The Tropical Fruit Forum

Anyone?

Has Luc written anywhere what the mature size is of his garcinia sp. is?

Last year I got 29ºF or -1.7ºC so mangosteen options are very limited.

The guy with 5920 posts tells me I'm the one wasting space, lol.

Hey bsbullie, I'm guessing you voted New World with prickly pear lodged up your backside being the clincher.

I'm going to leave the poll open indefinitely. Surprising to see how evenly split.

I voted Old World although would have switched if there was a South American version of lychee or jakfruit.

Although this forum is disproportionately from the Americas.

Hey Cassio,
As a speaker of Portuguese can you tell me what all this is about: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J-Z-KUQZvOw
I got from Google Translate that she is "Woman fruit bread". I think the host says 'jabuticaba' at the start.
Let's just say the Liberal Agenda has reached Brazil too...

New World (North and South America): E.g. cherimoya, rollinia, jaboticaba, sapodilla, mamey sapote, canistel, green sapote, passiflora, pawpaw, guava, grumichama, cherry rio grande, pitomba, rainforest plum, pitanga, pitangatuba/pitangola/starcherry, abiu, annona, araza/araca boi, papaya, babaco, black sapote, white sapote, pineapple, strawberry, achacha, chupa-chupa, bunchosia/peanut butter tree, panama berry/jamaica cherry, acerola, opuntia/prickly pears, pitaya/dragonfruit, feijoa, American persimmon, inga/ice cream bean, star apple, monstera, ugni, tamarillo and muscadine.

Old World (Asia, Europe, Africa): Pretty much everything else, e.g. banana, mango, apple, peach, plum, cherry, grape, fig, pomegranate, mulberry, lychee, longan, rambutan, pulasan, lansium spp., carambola/starfruit, watermelon, durian, breadfruit, jakfruit, chempadek, marang, mangosteen, citrus, kiwifruit, jujube, olive, date, Japanese persimmon, pear, apricot, quince, muskmelon, loquat, salak and santol.

*Oceania and Antarctica are not included in either (sorry fans of finger lime, Davidson's Plum and midyim). Some genuses are asymmetrically common to both worlds, like coconuts, rubus, blueberry, ribes, mulberry, haskap/honeysuckle.

RarePalmSeeds are selling seeds of a cultivar of Cabelluda that they say has "particularly large fruits". I'm hoping this translates to greater pulp ratio.

I think I read somewhere that the germination rate is low from this German company. Photo on FruitLovers catalogue looks like it has such a big seed and so little pulp.

Hi Oscar.

The eBay seller 'Polynesian Produce Stand' or '7Heads' who is based in Haleiwa mentions pitangola as a nickname. http://www.ebay.com/itm/PITANGATUBA-FRUIT-TREE-Eugenia-selloi-neonita-STAR-CHERRY-Live-Sml-Potd-Plant-/141597247781?rmvSB=true

Govardhan Gardens also mentions pitangola and he is in Puerto Rico.

Pitangão is another term in Portuguese I believe although that is very similar to pitanga.

Oscar, would you mind linking to Luc's list of top eugenias?

Joshua,
This is a translation from Helton's website. http://www.colecionandofrutas.org/myrciariastrigipes.htm

Features: small small tree 3-5 m tall, with stems divided into several branches from the base, which arise branches that are declined and forked forming globular canopy from the ground. The trunk is crooked measuring 10 cm to 20 cm in diameter; with thin bark brown brownish color with white spots. The leaves are simple, opposite, in the same plane inserted under stalk (stem or support) short, dense and pubérulo (covered by the short and reddish), measuring 2 to 4 mm long. The leaf blade is lanceolate (lance-shaped), cartácea (with cardboard texture), with obtuse base (rounded) and acuminate apex (with long leg), measuring 1.8 to 6.6 cm long and 0.6 1.6 cm wide. This species can be easily identified by observing distant second marginal ribbed edge. The flowers appear in the leaf axils and at the apex of the branches under the canopy, are sessile (devoid of stalk) and clustered number 5-7 flowers. The cup (outer shell) is formed by alabaster (a lifting vessel) 3 to 4 mm height and 4 triangular lobes greenish 2 to 3 mm in length, arranged in a cross and make the turn of the sepals. The corolla (internal enclosure) consists of 5 lotions, rounded and tiny petals falling soon after anthesis flower. The fruit is a globose berry 2 to 3 cm in diameter, having a form of a tire with course and fine yellow when ripe peel involving 1 or 2 seeds in a too sweet and tasty jelly-like pulp.
 
Tips for cultivation: moderate growth Plant enjoying any type of soil with good natural fertility and rapid drainage. Appreciates humid tropical to subtropical humid with average temperature 12-35 degrees, with large variations that can reach the maximum of 38 degrees in summer and minimum of up to - 3 degrees and supporting some frost. As for the annual rains rain gauge index ranges 1200-2700 mm annually. It can be grown from sea level to 1,350 meters above sea level; both river banks in shady locations where it produces abundantly. The ideal pH of the soil should be between 5.0 to 6.5, and good harvests occur when the humidity is around 70% and is constant.
 
Seedlings: Seeds are round, recalcitrant (lose germination if dried) and should be planted in a maximum of 20 days after harvest. It can be planted in the substrate seeding with compound 1 part sand, 2 parts of red soil and 1 part of well cured manure. Germination occurs in 60 to 150 days and seedling growth is slow both in the shade and in full sun. The transplant is done when sowing the seedlings reach 10 cm, at which should be shaded in place for about 1 month and was generously irrigated. The fruiting plant starts 4 to 5 years or up to 2 years when grown in pots with 30 cm wide and 40 cm height containing the same substrate mentioned above.
 
Planting: I recommend that be planted in shaded spot in a spaced 5 x 5 or shade, which produces larger and tastier fruits. Open pits with at least 2 months before planting, they should be 50 cm in three dimensions and should be mixing 30% of clay sand + 7 blades of organic matter to 30 cm of earth from the pit surface; mixing together lime + 500 g and 1 kg of wood ashes. The best planting time is from October to November, should irrigate 10 l of water after planting and every 15 days if no rain.
 
Cultivating: The plant grows slowly and does not require special care, but should cover the surface with cut grass and eliminate any weed that can choke the plant. If planted in full sun, I recommend doing a cover with a shading to cut direct sunlight in the first year after planting. The pruning is done in late winter to plant training eliminating branches and buds of the base and any excess branches that are born facing the inside of the canopy. Fertilize with 4 kg of organic compost made ​​of tanned chicken manure and 30 grams of NPK 10-10-10. Distribute the nutrients to 5 cm to 20 cm on the surface of the stem at the beginning of October.
 
Uses: Fruits in the months from October to December. The fruits are delicious to be consumed in-kind and can leveraged to make juices, pastries and ice cream. The tree is ornamental, flowers are honey and is an ideal species for urban greening of streets, squares and parks. It is a rare species and needs to be cultivated to be preserved.

I'm searching for someone who has this currently growing and can report its size and age.

Depending on the size and hardiness I might want to buy seeds when it is in season.

Floridians you can PM details of the guy who has them if he is not on this forum. Thanks

I have read that miracle fruit has strong roots.

Does this mean invasive. Is it safe to be near a house? (Needs to be there for frost protection)

It seems to me that Myrciaria guaquiea  is superior to glazioviana in just about every way. Hardiness, flesh-seed ratio, precociousness.

If they are similar, then why should I bother with a glazioviana? Strigipipes is possibly in the same boat here.