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Hi I have been searching my history for this even taking hours
looked at the science web site in my previous  history  searched solanum (Solanaceae )
Smithsonian in my previous (ctrl +h) history  etc (Jstor BSA other reasearch articles I may have read )


All in all just found it just searched my history under tomato
go figure ..

I hope this tomato post  is received well enough
AND  no tomato throwing at me .


https://www.realclearscience.com/articles/2020/02/03/we_found_missing_links_in_tomato_evolution_111279.html

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Re: Tomato Interesting article where tomato came from Evolution
« Reply #1 on: June 01, 2022, 02:08:47 PM »


I hope this tomato post  is received well enough
AND  no tomato throwing at me .


https://theconversation.com/modern-tomatoes-are-very-different-from-their-wild-ancestors-and-we-found-missing-links-in-their-evolution-130041

Well could be a good thing to get the tomato's  thrown at me!
I' m poor could use for Bloody Mary  or just plain food (adding tbsp. Mayo to "sour tomato paste is not bad)

I guess I can now go on my history for that day, and find the more scientific stuff

(I got to say more interested in natural selections , and not Gene editing
Sorry will not let me copy picture of wild to cultivated tomato picture they have.)







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Re: Tomato Interesting article where tomato came from Evolution
« Reply #2 on: June 01, 2022, 03:13:56 PM »

Hi, my experience with tomatoes is just from home gardening and internet websites...i knew tomatoes were from the americas but
wasn't sure if they came from mexico or south america but they obviously spread all over in time.I do agree with that link
information even though i will tell you that the problem in "ultra tropical" areas is not only the diseases which are rampant.
However i must tell you in my experience that tomatoes don't simply die to disease right away(unless it's the rainy season
and it rains too much on them non stop)...they may grow very wbut then won't fruit.
for things like tomatoes and veggies in general but also there's a problem for flowering and producing fruit and this is not
only tomatoes but also peppers and even some eggplant varieties. However the smaller ones such as cherry type tomatoes or hot
peppers do really really well over here. It's probably tropical adaptation from those ancient wild species as the article says.
You can also grow things like cubanelle peppers and those italian type peppers over here...but bell peppers have problems
fruiting at all(at sea level)...you know there's a type of tomato called gajilete https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ExMREiP1qI
that also produces well in puerto rico that came from those italian type of tomatoes, that must be that those can flower well
without tropical winter or mountain tropical weather...that's the thing that in mid to high elevations any tomato or bell pepper
does really well over here!! it's also possible to grow other type of tomatoes at lower altitudes but only during the winter will
they ever produce. Hydroponics is another story...maybe it can be done that way in lower altitudes but i'm not sure...for herbs yes.


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Re: Tomato Interesting article where tomato came from Evolution
« Reply #3 on: June 01, 2022, 03:58:43 PM »
tHANK you good to haVE  actually someone experienced

for me I guess it is by the books
or just interested in botany (i Am )

what I wonder is those native Florida ones

All this I have no Idea

I want to learn more of others experiences

One thing I learned is sometimes on the out side
playing pool or billards sometimes the person winning has no idea what they are doing (that is me

(by the way This Leoopn Russal masquerade song is good)

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Re: Tomato Interesting article where tomato came from Evolution
« Reply #4 on: June 01, 2022, 04:33:28 PM »

Hi, my experience with tomatoes is just from home gardening and internet websites...i knew tomatoes were from the americas but
wasn't sure if they came from mexico or south america but they obviously spread all over in time.I do agree with that link
information even though i will tell you that the problem in "ultra tropical" areas is not only the diseases which are rampant.
.


Yeah I am  confused myself

I look at my history with no luck (march 23rd (
Thought I had better research pages 


All I can say is Screw conventional thinking as far as cooking
They say egg plant is good for frying (on the farm -- not jail)
I had in crook pot mushy cook all day long



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However i must tell you in my experience that tomatoes don't simply die to disease right away(unless it's the rainy season
and it rains too much on them non stop)...they may grow very wbut then won't fruit.
for things like tomatoes and veggies in general but also there's a problem for flowering and producing fruit and this is not
only tomatoes but also peppers and even some eggplant varieties. However the smaller ones such as cherry type tomatoes or hot
peppers do really really well over here. It's probably tropical adaptation from those ancient wild species as the article says.
You can also grow things like cubanelle peppers and those italian type peppers over here.

good to know
soundgarden song said know at same time




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Re: Tomato Interesting article where tomato came from Evolution
« Reply #5 on: June 01, 2022, 04:35:10 PM »
Oh they say

Europe tomato had no Disease

After 100 years the dieseas adapted

I cannot remember everything I read
guess you could say some guy claims this to be the case 
(named Francis Eric , and it is how it is )

 I have no proof
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Re: Tomato Interesting article where tomato came from Evolution
« Reply #6 on: June 01, 2022, 04:44:02 PM »

Hi, my experience with tomatoes is just from home gardening and internet websites...i knew tomatoes were from the americas but
wasn't sure if they came from mexico or south america but they obviously spread all over in time.I do agree with that link
information even though i will tell you that the problem in "ultra tropical" areas is not only the diseases which are rampant.
However i must tell you in my experience that tomatoes don't simply die to disease right away(unless it's the rainy season
and it rains too much on them non stop)...they may grow very wbut then won't fruit.
for things like tomatoes and veggies in general but also there's a problem for flowering and producing fruit and this is not
only tomatoes but also peppers and even some eggplant varieties. However the smaller ones such as cherry type tomatoes or hot
peppers do really really well over here. It's probably tropical adaptation from those ancient wild species as the article says.
You can also grow things like cubanelle peppers and those italian type peppers over here...but bell peppers have problems
fruiting at all(at sea level)...you know there's a type of tomato called gajilete https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ExMREiP1qI
that also produces well in puerto rico that came from those italian type of tomatoes, that must be that those can flower well
without tropical winter or mountain tropical weather...that's the thing that in mid to high elevations any tomato or bell pepper
does really well over here!! it's also possible to grow other type of tomatoes at lower altitudes but only during the winter will
they ever produce. Hydroponics is another story...maybe it can be done that way in lower altitudes but i'm not sure...for herbs yes.


di you hear the new purple (not cultivated )
species

New discovered

(noty this one

https://www.usna.usda.gov/assets/images/as_standard_image/Capsicum_annuum_Black_Pearl.pdf

It is nice talking with you
Any hel[p is welcome\

Capsicum regale
New

- https://phytokeys.pensoft.net/article/57751/zoom/fig/12/

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Re: Tomato Interesting article where tomato came from Evolution
« Reply #7 on: June 01, 2022, 06:09:53 PM »
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Re: Tomato Interesting article where tomato came from Evolution
« Reply #8 on: June 01, 2022, 06:29:39 PM »

Hi, my experience with tomatoes is just from home gardening and internet websites...i knew tomatoes were from the americas but
wasn't sure if they came from mexico or south america but they obviously spread all over in time.I do agree with that link
information even though i will tell you that the problem in "ultra tropical" areas is not only the diseases which are rampant.
However i must tell you in my experience that tomatoes don't simply die to disease right away(unless it's the rainy season
and it rains too much on them non stop)...they may grow very wbut then won't fruit.
for things like tomatoes and veggies in general but also there's a problem for flowering and producing fruit and this is not
only tomatoes but also peppers and even some eggplant varieties. However the smaller ones such as cherry type tomatoes or hot
peppers do really really well over here. It's probably tropical adaptation from those ancient wild species as the article says.
You can also grow things like cubanelle peppers and those italian type peppers over here...but bell peppers have problems
fruiting at all(at sea level)...you know there's a type of tomato called gajilete https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ExMREiP1qI
that also produces well in puerto rico that came from those italian type of tomatoes, that must be that those can flower well
without tropical winter or mountain tropical weather...that's the thing that in mid to high elevations any tomato or bell pepper
does really well over here!! it's also possible to grow other type of tomatoes at lower altitudes but only during the winter will
they ever produce. Hydroponics is another story...maybe it can be done that way in lower altitudes but i'm not sure...for herbs yes.


di you hear the new purple (not cultivated )
species

New discovered

(noty this one

https://www.usna.usda.gov/assets/images/as_standard_image/Capsicum_annuum_Black_Pearl.pdf

It is nice talking with you
Any hel[p is welcome\

Capsicum regale
New

- https://phytokeys.pensoft.net/article/57751/zoom/fig/12/

never seen those before...i have seen plenty of them that are multicolor though..

look at this idea where you can graft tomatoes in solanum torvum to avoid diseases and such you can make a tomato "tree" or eggplant tree. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=16t5FSnsFQU


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Re: Tomato Interesting article where tomato came from Evolution
« Reply #10 on: June 06, 2022, 01:38:41 PM »
Florida everglades tomato. Does really well in Florida. Small good tasting fruit. Supposedly not a true tomato but a wild ancestor. Looks and tastes like a tomato. Better adapted to the tropics. Grows faster than other tomatoes. Hard to find but my dad got some seeds online and growing it. I think it's originally from South America but was grown by Indians in florida.

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« Reply #11 on: June 06, 2022, 08:27:46 PM »
Florida everglades tomato. Does really well in Florida. Small good tasting fruit. Supposedly not a true tomato but a wild ancestor. Looks and tastes like a tomato. Better adapted to the tropics. Grows faster than other tomatoes. Hard to find but my dad got some seeds online and growing it. I think it's originally from South America but was grown by Indians in florida.

The one I have popped up in my garden on its own. Probably dropped by some critter. Most people grow them in poor soil with little care and get small tomatoes. However, I have found that they can produce grocery store size cherry tomato fruit (5/8") if they get good care. Just don't over do the nitrogen or you may not find your way out of the garden again! I even have a hybrid plant that must be a cross with an heirloom tomato that I grew (seed was actually saved from the heirloom tomato). It is like a larger grape version of the Evergaldes. I am curious to see how it does over the summer.

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Re: Tomato Interesting article where tomato came from Evolution
« Reply #12 on: June 10, 2022, 10:23:46 PM »
I thank you digigarden for those links

I did see some tomato that can survive freezing
would be nice hybridizing , species (with paint brush)

I was going to dig up last years Heirloom (weather was funny winter crept up very late out of Now where )

Edit a quick though maybe I could just have to grow the one that can take frozen weather

And just graft onto roots with new Normal tomato

OH Digi garden

I did see a Garden catalog with Purple peppers (called black something)

A few new species that are pretty cool

Not a Solanum species, but a Annonaceae (cherimoya species ) has one that has a flower like a Solonum speices


I may have wanted to make a post one day, when I had a funny goofy sense of Humor... (oh, and new to science )

 

 
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Re: Tomato Interesting article where tomato came from Evolution
« Reply #13 on: June 10, 2022, 10:32:13 PM »
I visit New Orleans , and areas (and lived there a year )

I'd be cool if I could get seeds or buy them of Florida Tomato

maybe I could trade ..

Also pollen might be cool (willing to pay, but not certain of the time it flowers )

(I may see the pollen   stores to pollintate later my tomato  (worth a gamble )


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« Reply #14 on: September 26, 2022, 07:36:57 PM »
Grow that hybrid and sell some seeds on here.

 

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