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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Are black and white sapote worth it
« on: February 21, 2024, 11:16:46 PM »
I always felt that way until I had a good one with great texture and flavor.
black sapote is trash, its a try once every 5 years to remember how bland it is to eat out of hand and forget about it for another 5.

Adding cream and sweetner makes it ok but if something cant be eaten out of hand i aint got time for that.

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I love Jaboticaba's. I wish the wine was good.
I was very excited to go try it.

It's fake because top tropicals write up is a complete and total lie. Credible? you don't have to believe me , find out for yourself. I told a few people the real deal , everyone can pick and choose what to learn through their own trial and errors.

By the way there is a chocolate "farm"  near the "winery" you can pay for a tour of. They don't grow their own Cacao and the chocolate is not from their farm, but you get the idea, I think you'd love it.
can go to the farmers market and buy your "local" Mango's straight from Costco and exist in a state of blissful ignorance . That's normal, and normal is good.
Plant some Red Jabo seeds, you'll end up with good fruit , and can name it whatever bs you want and sell it to the world.

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They do not have any Volcano Red berries, or any berries growing.
As excited as I was for Jabo wine, unfortunately it's a scam.








This winery is buying locally grown Jaboticaba in Hawaii with no mention of it being a special variety at all, more than likely most is Sabara. Think about it if it was some crazy rare special variety would you sell the fruit for $3.50 a pound when you can make at least that much per seed?

It appears they ran out of their own Volcano Red berries and they are contracting out.  😁

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I am telling it like it is, I know it can pop bubbles and ruin days but I am not here to sell you anything. Buy a bottle , please!! find out for yourself and report back!!
I don't know what I can add.
The Volcano Winery grows no grapes, they grow no jaboticaba. Their Jaboticaba wine has no taste of Jaboticaba and was literally the worst "wine" I have tried in my life.
I heard they used welch's grape juice and vodka to make their "wine" and after drinking it well that is what it tasted like.
You should really buy a bottle and find out for yourself. I went to the winery, bought the bottle,  it was a joke.

They pay $2 a pound for Jaboticaba.
The only Jabo in Hawaii for 99.9% of people is sold as "Murta" ,by the one existing giant wholesale fruit nursery, It is Sabara.

So this Pele's breath red jabo description and you trying to call me out is bullshit, but I refrained from name calling.

Look and Read all the flavor descriptions coming from people trying to sell you $100 germinated seed of tiny sour bird food, don't believe everything someone is trying to sell you on.



This is an insulting deceptive lie by top tropicals.

The Volcano winery is a joke, a joke!
straight up Welch's grape juice and no , they do not grow or sell Jaboticaba wine.
The description on top trop website is just total garbage.

Dude, are you trolling? LOOK & READ!



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This is an insulting deceptive lie by top tropicals.

The Volcano winery is a joke, a joke!
straight up Welch's grape juice and no , they do not grow or sell Jaboticaba wine.
The description on top trop website is just total garbage.

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Paging the cold hardy mango professor ,Tim Thompson.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: any kadsura coccinea successfully planted ?
« on: February 17, 2024, 01:30:29 PM »
you hope the seeds you sold are viable? eeek.  how old and cold were they?




I've just sent out over 2000 kadsura seeds to various people, so should see an update in the near future.
viable seeds I hope lol.

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Would be pretty great to figure out the hand carry permit . Some countries donít want you leaving with the seeds so thatís another issue as you check out of a country.

HITreefruits, how are your different rare species from maryoto growing?

The APHIS Seed Import Permit I have is pretty clear that hand carry is not allowed.  I have posed the question to APHIS if there is a different type of permit that would permit hand carry.  As others have noted, the air shipment transit points can be in really cold places, so winter shipping is riskier.  It would be great if I could hand carry back to Hawaii with my permit, surrender the seeds to CBP so that they could give them to APHIS for inspection.  That way, minimal time in transit.  Alas, doesn't seem to be doable.

there may be a way, but i have to work it out.  there's someone else beyond the local station level that issues these permits. my friend got one that allows him to hand carry back stuff.  but application of rules is so spotty, it may not work.

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It matters. So the only nurseryís shipping grafted Green Sapote is in FL , where they use Mamey as rootstock. That wont work for CA . They are using Mamey because itís a good rootatock for south FL but wonít survive in CA. Here we need to use Green Sapote.

Since Lucuma is the most frost tolerant Pouteria we know of or have access to, no you canít graft it onto something for more frost tolerance.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Casimiroa edulis vs C. tetrameria
« on: February 07, 2024, 08:38:29 PM »
According to the fruit facts its a seedling of subelle which makes it part Tetrameria.

https://crfg.org/homepage/library/fruitfacts/white-sapote/

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: California Plant Hardiness Zones - 2023
« on: January 24, 2024, 09:25:03 PM »
Mangoes and other subtropicals that can handle a slight freeze ,I think the important data is in the temperature recovery time back to normal temps within their acceptable range.
If it go's below freezing for 12 hours but then the highs are high 40's for a week after that , some tree's can go backwards quick.
Some fruits need to stay above 55 to not go backwards or affect the fruit quality.

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Smathers is definitely Tetrameria. Been growing it grafted on Edulis for 10+ years and the tree's are not even 4 foot tall.
Got it from a forum member in FL.


Joel, if you know for sure that Fruit & Spice park has a Smathers, can you find out if it is a wooly leaf sapote or not. Also you should be able to notice the flesh is mostly yellow color. If you could take a photo of a fruit that would be helpful to me.

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True True we have to be consistent and maintain the existing name until informed otherwise by a taxonimist.
How are your ďBelize Blackberry Szyizyum doing? Haha, I think that one got sussed out what it actually is. There sure are a hell of alot more species available than a few years ago. Thanks Sellami>kameron for showing thereís money to be made and ennough interest for a profitable biz.
Truthfully have a hard time trusting ID's unless its from a source that has background in botany/systematics.  I think there's a lot of people in the fruit world that are basing IDs on sight alone whereas it is a much more complicated process than that. I.e. a lot of the psidiums that have gone around/are in my collection have very dubious ID's

Totally hear ya. I definitely could not tell you what is what, but from a standpoint of keeping consistency of what is what going around, those are the names that have been stated. So I guess until proven otherwise, itíd make sense to maintain those names.

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100%? haha, you have alot of faith in this man and his guide's identification skills. "in case you didn't know " shnarf shnarf shnarf, c'mon with dat.
I have never bought from these sellers but i do Pay attention. I think Kam's Id's are pretty 100 for so many species offered, the source and info is legit. I don't know who would win a frutas of brazil 100 question pop quiz but I get a feeling about who know's their shit and who is full of shit.
Ya man 100% Positive. Seeds were purchased from the man himself Hapa Joe in June 2022. In case you didnít know he actually goes into the jungle and collects the seeds HIMSELF, so these cane directly from the source, no middle man. So how would you like to pay Jeremy?  😉

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Mango or seagrape , Mango or seagrape. Mango!!

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: How Brad grew his avocado grove
« on: January 22, 2024, 03:33:27 PM »
keen observation's and insight Brad! good real talk.

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It may be that a more common name is Wooly Sapote or Wooly Leafed Sapote.
That does not look fuzzy enough to be Tetrameria to me. There are nuff hybrids with medium fuzz.

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Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Re: Kempong Avocado
« on: January 22, 2024, 03:25:40 PM »
If you live near Miami, go to Kampong , it's an awesome place for fruit tree lovers. Very old tree's.
Maybe the Kampong Avo still lives there, if it's in season you could get lucky and if it's out of season you can still make your own luck.
Hello fruit lovers!!! I am looking for Kempong avocado scion.
Thanks RichardÖ

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: ?!!!
« on: January 21, 2024, 12:11:15 PM »
I don't know what kinda Mandarins y'all are eating but out of the 20+ kinds of Mandarins I have tasted in CA none of them resemble Mangosteen in flavor or texture. Yeah the sections of fruit LOOK look similar .
Mandarins love the cold nights to develop flavor .

Most Mangosteen you find in the store is over ripe. if you can get it perfect ripeness without the transluscent jelly or yellow sap bleed it can be real nice but there are alot of fruits I would rather eat . As Garcinia's go I like good Achacha's better.
If your eating a pile of Durian, Mangosteen might get a lot more desireable to quell the sewer burps.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Pouteria lucuma
« on: January 21, 2024, 01:06:55 AM »
Interesting that Aussie Lucuma is pointed like some Canistel, I've only seen round forms.

That so cal Lucuma looks nasty, at least there's a seed to plant.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Pouteria lucuma
« on: January 19, 2024, 11:43:15 PM »

Pecan Pie and Inca Gold are in Nor Cal , 25 gallon grafted tree's sold with flowers/fruit but the fruit has yet to hold in nor cal.

Call before you haul and make sure they have or want to sell any grafted Kona , La Paz or La Molina 4.
 

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Pouteria lucuma
« on: January 18, 2024, 12:42:39 PM »
I think right now the pin for California is stuck on Nipomo as the farthest point north.
There is not any known fruiting Lucuma trees's north of there.
 I can't think of any nor cal public gardens that have any planted even.
hopefully the big grafted girls Papaya tree let go of can quit dropping their fruit prematurely.

So cal there is a handful of know fruiting tree's fullerton, quail gardens , papaya tree's and Ben's , that's what makes Kevin's discovery so exciting really.
The known tree's are mostly dry kind and the desire is more non chalky Lucuma, so hopefully we have a couple winners.

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Well they need drainage as priority. So if itís goopy when wet the mound makes sense so you can have some roots above the drowning in muck layer.
My comment is more directed at incorporating non native soils into your mound.
I would incorporate things that will help your native soil drain and help break up the clay . Black cinder , some DG , wood chips top dressing.
As you described I think it could not grow into the ground well and just prefer that mound soil mix.
But you have to try something , so experiment.
I mounded Avocadoís over straight blue clay soil muck at 16Ē depth so have dealt with this particular challenge before. Mounds over 12Ē above grade did not work for me. I hope you figure it out and unlock some good growth. Mucky Clay soils are a challenge for Avo growing for sure, and when its dry it locks up like a brick of clay.


Thanks Jonah. But my soil is unfriendly to avocados. In five years, my trees have barely grown or died. When wet, it's straight up goopy. Does it make sense to mound up using this soil?

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I would mound with native soil and top dress with wood chips. I've top dressed with black cinder for drainage in a super clayey garden.
too much sand can make the mix lock up, may as well just use DG since that's what they grow in in commercial orchards down south and it has more nutritional benefits that Avo's like.
adding all that soil from the aggregate yard just makes 2 different substrates and the top substrate will dry out too much in summer while the water needs in the different substrate will be, different.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Pouteria lucuma
« on: January 16, 2024, 12:49:29 AM »



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