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I see at least one failed graft, looks like two.

The crotch angles on the "v" trees is too narrow, less than 60 degrees, when the trees are larger they will split there. Better to lose the extra growth now when damage will be small. For each of those, pick a winner and remove the other side, then plant so the winner faces mostly up. Since they are in-ground already, you can put a stake in on the side you cut away and bend the tree and secure it to the stake until the tree starts growing in the right direction.

You can graft low and it's not much of an issue, but I usually head back trees pretty hard when grafting. On trees the size of yours, you might as well head back the top a bit and graft higher, and let the scar lower down get "healed over".

If you want to gamble on seedling genetics, crush some freshly flushed leaves and smell the sap.
That will give you a general idea of how the fruit will taste. If you don't like it, just graft to something you want. I know if I found sap smelling like Alphose I would let it try to fruit, but taste is subjective, I know others who would graft it right away if it had that smell.

Please ignore the above spammer post.

Also, Pina colada is not the most ideal choice due to low vigor, but if your rootstock is exceptionally vigorous and the PC is grafted in a prominent spot on the tree, it may do well, but expect droopy, difficult to manage growth from low vigor varieties.

Most varieties will put out multiple blooms in SoCal which gives multiple crops, but not all varieties are vigorous enough, and many have unique flavors.

A trick that may work is grafting with immature scions, where you use a poly variety to produce a scion you then graft onto a mature tree (the same thing that they do in Florida, but for the opposite result). I've had mixed results, sometimes I get a year of vegetal flushes, and other-times flowering is triggered.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Need help with mango grafting
« on: June 11, 2024, 06:45:56 PM »
I usually remove a bunch of growth when I graft, it triggers a harder flush.

Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Re: WTB Maha Chanok seeds
« on: June 10, 2024, 11:11:45 PM »
I think both Maha and Seacrest are mono, so you will get offspring that are different from the parent. But both have good traits for SoCal, so you might get good results.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Seedling Mango tree thread
« on: June 09, 2024, 04:22:01 PM »
Looks like you got your "Pound of flesh"

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Cherimoya pollination
« on: June 09, 2024, 04:16:55 AM »
They usually do OK with little to no fertilizer. Maybe some potassium to cope with drought stress.

40 is a bit warm. If it starts to defoliate, you might consider trying atemoya.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Cherimoya pollination
« on: June 09, 2024, 02:19:23 AM »
If you grab the anthers too early, the pollen may not have had time to dehisce.
If you catch the stigma at a time where it is sticky just leaving the anthers in contact is sometimes enough, as the anthers will release the pollen in time.

If there is no pollen present on the stigma it is possible you got there too late after an insect had harvested the pollen. I've seen it where bees will beat you to the pollen. Not with cherimoya though.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Cherimoya or Atemoya - Plant id pls
« on: June 07, 2024, 02:22:10 AM »
If you planted sugar apple seeds I'd call it an atemoya, but they were definitely cherimoya seeds. It's a cherimoya.

Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Re: WTB white mulberry plant
« on: June 07, 2024, 02:19:41 AM »
If you let the fruit get to yellow stage it gets pina colada flavor, it's really good.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Whatís up with my Mango?
« on: June 05, 2024, 01:34:41 AM »
The PM usually won't affect the later flushes, but these early ones all tend to look like that if untreated or susceptible. LZ is probably the poster child for susceptibility to PM, but many of the newer ones from Gary's program have this trait, so you see it a lot. My LZ's all look exactly like the picture on their new growth, but I have one seedling that shows now abnormalities without treatment, so it's not going to hit all varieties equally.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Whatís up with my Mango?
« on: June 04, 2024, 11:44:00 PM »
Looks like PM damage, Lemon Zest is particularly susceptible.

There's no fixing it, but when you see swollen buds, you can begin a weekly spray of wettable sulfur or skim milk. They both work, but you have to be consistent.

That said, many mango types are resistant to it, so if you graft it over to one of those, it won't be an issue.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: 2024 FL Mango Season
« on: June 04, 2024, 12:32:28 PM »
had a boatload of lemon zest's and several others get blown off the tree after a violent storm a couple weeks ago. Because it had been so dry, the ones that ripened properly were amazing. Had a few Carrie's that were the best I can ever recall and having a coconut flavor. However, i tried one after it rained a couple times and it was washed out  :-[

Also looking forward to trying a Gary seedling i have that has an oblong (maha/nam doc) shape to it. Very surprised by this shape. I know Gary is poly but don't recall checking the seed at the time.

Crush a leaf and smell the sap? Does it smell like Gary?

My tree didn't bear much until year 8, most of the years previous was small crops.
Likely you'll be getting a bunch soon.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Zill selling mangos this year?
« on: June 02, 2024, 05:55:23 PM »
Just go to Walter Zill for mangoes and he wont disappoint when it comes to picking mangoes correctly. Should be open now.
100% agree.  The buying experience is great and they pick with home consumption in mind.  If you have some time, Walter may regale you with he history of the variety and talk you into trying something he likes.  Alter the taste, you may leave with a few of the new finds in your purchase.

Can anyone say Amy, Veronica and Beatrice :)

Any more info on Veronica?

If you can't find grafted trees, it usually grows true-to-type from seed, and seedlings have the added benefit of not flowering for the first three years to provide time for the tree to establish, where grafted trees often try to fruit themselves to death.

A seed grown ST in SoCal with regular watering should be 4-6 feet in a growing season depending on how hot it gets where you are, where grafted ones tend to remain stunted for a year while they establish.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Help ID- CORG
« on: June 02, 2024, 01:34:54 AM »
While not true to seeds, the seedlings of CORG are usually pretty similar to the parent.

They air layer well, so if you do have access to the tree you could do that or approach graft.

I've had poor luck with straight cuttings, but that's not to say it won't work, maybe try the green wood.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: 2024 FL Mango Season
« on: June 02, 2024, 01:32:05 AM »
Another CC seed or GH seed?

It's 50% odds or better to be a poly seed in GH.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Responsible Moss HarvestingSite?
« on: June 01, 2024, 07:45:52 PM »
Anyone in Western Washington might be able to help. Our trees get loaded with several kinds of moss and lichen.

There's a Peanut festival in Dothan, it's at the fairgrounds.

Best tasting boiled peanuts I've found.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: 2024 FL Mango Season
« on: June 01, 2024, 07:35:45 PM »
My best producer this year, and seems to frequently be for the tree size. Peach Cobbler Mango in Cocoa Fl.

Any possibility it's mislabeled? PC/O2 is a rounder more green fruit, somewhat late season and not known for good production in South Florida.

Maybe from TopTrops?

Squirrels are cute unless you grow fruit. Now, back to mangoes...

Some Sweet Tarts are starting to lightly yellow in small splotches, with browning stems. All are just medium-small size, which is throwing me off. In the past, ST has been the most forgiving in terms of early picking, Seems most eventually became edible or awesome, no matter how early they were picked. Wouldn't push that thinking too far, but I've failed with many others and ST hasn't punished me. Ran a squirrel off of them the other day, think it's about time to sample one.

Sounds like sunscald, we see that a lot on mango and other large fruit (avocados mainly) in SoCal. Maybe the recent weather has led to some similar outcomes.

It gets better, with more sugar and acid, the vegetal component provides a nice accent.

It's nowhere near as good as the White Shatoot, and far beneath any M.nigra.

Both FP and PP are thought to be mono.

I really liked O2/PC, it's really good, but a little later in the season compared to the OS, you'll likely have some overlap, but it will likely be OS->ST->PC/O2, but you may need to get multiple shipments to get them all.

OS is very fine, has a lot of Gary character, so if you're into that orange creamsicle component, then definitely seek out the OS and PC/O2.

As far as other ones that should do well in SoCal, I'm banking on P22, it's like Zinc which is high praise. It has been noted as Poly, and has a really nice texture.

Alex thinks the USDA Taymour is a candidate for SoCal for strong resin types. It's Poly.

Johnny has noted his success with Seacrest/Triplesec. It has Gary character and is Mono, so you will need to graft this one, FP and PP.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: 2024 FL Mango Season
« on: June 01, 2024, 12:45:11 AM »
The squirrelinator gets them pretty well once modified, there is a ratinator too.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: 2024 FL Mango Season
« on: May 31, 2024, 08:49:56 PM »
Sounds like SoCal, get ready for NDMs to split and brix to climb.

Last year's Kesars were the best I've ever had. They weren't even stocking the Alphonses.

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