The Tropical Fruit Forum

Quote from: sheaper on April 09, 2024, 01:25:18 PM

Buddhas hand has no seeds though right? I wonder if thats just what you get when you try to cross BH with about anything?

just thinking out loud here

I only know of 2 buddha hand hybrids for ornamental use.  and they have no fingers.  Buddha's hand does not produce seeds just because it does not form the internal part of the fruit, neither pulp nor seeds, but it has excellent pollen and we will see in a few years what results from my crosses 💪.  There are images of Chinotto crosses and Buddha's hand and he did not give fingers, look it up on Google.

Im interested in breeding zone 7/8 worthy edible citrus varieties and have my eyes on a couple ideas. Would it be a good idea to use Keraji as the seed parent and maybe Kishu/Clem-Yuz/Thomasville as pollen donors?

I have no idea what I’m doing as far as breeding goes and will be researching a lot but have lurked on this website for quite some time.

Any advice welcome Thanks!

I disagree. I have seen groves mixed in alternate rows with pine trees and the trees look far healthier than open sun and open air trees. My own experience so far mirrors this. They are an understory tree in nature and prefer dappled light. Every grove I see on the regular in full sun looks like hell. Could be they all have greening, but doesnt explain why the partially shaded ones look so much better. Partially shaded doesnt mean they arent getting 6-8 hours of sun, it just means they arent getting the sun full blast from 6am-830pm(during the summer)

This seedling Meiwa tree is 4 times older than this new fig growth. Why am I bothering with Meiwa kumquats.

Quote from: sc4001992 on March 23, 2024, 11:32:27 PM

Where do you buy the "silica gel stones" ?

Some medicines (tablets) are sold in convenient boxes with silica gel in the lid.

If Flying Dragon is too dwarfing a rootstock to use for in-ground Citrus in the PNW, I wonder what a good rootstock would be for us. I have Swingle citrumelo and C-35 available, as well as probably the standard species Poncirus trifoliata (not Flying Dragon). I have 852 citrandarin seedlings, too, but they're intended for fruiting, not rootstock.

For plants that I'm keeping containerized, I assume FD would be a good rootstock as we would want plants that remain of manageable size, since the containers need to be moved in and out of the greenhouse.

What about Australian Sunrise? I don't have it but from what I read it has a peel like kumquat.

A bit of advice from my project: avoid planting the seedlings so close together that they root-graft to one another. This should eliminate the issue of hardy roots allowing less hardy seedlings to survive. At this point I am still uncertain as to the status of several of my trees in regards to true hardiness.

Couple comments.  1. Why does anyone bother with citrus like Citrondarin. 

https://citrusvariety.ucr.edu/crc301



about hybrids with Ruby orange and poncirus I remember this part of the text, but no one has Rusk citrange that I know of, does anyone have it to confirm?

To be honest, I was a bit disappointed by Kumquat x Buddhas Hand. Not that the taste was bad. Not that the fruits are not usefull. Yes, you can enjoy them and do something with them. But I asked myself where the plus of the variety is. I would say a true lemon has a bit more complex taste. And a true lemon has usable peel. The peel of Kumquat x Buddhas Hand is too thin to be of real use and it does not taste better than lemon peel.

So my final assessment: Stay with lemons when you like sour fruits. When you want to breed something new you may use it in further crosses for it does have plenty of pollen. But it will be a kind of lottery what you will get because there is perhaps nobody who knows what its exact genetical constitution is. Can it pass off fingered fruits? Are fingered fruits a recessive trait still contained in Kumquat x Buddhas Hand or is it a dominant trait which then would be not present? In which crossing combination will the thick peel of Buddhas Hand citron show up again?

Just a curiosity; does Glauca x Poncirus (or the reverse) exist?

The deciduous characteristic isn't necessarily all or nothing. A few plants in a mixed population will lose their green color early and subsequently drop all their leaves. Another portion of the population will drop their oldest leaves early, later followed by the younger leaves. Other trees will retain their leaves until new growth begins in the Spring. The leaves will be heavily damaged by this point.

There's a tendency for trees to retain their leaves as juveniles, then drop them more reliably as the tree matures.
Deciduous trees should suffer less stress, especially in regards to Winter leaf dessication.
There are, however additional factors involved. An example is whether the overwintering buds are of the Poncirus type with well defined bud scales, or the less well developed Citrus type of bud.
One of my selections is quite stem hardy, but has less cold hardy buds. This leads to the first Spring flush of leaves being pale colored with distorted leaf form. Subsequent flushes are normally colored and shaped.