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Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Re: Chocolate persimmon scion
« on: May 20, 2023, 12:40:52 PM »
Never heard of a sour persimmon, interesting.
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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Using ocean water have any benefits?
« on: May 14, 2023, 11:11:20 PM »
At the least the chlorine in seawater can cause issues for many plants, but chlorine should be removable using silver. You could then treat the silver with an acid and get most of it back, but you will always lose a little. Seems like an expensive way to go to get minerals that you could find other sources for.
If growing plants that aren't susceptible to chlorine issues, you might be OK.
If growing plants that aren't susceptible to chlorine issues, you might be OK.
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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Jackfruit success stories in SoCal???
« on: May 03, 2023, 03:13:58 PM »
There's plenty of frost free hillside further inland where it is much hotter, that still gets marine influence at night.
I'd say there's plenty of opportunity for success out here, though all my seeds get eaten by squirrels as quickly as I plant them.
I'd say there's plenty of opportunity for success out here, though all my seeds get eaten by squirrels as quickly as I plant them.
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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Cherilata in Southern California
« on: May 03, 2023, 03:11:15 PM »
Same season as La Habra Late.
Not much other competition from the annona gang this time of year.
Not much other competition from the annona gang this time of year.
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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Mulberry Fruit Comparison
« on: May 02, 2023, 11:42:14 PM »
Persian will begin ripening fruit in a month or so and last for 2 weeks to 4 weeks. It looks like the tree I planted seven years ago is going to start ripening fruit over 3-4 weeks instead of the usual 2 weeks. Buds began opening over a week ago, and there are already fruit developing while other flowers are just beginning to show, and some buds haven't even opened yet.
I need to dig them out, but I have some small fruit protection bags I picked up in Japan. I believe they were for loquats or apricots, but they should be about the right size for a bunch of mulberries.
The trouble is that they're three to a bunch and to open the bag to get one out will likely knock the others off before they are ready. I think the white ones may actually have enough sugar to dry on their own in the paper bags without spoilage, and I am willing to experiment. I will update with how it goes.
I need to dig them out, but I have some small fruit protection bags I picked up in Japan. I believe they were for loquats or apricots, but they should be about the right size for a bunch of mulberries.
The trouble is that they're three to a bunch and to open the bag to get one out will likely knock the others off before they are ready. I think the white ones may actually have enough sugar to dry on their own in the paper bags without spoilage, and I am willing to experiment. I will update with how it goes.
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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Seedling Mango tree thread
« on: May 01, 2023, 11:49:25 PM »
I went through the grove today and found a seedling I purchased from exotica that bounced back from containerization and appears to be outgrowing the gopher damage. Fingers crossed, as the sap has a Gary type smell. Probably at least 2 years from fruiting, 3 seems more likely.
A Juile seed with a Gary type smell was planted next door earlier this year. It came from a grove with several likely Gary descendants.
A Juile seed with a Gary type smell was planted next door earlier this year. It came from a grove with several likely Gary descendants.
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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Mulberry Fruit Comparison
« on: May 01, 2023, 02:46:42 PM »I'm very curious which if any of the green/white/local varieties can hang until yellow. Frank Habetler who recently passed on shared some scions of a tree he had which was likely one of these. What made it interesting is that the fruit hang until yellow, at which point they take on a pina colada flavor.
Very interested to ID this one, as Frank said it was a common variety, but lost the tag for it.
I got scion of a white mulberry cultivar from Marta named Frank, not sure if this is the same one you are referring to. Unlike Saharanpur and the other White Pakistan, Frank easily rooted from a cutting. I am growing several other white varieties besides the three previously mentioned, but won't be able to do a good comparison of the fruits for a couple more years. Look forward to tasting a white mulberry with pina colada flavor.
Janet
I saw birds today raiding the crop. Looks like bagging will be necessary.
The variety is with all likelihood a different cultivar. The Frank's Yellow doesn't root in any of my attempts. It's even a challenge for getting grafts to take.
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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Seedling Mango tree thread
« on: May 01, 2023, 02:41:28 PM »I fruited a Sugarloaf (E4) seedling. See page 8 of this thread. Last year was the first year it fruited so I need to evaluate it some more but so far it seems like it’s a clone of the actual E4 with some very minor differences which may be attributed to the rootstock or environmental factors.
In my review, I compared the real E4 Fruit, which is grafted to my multigraft Turpentine rootstock tree to my Seedling E4 fruit that was grown and fruited on my E4 seedling tree. My multigraft E4 tree is in full sun but the graft is towards the lower branches so the leave’s around the graft don’t get as much sun as my E4 Seedling tree. My E4 seedling tree is right next to a fence and gets a lot of shading because the fence is South facing but the fruit were in the upper canopy of the tree where it got decent Sunlight which may explain why the real E4 skin color stayed green whereas my Seedlings E4 skin color changed to a mottled Yellow/brown. My E4 seedling fruit may have also been slightly sun burned.
Either way, I’m super happy with the fruit from my E4 seedling because it’s a relatively vigorous grower and its blooms are disease resistant.
I have two other E4 seedlings which should fruit this year or next. I would highly recommend people in Southern California try growing out some E4 seedlings.
Simon
Where can you get an E4 here in San Diego?
That's a real challenge, I think most of the people who grow it in SD are grafting scions from Florida onto established rootstock trees in the ground.
Since it's poly your best bet is to acquire seed and go from there.
The seeds are often aborted in this variety, so if you find someone selling seed, make sure they open the husk.
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Citrus General Discussion / Re: Best tasting italian lemon ?
« on: April 30, 2023, 11:14:15 AM »
I've only had Santa Theresa, a Femminello type.
I thought the rind had a very nice texture, also it had no bitterness or astringency you might get from a store lemon. The was no resin like you would get in a Meyer. The fruit had ideal acidity from what I can recall.
I used them in Piccatta, where the rind is cooked and consumed right along with the pulp, so it was the superior variety for me.
I thought the rind had a very nice texture, also it had no bitterness or astringency you might get from a store lemon. The was no resin like you would get in a Meyer. The fruit had ideal acidity from what I can recall.
I used them in Piccatta, where the rind is cooked and consumed right along with the pulp, so it was the superior variety for me.
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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Mulberry Fruit Comparison
« on: April 30, 2023, 10:49:58 AM »
Thanks for the confirmation. I suspected they may all be the same.
My tree is only 4-5 years, but is bearing well, but as soon as the rats and squirrels figured out they can be eaten at any stage other than green, I haven't tasted a single one.
My tree is only 4-5 years, but is bearing well, but as soon as the rats and squirrels figured out they can be eaten at any stage other than green, I haven't tasted a single one.
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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Mulberry Fruit Comparison
« on: April 30, 2023, 12:31:08 AM »
I'm very curious which if any of the green/white/local varieties can hang until yellow. Frank Habetler who recently passed on shared some scions of a tree he had which was likely one of these. What made it interesting is that the fruit hang until yellow, at which point they take on a pina colada flavor.
Very interested to ID this one, as Frank said it was a common variety, but lost the tag for it.
Very interested to ID this one, as Frank said it was a common variety, but lost the tag for it.
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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Super Alphonso / Zill 36-8 / India
« on: April 30, 2023, 12:28:20 AM »
It's only recently been released, noone is likely to have more info that Alex (Squam256), as he has been growing it the longest.
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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: What two mango trees would you like to cross and have a Seedling
« on: April 30, 2023, 12:26:50 AM »
Anything to improve Ice Cream. It's so highly regarded, but such a poor performer, it's an obvious choice for improvement. Maybe cross it with Edgar.
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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Should I thin white sapote fruits?
« on: April 27, 2023, 12:40:51 AM »
My tree is going nuts with flowers, planning to thin once the unpollinated flowers drop.
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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Blame the rain on me
« on: April 17, 2023, 11:15:19 PM »
That's some terrifying weather when it happens.
If I want rain, I just wash the car, works every time.
If I want rain, I just wash the car, works every time.
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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Truly Tropical Chris interviews Dr Campbell video
« on: April 15, 2023, 09:12:50 PM »
He's taking the genetic selection/selective hybridization approach over the chemical treatment approach.
Exciting to know he was able to gather/preserve/experiment with forlorn genetics that could potentially benefit the industries, but also that the discoveries could benefit future efforts in unexpected ways.
I'm really interested in rootstock influences by the newer discoveries.
Exciting to know he was able to gather/preserve/experiment with forlorn genetics that could potentially benefit the industries, but also that the discoveries could benefit future efforts in unexpected ways.
I'm really interested in rootstock influences by the newer discoveries.
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Temperate Fruit Discussion / Re: How far North has someone grown a pawpaw?
« on: April 11, 2023, 10:51:48 PM »
In a similar topic, I'm curious how far South someone is growing them.
In Southern Alabama, I planted tiny grafted trees, they took the 10 F lows in stride their first year in the ground, most of my other fruit trees fried.
I'm curious how well your trees do in subsequent years.
In Southern Alabama, I planted tiny grafted trees, they took the 10 F lows in stride their first year in the ground, most of my other fruit trees fried.
I'm curious how well your trees do in subsequent years.
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Citrus Buy, Sell, & Trade / Re: WTB Sudachi seeds and related
« on: April 07, 2023, 07:48:20 PM »
Check the local Japanese markets, you will find them.
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Citrus General Discussion / Re: Shipping Scionwood to California
« on: April 07, 2023, 07:43:53 PM »
CCPP always includes extra in my experience, a lot extra.
If you need practice, you can hack the rootstock apart and graft it back together.
If you need practice, you can hack the rootstock apart and graft it back together.
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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Seedling Mango tree thread
« on: April 06, 2023, 05:57:30 PM »Oolie, I've not yet encountered a spicy orange smell in mango leaves/sap. Looking forward to a taste report on that one.Haven't had any others which smell this way. Different from LZ, different from CC and other Gary descendants. Looking forward to the fruit, it's 4th year in the ground.
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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Does any fruit ripen in spring? (Zone 10A)
« on: April 06, 2023, 02:47:36 AM »I have tried on numerous occasions to root Persian cuttings without success. That said I know it grafts well to white mulberry as that's what mine is grafted to, and I have had success grafting it to alba.If you have one to sell my sister has offered a Hill Country spot for it 😁This is an interesting discussion about mulberries in Florida. I bought one many years ago at Home Depot labeled as M. nigra and it is almost bulletproof. I had always thought that one of the defining features of M. nigra was that it didn't have seeds. I have never seen seeds in mine (although I have noticed tiny seeds in the Pakistani mulberry that I obtained from Pine Island Nursery many years later). I believe that Pakistani is a M. alba cultivar (which to my understanding does have seeds). I wonder if nematodes are the issue instead of humidity?
I understand Florida has a different type of RKN than we have in San Diego. My mulberry tree is planted in an RKN infested area, but shows no issues above ground.
The defining phenotypes of M.nigra are black buds when dormant, very juicy berries with high acid, poor performance outside of dry climates.
If pollinated with a male M.nigra they produce fertile seed, mine have a crunch to them, but never produce viable seed.
After researching your comments, I have discovered that my supposed nigra is probably an alba or a hybrid. And that the Pakistani mulberry is not an alba either but is a 4th species that I had never heard of --Morus macroura.
https://cultivar.guide/mulberry
Thanks for pointing me in the right direction. Its good to get things straightened out even if it took 25 years.
You're welcome. This kind of mislabeling is rampant in the nursery industry. I recommend you try the real nigra, they're really impressive.
If she starts now with some rootstock, I may be able to ship cuttings when the dormant season arrives.
Also Harvey Correia has many cultivars of nigra and does sell them if you let him know sometime in December.
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Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Re: Looking for Alphonso Mango Tree
« on: April 06, 2023, 01:03:11 AM »
There's a tree which may do well called Little Gem, Zill 29-26. A compact grower which is becoming more common and has a lot of desirable features. If you can find one, it may be a better choice for growing in a pot.
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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Does Tamarind (Tamarindus indica) grow in Florida or California ?
« on: April 06, 2023, 12:58:37 AM »
Under ideal conditions a legume should be able to acquire nitrogen through symbiosis. The nutrient which would provide greatest benefit is likely potassium. It might help to add molasses to jump start the bacteria in the nodules.
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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Does any fruit ripen in spring? (Zone 10A)
« on: April 06, 2023, 12:52:09 AM »This is an interesting discussion about mulberries in Florida. I bought one many years ago at Home Depot labeled as M. nigra and it is almost bulletproof. I had always thought that one of the defining features of M. nigra was that it didn't have seeds. I have never seen seeds in mine (although I have noticed tiny seeds in the Pakistani mulberry that I obtained from Pine Island Nursery many years later). I believe that Pakistani is a M. alba cultivar (which to my understanding does have seeds). I wonder if nematodes are the issue instead of humidity?
I understand Florida has a different type of RKN than we have in San Diego. My mulberry tree is planted in an RKN infested area, but shows no issues above ground.
The defining phenotypes of M.nigra are black buds when dormant, very juicy berries with high acid, poor performance outside of dry climates.
If pollinated with a male M.nigra they produce fertile seed, mine have a crunch to them, but never produce viable seed.
After researching your comments, I have discovered that my supposed nigra is probably an alba or a hybrid. And that the Pakistani mulberry is not an alba either but is a 4th species that I had never heard of --Morus macroura.
https://cultivar.guide/mulberry
Thanks for pointing me in the right direction. Its good to get things straightened out even if it took 25 years.
You're welcome. This kind of mislabeling is rampant in the nursery industry. I recommend you try the real nigra, they're really impressive.
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