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Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Re: Indigenous fruit and vegetable from Ghana
« on: November 23, 2019, 11:43:34 PM »
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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: in search of rootstock for tropical papaya.
« on: October 24, 2019, 11:06:03 PM »Here they are right now (about 1 ft tall).
Here is the trunk. Has a very cool striated bark (very un-papaya-like) with this funny bulbous bottom
How do these look after a good growing season?
Dead
This was probably are most brutal summer. Super hot (as usual, 115-120 F in July) but almost no monsoon rains at all this summer. Usually we get a little rain relief in July which increases the humidity and helps things get through. Not this year. I lost a bunch of stuff that was not established, even with sun protection
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Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Re: Longan & CRYSTAL Seedless Guava Scions
« on: September 26, 2019, 03:33:07 PM »
Flattening cleft unions just means the scion is growing or thickening faster than the rootstock.
This may be temporary and the union will grow round later when the rootstock catches up.
Exactly. Most guavas have flattened graft unions for the first year. But eventually they catch up. I have some several year old guava cleft grafts where the graft union is barely discernible any more.
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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Help with Guava 'Ruby Supreme' Fruit Quality
« on: September 12, 2019, 05:27:29 PM »Can I just chalk this up to it being the first fruit set and it will get better with age, or is there something that I'm doing wrong?
Hi Kevin,
I think this is the case. I have many guavas from all different kinds of propagation methods (seedlings, airlayers, tissue cultures, grafted) and I find the airlayers and tissue culture plants do not produce representative fruit in their first year. It is still a small plant, give it time!
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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: flying dragon vs c-35 for meiwa and improved meyer
« on: September 10, 2019, 12:40:33 PM »
Hi scamper!
I understand your concern for dwarfing. In AZ citrus used to be propagated on Flying Dragon or Sour Orange rootstock. More often now it is all almost always on C-35. I have many citrus trees on both Sour Orange and C-35 and both seem to be fairly vigorous rootstocks. I seem to recall that C-35 is more disease resistant, not necessarily dwarfing.
Question: You have an existing Meiwa on C-35. You need to transfer it to something more dwarfing? I am surprised. In AZ citrus grows incredibly fast. And I have a several year old Meiwa kumquat and it is maybe 5-6 ft tall. Very slow growing. But very productive for it's size. Do you get a good harvest off your kumquats in Chicago?
Good luck on your research!
I understand your concern for dwarfing. In AZ citrus used to be propagated on Flying Dragon or Sour Orange rootstock. More often now it is all almost always on C-35. I have many citrus trees on both Sour Orange and C-35 and both seem to be fairly vigorous rootstocks. I seem to recall that C-35 is more disease resistant, not necessarily dwarfing.
Question: You have an existing Meiwa on C-35. You need to transfer it to something more dwarfing? I am surprised. In AZ citrus grows incredibly fast. And I have a several year old Meiwa kumquat and it is maybe 5-6 ft tall. Very slow growing. But very productive for it's size. Do you get a good harvest off your kumquats in Chicago?
Good luck on your research!
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Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Re: For Sale: Dolores and Jalisco red guavas and mangos
« on: September 08, 2019, 12:32:39 PM »
I grafted Jalisco Rojo onto my Orange-Flesh seedling last year. Grew like crazy last year and this year. Got a dozen guavas off the Jalisco Rojo graft this year. Man, that is a great guava! Similar to Ruby Supreme is size and flavor, but I think the Jalisco Rojo has a fuller flavor. Highly recommended!
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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: How to increase yield on Lemon Zest Mango?
« on: September 07, 2019, 08:24:50 PM »I only know one grower in Palm Springs and he harvested about two hundred Mangos from his various trees if I remember correctly. In the extreme heat, some leaves and fruit can burn but otherwise his mango trees are thriving and producing very well.
I would presume that Arizona members will also get high yields from LZ.
Simon
There is one LZ tree that I know of second-hand that does very well in Phoenix. Very productive and clean fruit (I got to taste an LZ from the tree, even though I have not seen the tree). Perfect LZ flavor.
My LZ tree has produced a couple of fruit for me, but that is because of the size. It has been growing steadily since I planted it as a 3 gallon a few years ago. Now it is up to 8+ ft tall x 6 ft wide. Assuming our winter this year was not as bad as last year I would expect a decent crop. Tree grows like a champ. Loves the heat. Most mangos do, but LZ seems to do especially well in the desert.
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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Any Juliette mango opinions? I saw one at the nursery today.
« on: September 07, 2019, 08:19:43 PM »
I have a graft on my Bombay. Seems fairly vigorous to me.
I got to taste a few from Tropical Acres. Agreed that it does not taste like Julie. Tastes like a mixture of Super Julie and Graham to me. Not in the league of Super Julie (which is amazing) but better than Graham. I really like Juliette.
I got to taste a few from Tropical Acres. Agreed that it does not taste like Julie. Tastes like a mixture of Super Julie and Graham to me. Not in the league of Super Julie (which is amazing) but better than Graham. I really like Juliette.
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Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Re: Dragonfruit cuttings
« on: September 04, 2019, 03:14:30 PM »
Hey Brad, 5 out of 6 cuttings are pushing new growth right now, including both of the Frankie's Red. Thanks man!
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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Hass avocado in florida
« on: August 20, 2019, 12:31:38 PM »How about "Tommy Hass?"Might be a good one to propagate. You can give it a name since it’s a seedling.
Yes... don't call it Hass, it is something else.
Agreed! We need more avocados named after German tennis players.
Mabye the Kohlshcreiber! ooohh! how about the Graf avocado!
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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: My Best Pitangatuba
« on: August 09, 2019, 11:08:03 AM »
That is awesome Kevin! If you ever sell seeds from those, I would definitely be interested!
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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Is Angie a Top-Tier Mango?
« on: August 04, 2019, 04:17:09 PM »OK, everything I read about Angie was unicorns and stardust and now I'm reading this a few years after I bought one."Unicorns and stardust." That's funny. Well, Angie's a pretty good mango when all is said and done. Most everyone loves Pickering. A lot of folks love Julie. Another one they say is good is Dwarf Hawaiian. I think Pineapple Pleasure is a small tree. Just because the super-stars aren't container mangoes, that doesn't mean that others aren't worth growing.
So what container mangoes (if any) are top tier?
Thanks!
Ha!
Pickering = awesome coconut manageable mango tree
Dwarf Hawaiian (Tete Nene) = excellent mango. I don't have experience with the tree
Pineapple Pleasure is really not a dwarf tree. It seems semi-vigorous but lanky. Kind of like coconut cream.
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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: GOAT Mango (3 Choices)
« on: July 31, 2019, 04:56:48 PM »
Good question. And I can't answer based on only 3. Because mangos have such different flavor profiles, best I can do is say the best from each category (which of itself is only nebulously defined). So here goes:
GOAT MANGOS
CLASSIC - Tie between Ah Ping and Edward
INDIAN/ALPHONSO - from Devgad India: Alphonso, from Florida: Super Julie
INDIAN/WEST INDIAN RESIN - Tie between Sunrise and White Piri
INDIAN/WEST INDIAN SPICE - Mesk
CITRUS - Tie between Lemon Zest, Cac, Peach Cobbler (all have different complementary flavor aspects)
INDOCHINESE - Sweet Tart
COCONUT - Tie between M-4 and Coconut Cream
PINEAPPLE - Pineapple Pleasure
COCONUT/PINEAPPLE - Sugarloaf/E-4
FLORAL - Mahachanok
UNIQUE - ST Maui (flavor is citrus (not orange), Pineapple, Guava)
GOAT MANGOS
CLASSIC - Tie between Ah Ping and Edward
INDIAN/ALPHONSO - from Devgad India: Alphonso, from Florida: Super Julie
INDIAN/WEST INDIAN RESIN - Tie between Sunrise and White Piri
INDIAN/WEST INDIAN SPICE - Mesk
CITRUS - Tie between Lemon Zest, Cac, Peach Cobbler (all have different complementary flavor aspects)
INDOCHINESE - Sweet Tart
COCONUT - Tie between M-4 and Coconut Cream
PINEAPPLE - Pineapple Pleasure
COCONUT/PINEAPPLE - Sugarloaf/E-4
FLORAL - Mahachanok
UNIQUE - ST Maui (flavor is citrus (not orange), Pineapple, Guava)
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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: S.T. Maui / ST Maui Mango
« on: July 23, 2019, 10:15:29 PM »Starch make sure you get your hands on some Guava mango and Super Julies next year. Two of my favs. Wonderful flavors.
I can't comment on Guava, but 100% agreed with you on Super Julie. It was one of my 3 favorite mangos this year!
Good deal on the Sucari! I will keep an eye out for that one.
Thanks for the tip on the Edgar seeds. I have an Edgar tree that I planted several years ago as a 3 gallon. It is about 6 ft tall now, and somewhat filled in. It seems like a slower grower, but it is shaded more than my other mangos. Hopefully I can get some fruit off it next year.
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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: S.T. Maui / ST Maui Mango
« on: July 23, 2019, 05:03:40 PM »
I ate a bunch of these from Alex (Tropical Acres) this year. They are now one of my favorite mangos. Very pineapple-citrus (but not orange)-guava flavored. In fact, it really does not taste much like mango. If you were tasting one blind, you would likely call it an unknown tropical fruit, not necessarily a mango.
I really love them. I like them so much that I ordered them in 4 separate boxes this season. And I got some budwood to grow for myself. It is so uniquely flavored in the mango-verse, I can't really compare it to any other mango. A truly excellent fruit.
I really love them. I like them so much that I ordered them in 4 separate boxes this season. And I got some budwood to grow for myself. It is so uniquely flavored in the mango-verse, I can't really compare it to any other mango. A truly excellent fruit.
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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Future’s Florida Fruit Feast - Vol 9 - 2019 edition
« on: July 16, 2019, 02:04:46 PM »Maybe its just my low expectations.
Dinner: White Pirie. Bombay, Maha Chanok
White Pirie was excellent, syrupy sweet and delightful.
Bombay was not nearly as good, but ok.
Maha was spot on.
White Pirie wins.
I ate my first two White Piri this morning .... in - cred - i - ble!! The 3 best mangos I ate this season was Sugarloaf, Super Julie and a particularly excellent Lemon Zest. I have had many others that were excellent this season (Peach Cobbler, ST Maui, Sweet Tart, Sunrise all come to mind) but these 3 were the standouts. Now I have to add White Piri to the list. So good. Very sweet and spicy, just a little resin to balance it out. So unbelieveably good.
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Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Re: For Sale: lemondrop mangosteen, hogplum, rollinia
« on: July 15, 2019, 12:56:08 PM »
That is a very good deal on the Spondia purpurea
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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Mango Mono vs. Poly seed question
« on: July 15, 2019, 10:39:52 AM »
Thanks Simon, I appreciate the explanations! I figured that was going to be the case.
Will do!
Will do!
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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Mango Mono vs. Poly seed question
« on: July 14, 2019, 09:52:22 PM »
Yesterday I ate my first E-4/Sugarloaf (which was absolutely amazing, one of the 3 best mangos I have eaten this season). I have read that Sugarloaf is polyembryonic so I wanted to plant the seed. I let the seed husk dry out and opened it today.
First thing to note is that seed was extremely small. About the size of a quarter and very thin. It reminded me of a 'chicken tongue' mango seed (i.e. how a Sweetheart lychee makes aborted small shriveled seeds). This is similar to the experience that Simon has had with E-4 on the mono vs. ploy thread (see here: http://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=12030.msg327034#msg327034 ). And so I would have thought that this was an aborted / non-viable mango seed based on the size .... except .... it already had a taproot with side roots forming and the main stem was already forming out of the seed. So this seed looks viable.
But here is the deal: there is only one embryo. It is clear as day that there are not multiple embryos that you see in a typical polyembryonic seed, which have very obvious divisions in the seed for the different embryos. Nor does there seem to be an amorphous mass of embryos without division. This is just a single (viable) tiny seed with a single tiny embryo.
So here is my question:
Assuming the E-4 is in fact a polyembryonic mango (which seems the case based on a few peoples observations) what are the chances that this small atrophied but viable seed (which clearly has only one embryo) is a clone? Do you think it is likely that this is a sexually produced embryo or is it more likely to be a cloned embryo?
I have already planted it so I am going to grow it out either way. But wanted to see what the consensus might be on this subject.
First thing to note is that seed was extremely small. About the size of a quarter and very thin. It reminded me of a 'chicken tongue' mango seed (i.e. how a Sweetheart lychee makes aborted small shriveled seeds). This is similar to the experience that Simon has had with E-4 on the mono vs. ploy thread (see here: http://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=12030.msg327034#msg327034 ). And so I would have thought that this was an aborted / non-viable mango seed based on the size .... except .... it already had a taproot with side roots forming and the main stem was already forming out of the seed. So this seed looks viable.
But here is the deal: there is only one embryo. It is clear as day that there are not multiple embryos that you see in a typical polyembryonic seed, which have very obvious divisions in the seed for the different embryos. Nor does there seem to be an amorphous mass of embryos without division. This is just a single (viable) tiny seed with a single tiny embryo.
So here is my question:
Assuming the E-4 is in fact a polyembryonic mango (which seems the case based on a few peoples observations) what are the chances that this small atrophied but viable seed (which clearly has only one embryo) is a clone? Do you think it is likely that this is a sexually produced embryo or is it more likely to be a cloned embryo?
I have already planted it so I am going to grow it out either way. But wanted to see what the consensus might be on this subject.
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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: What would be your top 7 mangos for Florida?
« on: July 08, 2019, 11:12:16 PM »Welcome to the forum JulianoGS!
You can find a lot of information regarding the different tasting Mangos, size of trees and favorite varieties if you use the search function towards the top of the page.
Here’s a thread that talks about some of the favorites for this year
http://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=32597.0
This link has favorite varieties to the last several years
http://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=31734.msg349437#msg349437
This Ultimate mango list has comprehensive info regarding many different types of mangos
http://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=1586.msg21809#msg21809
The information contained in the Tropical Acres website is one of the best resources out there. Alex is one of our most knowledgeable members on this forum.
https://www.tropicalacresfarms.com/
Container Mangos
http://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=12767.0
http://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=23229.msg278297#msg278297
Last but not least, here’s what your probably looking for, compact Mango suggestions
http://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=17443.0
Simon
Nicely done Simon!! Thats a heckuva newbie resources list.
Couldn't agree more, thanks Simon!
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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: What type of fruit tree is this?
« on: July 04, 2019, 01:05:39 AM »
I agree with xshen. I have a 3 ft wampee. It has not flowered yet, but the leaves definitely look like that.
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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Superior Pitangatuba (Starcherry) Cultivars?
« on: June 28, 2019, 08:10:36 PM »
I have been growing Pitangatuba (Eugenia neonitida) for several years and have 4 fruit producing plants. All are between 2-4 ft tall (Pitangatuba is notoriously slow growing) and my oldest shrub has been producing fruit for 3 years. I absolutely *love* the flavor. My best attempt to describe the flavor is mango-grapefruit-pineapple-peach-cherry. However the sweet / acid balance is something like 50/50. It has enough sweet to balance the flavor when you eat 1-2 of them, but not enough that you could eat a bunch of them at one time. The other drawback is that they are *very* latex-y. I often them them sit on the counter to turn from yellow to orange and it definitely helps. But once you eat a half dozen of them your lips start getting welded together. So for me for fresh eating it is more of a novelty.
All my plants (all seedlings) display the same flavor and latex characteristics. So I am wondering: has anyone done some selection on Pitangatuba to find/breed some superior cultivars?
In my mind a superior cultivar would:
1. Have the same intense tropical flavor that a normal seedling Pitangatuba would.
2. Have a more palatable sweet/acid balance (something like 67/33 would be pretty perfect)
3. Have a significantly reduced / non-perceptible latex presence
Does anybody have a plant that meets this criteria?
All my plants (all seedlings) display the same flavor and latex characteristics. So I am wondering: has anyone done some selection on Pitangatuba to find/breed some superior cultivars?
In my mind a superior cultivar would:
1. Have the same intense tropical flavor that a normal seedling Pitangatuba would.
2. Have a more palatable sweet/acid balance (something like 67/33 would be pretty perfect)
3. Have a significantly reduced / non-perceptible latex presence
Does anybody have a plant that meets this criteria?
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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Is Angie a Top-Tier Mango?
« on: June 27, 2019, 01:45:42 PM »Davie vs. coastal zone. It may largely be about location and soil with this variety.
I definitely think this is the case. I have been ordering mangos from FL for years now. And I will usually get some Angies. Sometimes they are good and occassionally very good. but often they are average/forgettable. Also several years ago I got several boxes of Alphonso mangos from Devgad over several weeks from mangozz. These were the most exquisite mangos I have ever had. So I been trying to recapture that eating experience (Angie is in the Alphonso flavor category).
I have an Angie tree in my yard, and last year it produced one mango.... and it was *exceptional*. It is so good that it would give a Devgad Alphonso a run for its money. I don't know if it is just our insane heat or what but it really brought out the best in this tree.
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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Dwarf mangoes for growing in pots
« on: June 25, 2019, 09:32:02 AM »
I have first hand experience with the following varieties that are reasonably slow growers:
- Julie (ex. slow, mine died because it could not handle our heat. One of the few mangos that have ever died on me in our summer)
- Pina Colada (very slow)
- Ice Cream (slow)
- Alampur Baneshan (slow)
- Amrapali (slow)
- Pickering (med. slow. Relatively slow grower but faster than the others)
- Julie (ex. slow, mine died because it could not handle our heat. One of the few mangos that have ever died on me in our summer)
- Pina Colada (very slow)
- Ice Cream (slow)
- Alampur Baneshan (slow)
- Amrapali (slow)
- Pickering (med. slow. Relatively slow grower but faster than the others)
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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Dwarf mangoes for growing in pots
« on: June 25, 2019, 09:27:52 AM »
I have an Ice Cream in a 40 gallon pot. I planted it in 2017. It has put on a couple of growth sets since I have had it (very slow grower) and is maybe only 6 ft tall. But I will get probably a dozen mangos off it this year.
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