white or yellow, ovoid fruit is 18mm x 8mm.
Text sourced from Tropical Plants Database, Ken Fern. 2021-10-05. <>

Eugenia myrcianthes “Ubajai” sourced from sacredsucculents

Myrtaceae. Small willow-like tree to 15-25′. Pendulous branches, simple glossy leaves, pubescent when young. White flowers and apricot size edible fruit. The flavor of the fruit is excellent when still pale yellow but becomes insipid upon turning a dark yellow/orange. Native to the Rio Plata region, Brazil. Easy to grow ornamental/edible, mature trees tolerant of mild frost. Z9b
Text Sourced from

Acanthosyris spinescens - “Sombra de touro” sourced from huertasurbanas

Sombra de touro is a thorny, deciduous tree with a low crown; it can grow 3 - 6 metres tall. The short, crooked bole can be 20 - 30cm in diameter
The edible fruit is gathered from the wild and consumed locally, though it is not widely appreciated The plant also has local medicinal uses.
The thin-skinned fruit has a very succulent pulp with a sweet, pleasant flavour. The fruits are about 3cm in diameter
A decoction of the leaves is used as a treatment for high fevers The leaves are used externally to dress ulcers

Eugenia pyriformis - “Uvaia” sourced from huertasurbanas
Uvaia is an evergreen shrub or tree with a small, open crown; it can grow 5 - 15 metres tall. The erect bole can be 30 - 50cm in diameter. The edible fruits are greatly appreciated in Brazil, where the plant is widely cultivated in home gardens and orchards, both for its fruit and as an ornamental tree. The fruit is edible. A pleasant aroma with a sweet but insipid flavour. The fruits have a thick, very succulent pulp with a sweet or acid flavour according to variety. It is eaten fresh, made into juices, jellies etc. The yellow, aromatic fruit varies in shape from globose to pear-shaped, and in size from 4cm in diameter to 8cm long by 6cm wide. A plant of drier areas in the tropics and subtropics, where it is found at elevations from 300 - 1,500 metres. It grows best in areas where annual daytime temperatures are within the range 20 - 26°c, but can tolerate 15 - 30°c. Plants are tolerant of occasional light frosts. It prefers a mean annual rainfall in the range 450 - 600mm, but tolerates 300 - 800mm. Succeeds in full sun or part day shade. Adaptable to a range of soil types, but intolerant of alkaline soils. Prefers a well-drained soil. Prefers a pH in the range 6 - 7, tolerating 5 - 8. Prefers high levels of organic matter in the soil. Established plants are drought tolerant. A slow-growing plant, rarely reaching 2 metres tall after 2 years. Seedling plants can start producing fruit when 3 - 4 years old.
Text sourced from Tropical Plants Database, Ken Fern. 2021-10-26. <>

Myrcianthes fragrans - "Twinberry, Simpson's Stopper" forgot where I got it
A short bushy tree usually growing no higher than 15-20 feet. It is easily trained into a short hedge as well. Evergreen, features attractive white blooms that may occur at almost any time of year in warm climates. The pretty blooms have a wonderful scent reminiscent of gardenia. Blooms are followed by small berry-fruits which ripen to an orange-red. The blooms are quite popular with butterflies and the fruits attract birds. In addition, Simpson's Stopper also has smooth, red-brown colored bark (similar to the guava), adding to its ornamental appearance. Hardy to 25F. Attractive bush or small tree native to Florida and the Caribbean. Bears a small, orange-red, edible berry-fruit having a mild, citrus-like flavor. Simpson's Stopper is commonly planted as a hedge in much of South Florida, usually seen in urban settings where controlled hedging is needed. Despite sometimes being found planted in mundane locations, the plant is a beautiful United States native that can make a wonderful ornamental in the garden.

Text sourced from

Myrcianthes pungens - “Guabiyu” Pretty sure from NissanVersa
Guabiyu is a semi-deciduous tree with a large, rounded, dense crown; it can grow from 12 - 20 metres tall. The bole, which is normally crooked and gnarled, can be 40 - 60cm in diameter.
The tree is widely cultivated for its edible fruit within the plants native range. It is also used medicinally, the timber is harvested from wild trees and the plant is grown as an ornamental. Fruit - raw. A succulent, juicy pulp with a sweet, pleasant flavour. The dark purple, globose fruit is up to 25mm in diameter. A plant of tropical and subtropical areas, mainly at higher elevations up to 2,200 metres in the tropics. Prefers a position in dappled shade.
Text sourced from Tropical Plants Database, Ken Fern. 2021-09-13. <>

Celtis ehrenbergiana - “Tala” sourced from huertasurbanas
Celtis ehrenbergiana is a semi-evergreen shrub or small tree with a more or less pyramidal crown; it can grow 4 - 7 metres tall. The irregular bole can be 20 - 30cm in diameter.
The plant is sometimes harvested from the wild for local use of its edible fruit, medicinal properties and dyestuff. It is sometimes grown as an ornamental. Fruit. A succulent pulp, but there is not much of it. The oval, orange-yellow fruits are about the size of a pea. Edible and sweet. Astringent. An infusion of the leaves is used in the treatment of indigestion. A plant of the subtropics and tropics, found at elevations between 300 - 1,700 metres in the tropics. Prefers a sunny position. It is apparently tolerant of a wide range of soil and moisture conditions. A fast-growing tree.
Text sourced from Tropical Plants Database, Ken Fern. 2021-09-15. <>

Uvaria rufa sourced from Elopez
Uvaria rufa is a woody, climbing shrub with stems up to 5 metres long.The edible fruits are much esteemed locally, being commonly harvested from the wild and also sold in local markets. Fruit - raw. The orange-yellow fruits have a granular, sweetish flesh. An alcoholic tincture of the roots is used as an oxytocic. The bark has been shown to contain alkaloids. Sparsely forested slopes at elevations from 400 - 1,700 metres in southern China. Lowland forest in Malaysia.
Cite as: Tropical Plants Database, Ken Fern. 2023-02-18. <>

Eugenia spp. cv. “Sweet”

Small purple sweet fruits. It has beautiful multicolored bark. Growing on edge of creek at high elevation. Frost hardy. Plant reaches 9 feet max. Collected in south brazil. Text and plant from Brian Laufer

Things that survived but I didn't take pictures of-
Bananas, Pomegranates, Figs, Blackberries, Grapes, Peaches, Persimmons, Loquats, Feijoa,

Lycium andersonii  “Desert Goji/Wolfberry” Sourced from Sacredsucculents
Solanaceae. Densley branched thorned shrub to 3–6’+.  Semi-succulent leaves. Yellow/lavender tubular flowers followed by small round edible berries. Seed from Baja. Drought deciduous. Heat, drought and sun tolerant. A good choice for the arid edible landscape. The berries are rich in beneficial phytonutrients. Z9b/10a?   

Rosa roxburghii  “Cili” “Sweet Chestnut Rose” sourced from sacredsucculents
Stout shrub 4–8′ tall. Thorned branches, long pinnate leaves. 2″+ pale pink to purple-pink flowers, sweetly scented. Unusual orange-yellow fruit blushing red, globose to 1.5″+ and covered in small prickles. Native to southwest China. The fruit can be eaten fresh with a mild pineaple-like flavor. Traditionally made into a jam and wine, the dried fruit is brewed into a sweet tea that is said to strengthen all faculties and enhance longevity. The leaves are used as a green tea substitute. The fruit is rich in minerals, vitamin C and E, beneficial polyphenols, polysaccharides and SOD. Studies have shown the fruit is a strong antioxidant with anticancer potential, cardiovascular benefits and cognitive enhancement. Easy to grow, sun to part shade, rich, moist soil. We offer seed grown plants from strains selected for their darker fruit color and medicinal value. Z6a

I'll update the post as things bounce back, now that they are getting warmth and water again I am hoping that things looked worse than they were

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