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Please PM me if you have access to any of these four cultivars (from two species).

This species is now considered Gambeya albida... see

It also wouldn't hurt to show a dissected fruit.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / You thought prices were bad where you lived...
« on: November 10, 2023, 12:07:11 PM »
Came across a vendor in the UK...

Eugenia uniflora $250
Russel's Sweet Garcinia $312
Plinia cauliflora $323
Eugenia luschnathiana $373 (was $1868)
Myrciaria vexator $499
Garcinia indica $623

I wonder what the prices are in Dubai

If you can supply viable seeds of Elder/Elderflower/Elderberry (Sambucus nigra or canadensis)...

Please PM me what cultivar you have and the price.

It would be a lot less confusing for the forum if you referred to this species using the more common appellation of "wooly leaf sapote." It's more green than yellow, and isn't in the Sapotaceae family.

While P. campechiana is called canistel, it is also very much associated with the term yellow sapote, for good reason.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / From the River to the Sea-shore mangosteen
« on: November 05, 2023, 07:01:13 PM »
For those who want to mediate a peace process in the ongoing Garcinia celebica vs Garcinia hombroniana conflict:

Such a shame that there is confusion on the scientific is now a. parvus when researchers in Indonesia named it last year.

This is no such shame. In an age of rapid dissemination of information, there is no excuse for people to not get with the program.

The issue was sorted in 2020 and the researchers were Americans, who had to deal with mislabeled/mixed materials in herbaria. They used phylogenetics to put this beyond doubt, I think only a clerical error could result in some unexpected change now.

The Artocarpus genus is blessed to have such competent researchers in Gardner and Zerega. The real shame is Garcinia. Sure, a bit harder due to the dioeciousness, but the researchers are duds in my book. I'd sooner have faith in Patrick Swayze than Patrick Sweeney.

Natural History Publishers of Borneo will release a book on Artocarpus in the near future.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Yangmei (Morella/Myrica rubra) thread
« on: October 30, 2023, 05:41:51 PM »
After skimming a couple of articles on Myrica phylogeny and seeing the Bayesian dendrograms, I thought I would summarize the relatedness of the main spp. to Myrica rubra. This information might be useful for rootstock grafting, since I suspect there is too much intrageneric separation in a pantemperate genus as this for universal compatibility.

1. M. adenophora
2. M. nana
3. M. esculenta & M. integrifolia
4. M. caroliniensis, cerifera, pensylvanica, quercifolia & spathulata
5. M. gale & hartwegii

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Appeal to those with a fruiting kwaimuk tree
« on: October 30, 2023, 08:56:30 AM »
I think it is about time wikipedia had a photo for its article on Artocarpus parvus. Tree or fruit or both. It doesn't have to be professional but has to be original work.

How on earth can you think that cabeludinha is a Plinia? You have been dealing with hundreds of Myrtaceae species for many years. This forum that you frequent every day uses the correct binomial.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: JoeHewitt!! Show us your place!
« on: October 02, 2023, 01:19:51 PM »
I bet I know how Bobby tags his graffiti... "Bobby Biswas here"...

Seriously though that quiff is bad ass.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Pouteria torta
« on: August 24, 2023, 10:36:15 AM »
The taxonomy of Pouteria torta has undergone quite a few changes in the lifetime of this thread. When this forum was born, there were four subspecies: torta, glabra, gallifructa, tuberculata.

About a decade ago, glabra and gallifructa were promoted to species in their own right, leaving torta and tuberculata.

Then, earlier this year (2023) a paper was published by Swenson et al. called Reassessment of generic boundaries in Neotropical Chrysophylloideae (Sapotaceae): Eleven reinstated genera and narrowed circumscriptions of Chrysophyllum and Pouteria. In it, tuberculata was promoted to a species, meaning Pouteria torta is now a bare species. Yesterday, Flora do Brasil updated their database. It will probably take POWO a couple of months. Who knows if this is what the dust will settle on but my guess is yes.

And for those interested in common vernacular, the term guapeva is much more associated with this species than abiurana. At least in Brazil. The old English name is listed as "Twisted Pouteria" (a direct translation of the Latin for P. torta) as in tortuous trunk, but of course no collector or farmer is going to call it that.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Suggestions for a small hedge?
« on: August 14, 2023, 02:45:20 AM »
I think Suriname cherry wants to naturally grow much larger than 5 feet.

I would look into Pitangatuba, Goumi and Chilean Guava.

b00m. is updated. Special acknowledgment goes to the godfather of Pouteria-- Anderson Alves-Araujo, and also the Steven Hawking of fruit Helton Muniz.

I think that first online source just uses the second source. No one has ever dedicated much time to coordinating a common sense vernacular for Pouteria, it's not really a scientific endeavor, so it seems pretty arbitrary for folks like Lorenzi who publish general books on Brazilian trees. Bapeba is one of those very common names applied to a bunch of species, probably by folks who weren't even aware that there is a Pouteria bapeba.

I'm pretty sure I saw Cutite de restinga in Helton's book. He hasn't included an online profile on his website but does have it on his list of Sapotaceae Helton obviously isn't as regarded as contemporary academics. But there is a good chance he is working off much older sources. He's a beast when it comes to plowing through the heavy material. I'll ask him.

Edit: He said he uses Cutite de restinga because it just makes more sense, not because he saw it in a published paper. It is a sister (allied) species of Cutite that is adapted to the restinga biome. Not the best candidate for the bapeba name. Flora Do Brasil has bapeba as a common name for Pouteria bapeba. But hasn't got any vernacular for P. pachycalyx yet.

The common name I found for this species is Cutite de restinga. What would you call Pouteria bapeba?

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Vietnam Dwarf Jackfruit?
« on: July 05, 2023, 06:01:47 AM »
Which is an Indonesian mini renamed.

Nangka-mini was the original sobriquet used by the Indonesian seller. A great novelty but unfortunately seems to have no adaptability outside tropics.

Just as a side note, the first ever book on the genus Artocarpus is scheduled for publishing in early 2024, and while the original intent was to be a scientific monograph, it will include a lot of info useful for laymen, such as common vernacular used for species. This should make ID much easier, along with the abundant photographs. There should also be info on cultivars, for jakfruit at least.

So if you want to know the difference between a cheena and a chempejak... keep your eyes (and rags) peeled.

Please PM me...

I have tried all of the Florida farms of note... no luck.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Happy donut day
« on: June 02, 2023, 03:01:37 PM »
I don't understand the reference or relevance.

Donut peaches on the other hand...

Please PM me if you can supply seeds of any of the following in the near future:
  • Dwarf Parrita (Synonym Pumpkin Pie) mamey sapote
  • Excalibur mamey sapote

I have already tried Lara Farms and other vendors and institutes in Florida, to no avail.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Is this jak ripe and ready to pick?
« on: May 30, 2023, 08:42:33 AM »
For those who have access to an Indian squirrel, they are able to tell when a jakfruit is ripe.

They probably know before the overt scent is released.

Wow, getting technical. Most people don't know the difference between foliage and foilage.

Welwitschia has leaves that can last a few thousand years. It is on the coat-of-arms of Namibia. Very unique species. A family with just one genus and one species.

To answer your question, long-lived and indefinite leaves are called persistent. There is even such a thing as persistent fruit; some chokeberries, dogwoods and hawthorns.

Leaves that are replaced are called caducous or fugacious, though I think these terms can be used for both evergreen and deciduous species.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Pitomba (Talisia esculenta)
« on: May 24, 2023, 11:36:11 AM »
Both of the replies in this thread appear to be talking about Eugenia luschnathiana (Bahia Pitomba) rather than Talisia esculenta (the true Pitomba). A lot people just use common names on this forum rather than scientific. It doesn't help that there is the curse of common vernacular names that appropriates existing fruit names and puts an adjective in front... Pineapple Guava, Mamey sapote, Irish Strawberry Tree, Grapefruit, Indian fig... need to reformat completely.

To OP: I would advise you to translate this page:
The biggest pity with this species is that the layer of pulp is very thin. I have asked quite a few people in Brazil if there are any varieties that have more pulp, and they all say no.

Available for pickup in Zagreb, Croatia (270km from Vienna, Bratislava...)

Semi-advanced, grafted trees

Annona atemoya in pot 1.5 metres, 90
Annona reticulata in pot 1.2 metres, 70

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Fruits with Side Effects
« on: March 14, 2023, 11:03:03 AM »
Apples are good to eat in the morning to wake you up. White sapote and to lesser extent kiwifruit are good before bed.

Mamey fruit (Mammea americana) causes immense stomach pains or some kind of visceral allergic reaction in some people, even lab rodents have died from consuming the pulp...

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