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Citrus => Citrus General Discussion => Topic started by: sc4001992 on February 19, 2021, 05:35:14 AM
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Just curious who grows the largest variety of mandarins/tangerines.
Here's the different mandarins listed per CCPP budwood/Citrus Variety Data:
-> Mandarin-Clementine
-> Mandarin-Satsuma
-> Mandarin-Tangelo
-> Mandarin-Tangor
-> Mandarin-Other
There are over 100 different varieties identified here so there should be many people who grow one or more of these.
Would like to see a photo of your large fruit and how much it weighs. I will take some photos of my whoppers and post later.
I will start with one of my larger Kiyomi Tangor.
1) Kiyomi, weight is 347 grams, see photo of fruit.
(https://i.postimg.cc/vHFWzxGc/Kiyomi-347g.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/Z0HBYRBS)
Can anyone beat this one ?? Please post your large fruit.
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Is there a bigger mandarin than a Sumo/ Dekopon ?
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I'm not sure, but would like to find out if anyone has some big ones. I plan to submit a request for entering the "mandarin/tangerine" as one of the category "record title" and see if they will create this for the mandarin. But first it will be nice to see how many mandarins are big and no clear variety is a winner from the start.
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Citrus fruit do not receive all of the energy required for a fruits growth from the entire tree, but ONLY from the three or four leaves closest to the each fruit. Therefor, to obtain a large size fruit allow only one fruit per each 3 or 4 leaves. Additionally, applying a summer urea foliar spay between June 11 and July 1 extends the cell division stage of fruit development, again increasing the fruit size.
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Millet, good advice. I will need to try this on my Thong Dee. The last fruits I picked were pretty large, 3 lbs & 5lbs, maybe they will be larger next year.
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Picked my last ripe fruit on my tree, looks bigger than the first one posted here.
Kiyomi Tangor:
1) Kiyomi, weight is 507 grams, see photo of fruit.
Anyone have a bigger mandarin fruit ?
(https://i.postimg.cc/fLn3GKNG/Kiyomi-pic1.jpg) (https://postimages.org/)
(https://i.postimg.cc/ZnQrfKCR/Kiyomi-pic2.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/XBwGqWKS)
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sc4001992，
Nice big one. Do you have a brix measure for it?
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If your looking for large mandarins, you should add Ponkan to your list
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sc4001992, wow it looks stunning! Was it juicy? How sweet was it?
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I suspected you might have small hands, so had to pull the largest remaining gold nugget out back, but alas, the Santa Anas must have sucked the moisture right out of it :P
(https://i.postimg.cc/XrM1thnm/IMG-2680.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/XrM1thnm)
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No, my hands aren't small.
Here's a line up of some fruits along with the big Kiyomi I weighed. I will create new post for the taste test of these and the Melogold and Oroblanco.
(https://i.postimg.cc/bNpLjYvC/Mandarin-Sizes-3-23-21-a.jpg) (https://postimages.org/)
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mbmango, your Gold Nugget is heavier than mine. The largest Ponkan I had weighed in at 236 grams.
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Sc, why are you considering a tangors and tangelos in the same category as tangerines/mandarins? Given so many varieties, maybe a genetic test would be needed to confirm the qualifications of a fruit to be considered in the record books. Meaning, to even be considered a 'tangerine' perhaps the fruit must contain 85%+ 'true' tangerine genes.. or something of the like.. just a thought. I know that is treading some mucky waters..
Also cut those stems off, they probably weigh a gram or two.
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Citrus fruit do not receive all of the energy required for a fruits growth from the entire tree, but ONLY from the three or four leaves closest to the each fruit. Therefor, to obtain a large size fruit allow only one fruit per each 3 or 4 leaves. Additionally, applying a summer urea foliar spay between June 11 and July 1 extends the cell division stage of fruit development, again increasing the fruit size.
hello Millet, can u provide a scientific document about this ?? I am just curious to read the explanation .....
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Plantinyum, I do a lot of reading on citrus, and it has been a while since i came across the above research. The person that did the research on the 3 - 4 leaf supplier of energy to a citrus fruit I believe was Karen Koch a plant biologist in the horticultural science department in the University of Florida. You should find what your looking for under her name.
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Plantinyum, I do a lot of reading on citrus, and it has been a while since i came across the above research. The person that did the research on the 3 - 4 leaf supplier of energy to a citrus fruit I believe was Karen Koch a plant biologist in the horticultural science department in the University of Florida. You should find what your looking for under her name.
thanks !
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sc4001992，
For your new post, if available, it might be interesting to include all those golds, honey (W. Murcutt), satsuma, and Xie Shan.
And Pixie, Tango and Page?
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850FL, you have a valid question on this category. I thought about these issues as well, then decided well since UCR, CCPP budwood program, has an extensive experience/research of the mandarin in their budwood online order store, I could use their same category.
So, I say we should follow their lead in what variety can be considered in this category as "Mandarin" for the World's Record. I'm sure Guinness has their own consultant that they will use to determine which variety can be entered for this Mandarin category if they ever make one.
Here's UCR CCPP list as of 3/24/21 so it looks good to me and Tangors and Clementines are in this list. No testing is necessary if you enter one from my copied list from CCPP budwood offering.
What do you think, do you agree ?
Here's the UCR link
https://ccpp.ucr.edu/
I extracted the information so you can see the list without logging into their website.
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(https://i.postimg.cc/Y235M5RR/Madarin-Category1-Page-1.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/CdRP46Wn)
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(https://i.postimg.cc/vZ1k7cs2/Madarin-Category1-Page-2.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/sMrTsf15)
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(https://i.postimg.cc/FRxBFSyz/Madarin-Category1-Page-3.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/S2JrDJtb)
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(https://i.postimg.cc/JhV6bxKt/Madarin-Category1-Page-4.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/cvhBWQpN)
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(https://i.postimg.cc/L6GNpDcv/Madarin-Category1-Page-5.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/Yhf1N6qm)
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I don't need to cut off the stem, I have a bigger one that I'm holding off showing now.
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If Tangelos are part of this group, Minneola would be in the running for the top spot. We used to have a massive minneola tree that put our fruit the size of small grapefruits. 7 of them would make a 1/2 gallon of juice.
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Yes, its in this category. I had a minneola tree with many fruits, but never this big. I would estimate they may have been as large as a navel orange.
Here's a Lane Late navel orange that is pretty large/heavy.
Lane Late navel orange
Weight = 476
(https://i.postimg.cc/kXLggXtm/Lane-Late-p2.jpg) (https://postimages.org/)
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Honestly I would not consider tangelos or tangors grouped up with mandarins clementines and tangerines (or just to make it simple, tangerines). Or perhaps- not ALL tangors and tangelos- If all tangelos were part of the group, couldn't one hypothetically cross a massive pummelo with a large pure tangerine variety and then eventually backcross it back to the original pomelo and possibly backcross that again back to the massive pomelo until the resulting F3 or whatever has like 80-90% pomelo characteristics and enormous fruit but we still call it a tangelo and group it in with tangerines??
I think the genetic test thing where some standardized threshold of 80-90% 'true' tangerine genes would work best...
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Thanks for all this information. In breeding hardier mandarins, Pociris-mandarin crosses, one problem is fruit size. Using bigger mandarins could help.
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I was suggesting we only use the named varieties on the list I posted above from CCPP. If its not on the list, then it would need special consideration from their consultant to qualify it or not. Got to start somewhere.
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Then we should consider input from one of their representatives!
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that's a whopper..how does it taste?
Just curious who grows the largest variety of mandarins/tangerines.
Here's the different mandarins listed per CCPP budwood/Citrus Variety Data:
-> Mandarin-Clementine
-> Mandarin-Satsuma
-> Mandarin-Tangelo
-> Mandarin-Tangor
-> Mandarin-Other
There are over 100 different varieties identified here so there should be many people who grow one or more of these.
Would like to see a photo of your large fruit and how much it weighs. I will take some photos of my whoppers and post later.
I will start with one of my larger Kiyomi Tangor.
1) Kiyomi, weight is 347 grams, see photo of fruit.
(https://i.postimg.cc/vHFWzxGc/Kiyomi-347g.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/Z0HBYRBS)
Can anyone beat this one ?? Please post your large fruit.
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Some of my Shasta were very large. One of my Shasta tree only carry 4 fruits, very good tasting. Thong Dee pomelo is right next.
(https://i.postimg.cc/gnVdm2YS/F64-BB6-E6-1-E00-4-BCA-9-F16-F60402-EAC6-FC.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/gnVdm2YS)
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luak, now that's a big Shasta. I have one tree in a pot and it had 5 fruits but they were all about the size of Tango. I wanted it to be big like yours.
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I just bought a tango, with a same additional label as sugar belle saying it has greening resistance.. what are your thoughts on tangos resistance and also your opinion of its fruit quality??
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True, I figured when the Guinness people review the request, they will do the leg work. I wanted to see if we had some winners before they actually make the new category.
It seems they like to have someone submit a big one so they can start off with one entry and others will try to beat it. Right now I don't think there is any category for mandarins if you wanted to enter it for a record.
The only Guiness records category for citrus that I found was:
-Largest Orange
-Largest/heaviest grapefruit
-Largest/heaviest pomelo/pummelo
-Heaviest lemon
I don't know why there is no mandarin yet, so I thought we should enter one so that one of our members from this forum could have the record.
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Above picture is incorrect, wrong, it’s not a Shasta. This is the correct variety, Yosemite Gold.
(https://i.postimg.cc/181yphYV/0832-BA5-D-C3-F4-4-B1-A-AC69-2-AB581-F71-EBC.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/181yphYV)
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Look at the size compared to head size, these were huge Sumo 2 yrs ago. Did not weigh them but felt way over 1 lb easy.
(https://i.postimg.cc/cKV9V4PL/Screenshot-20210419-122532-Photos.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/cKV9V4PL)
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Yup, the one on the right seems like it would easily be over 1 lbs. Hows your sumo fruit this year, did the same tree still have many fruits or did it have less fruits?
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Behl, I must confess that when I saw your sumo photos you posted a year ago of this same fruit, I was thinking about it when I started this post of the largest mandarin.
I do have a large sumo that I thought could be a world's record weight, but yours looks larger. To bad you didn't get a photo evidence showing the weight of it. Just looking at your fruit in the picture and estimating its weight after looking at my large fruit, I think yours weighs about 1.5 lbs. The one I have is 1.3 lbs and I will now post the photo for evidence later tonight.
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Just curious (off topic) if anyone else has any more sumo/shiranui fruits on their tree?
I have one grafted branch that seems to have late maturing sumo fruits. My whopper (to be shown later) just finished ripening, not all the way before I picked it off the tree for weight measurement. Now I have one last fruit that is full size and still green on the same branch. I think I will let it hang until it completely ripens and will report back on the date it does. All of my other sumo fruits on other grafts finished ripening at the end of March. I might have to label this branch "Special Sumo" to keep track for next years fruits.
Let me know if anyone else in CA has some sumo still hanging on the tree.
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Yup, the one on the right seems like it would easily be over 1 lbs. Hows your sumo fruit this year, did the same tree still have many fruits or did it have less fruits?
I have Sumo on Tango rootstock, and on some orange, and two on lemon rootstock. The one on Tango are the biggest and sweetest, very juicy, consistent quality and production year over year. Really excellent. Ones on lemon rootstock dont size up and have very thick skin. Looks like rootstock plays a big role.
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Behl, I must confess that when I saw your sumo photos you posted a year ago of this same fruit, I was thinking about it when I started this post of the largest mandarin.
I do have a large sumo that I thought could be a world's record weight, but yours looks larger. To bad you didn't get a photo evidence showing the weight of it. Just looking at your fruit in the picture and estimating its weight after looking at my large fruit, I think yours weighs about 1.5 lbs. The one I have is 1.3 lbs and I will now post the photo for evidence later tonight.
Here is another perspective. its next to what I call large Tango
(https://i.postimg.cc/30x9FbY7/Sump.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/30x9FbY7)
(https://i.postimg.cc/2b27yFvt/Sumo-1.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/2b27yFvt)
Just look at the size of single slice vs. large Tango whole.
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Wow, that is a nice big one. I agree with you that if you graft on lemon fruit is not as good tasting as mandarin/orange interstock.
The largest Sumo fruit I had this year was grafted on Murcott mandarin. The one last Sumo fruit still is on this branch.
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Ok, here's my sumo fruits.
If we were to measure the fruit circumference for the world's record then I think this one below would win.
Any comments ?
(https://i.postimg.cc/d1dCsTYZ/Sumo-wr8-norm.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/r0Vsgszq)
(https://i.postimg.cc/rm6dPFrV/Sumo-wr9-norm.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/DWgyWh6H)
(https://i.postimg.cc/rmLm9nBz/Sumo-wr10-norm.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/WDXTNnbP)
(https://i.postimg.cc/xdGY90ZT/Sumo-wr11-norm.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/PLq04khB)
(https://i.postimg.cc/635swCRY/Sumo-wr12-norm.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/WDKYwF5k)
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(https://i.postimg.cc/zGG8qZrn/Sumo-wr1.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/MvNhYLXT)
(https://i.postimg.cc/sXFkQbtH/Sumo-wr2.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/f3K21qWY)
(https://i.postimg.cc/7Z2XGbwD/Sumo-wr3.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/ts9F8qsm)
(https://i.postimg.cc/8PWtsj1G/Sumo-wr4.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/rKVSPy0Z)
(https://i.postimg.cc/j26nY0rp/Sumo-wr5.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/jn5Sy12c)
(https://i.postimg.cc/QMg27fhX/Sumo-wr6.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/mcDpfNPq)
(https://i.postimg.cc/W3G1hGfr/Sumo-wr7.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/Ppqj7wHr)
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what have you been doing to them? getting multiple pollen? weird shapes. yes, the fruit is huge, mine was like this, did not weigh.
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Someone on this forum, I believe, once mentioned that this fingering of citrus is caused by a types of mites.
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Yes, I heard the same thing that the deformed fruit could be due to mites or some bugs that got to the flowers before the fruit formed.
It's still an interesting fruit, I had two fruits like this, I ate the other one and each one of the fingers had a nice fruit envelop with no seeds, just taste like a regular sumo.
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Buddhas hand gene set being expressed LOL
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well I do have a few grafted Buddhas hand on my trees but no fruits so far.
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well I do have a few grafted Buddhas hand on my trees but no fruits so far.
I wonder if a real cross between a mandarin and Buddha’s hand would look similar to that deformed mandarin
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850FL, good question about the cross. I did have a Buddhas hand grafted near this Sumo graft but I don't remember the Buddhas hand every getting much fruits so I cut the branch and grafted other varieties to that tree. Now last fall I decided to try it again so got some Buddhas hand scion from CCPP and grafted some on my tree farther away from the Sumo. It did have flowers this year but the fruits all fell off when they were about 1/2".
I had to take some photos of this weird Sumo after I dissected it up to see what the insides looked like so here it is. Taste was no different than the normal fruit.
(https://i.postimg.cc/d0jSCzyn/Sumo-fingers-P1.jpg) (https://postimages.org/)
(https://i.postimg.cc/q71SYPvq/Sumo-fingers-P2.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/p9ns518M)
(https://i.postimg.cc/xC77jLHS/Sumo-fingers-P3.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/YG68bGbX)
(https://i.postimg.cc/NG3VW7B6/Sumo-fingers-P4.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/F1xDSSfz)
(https://i.postimg.cc/L8TbYcfD/Sumo-fingers-P5.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/3kkBzbt0)
(https://i.postimg.cc/wB44FDws/Sumo-fingers-P6.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/QB5qdKGX)
(https://i.postimg.cc/9FPxK6x2/Sumo-fingers-P7.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/RNFQnD5p)
(https://i.postimg.cc/8z1ySZ36/Sumo-fingers-P8.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/gnTyyHGz)
(https://i.postimg.cc/vB6hzk1p/Sumo-fingers-P9.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/BL42ZhBg)
(https://i.postimg.cc/FzNSLB0b/Sumo-fingers-P10.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/DJpmV5jm)
(https://i.postimg.cc/W4tzQPwf/Sumo-fingers-P11.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/cKydn2jQ)
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Mother Nature at work!
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:) :) :)
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Ok guys. I am about to go hunting but I need to know how the Sugar Belle tastes. What are your impressions? This is my third year growing citrus and the only one of my plants that have fruited are the Bumper and the meiwa. The meiwa was pretty good:sweet inside and out. The Bumper was nice: easy peel, sweet but not sugary with a very typical tangerine flavor. Is Sugar Belle sweeter than your average tangerine? I see it being sold as an "orange" and a "mandarin".
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Ponkan and Shiranui (sumo) is very good tasting and tree is vigorous grower.
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Months ago, I bought some Orri mandarins at local supermarket. They are very sweet with a clean and pleasant flavor. It has a shin easy peel rind with no seeds. Web articles say its patent is expiring, so hopefully the trees will show up in market.
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I thought I would see if anyone had any more Mandarin/Tangor fruits in 2022 that are super large so we can see your record fruit. Please post a photo and show the weight of your largest.
I will be picking some of my jumbo Sumo in next few weeks, it seems they may be the largest/heaviest mandarin so far.
BTW: I did submit for this category last year to Guinness world's record, but they would not reply to me. I think they respond to those people/company that will pay to have a record category submitted.
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Anyone else have a large mandarin photo you can post?
My large sumo fruits on the tree had to be removed since I dug up the tree. It had about dozen fruits left, we ate some and they were very good, better than the store bought fruits. The taste was sweet, no acidic taste at all. My other grafted trees with sumo already ripened in March but this one tree (had the big fruit last season, 1.3 lbs) seems to hold the fruit longer.
My largest/heaviest sumo this season is 1.4 lbs so a little larger than last year on the same tree. I'll post some photos later tonight..
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any more updates?
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Largest Gold Nuggets have been close to 270g.
Only had 1 sumo this year, and it was under 1 lb. Getting next year's contestants ready:
(https://i.postimg.cc/ZBXCn8fD/F58-A5829-8-D96-4-C0-E-A31-A-31880-A15-ECF5-1-201-a.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/ZBXCn8fD)
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You have an unusual shaped fruit on your tree there. Maybe it will turn out like my sumo a year ago.
(https://i.postimg.cc/hGNd8d6M/Sumo-wr2.jpg) (https://postimages.org/)
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Interesting! I have several of those kinds of fruitlets. Wasn't sure if they would coalesce into a normal fruit, since some are looking more merged together than others. It's odd that they're so much bigger already than the "regular" ones. I was thinking that those might become the seeded fruit vs the seedless?
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My funny looking sumo (last year) had no seeds, and each one of those fingers were like a big fruit segment by itself. It tasted good just like any other sumo.
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Ran across some info that would suggest that these deformed fruits could be due to citrus bud mites. Seems more of a thing for lemons, but also higher chances for the coast. I'm going to have to get a good magnifying glass to see if I can even spot any.
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I was surprised this late Tahoe Gold was over 1/2 pound. I originally weighed it on my small 200g scale, but had to get the big scale out! 265g
Had to pick it a couple days early, too. Bottom was getting soft.
(https://i.postimg.cc/YjssgHmK/PXL-20220729-201906361.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/YjssgHmK)
(https://i.postimg.cc/fVx26SqD/PXL-20220729-224934242.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/fVx26SqD)