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Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Re: Looking for Manilla Mango Scions or Plant
« on: April 26, 2023, 04:10:33 PM »
Quote from: yimnvs on April 26, 2023, 01:51:38 PM
Quote from: roblack on April 26, 2023, 09:53:07 AM
Hello!

Is anyone growing Manilla mango in the US?

How does it compare to Philippine/Carabao?

Seeking budwood or plant unless someone talks me out of it.

Isnt carabao and manila the same thing? Home Depot/Lowes have the Manila seedlings for sale around this time of year.

Good advice by yimnvs. I didn't notice any at HD or Lowes this past weekend but I wasn't looking that hard. They'll eventually show up if they don't have them already. What I did notice was a Shinseiki Pear and 3-1 Pluot at Lowes. Bought little bareroot Shinseiki and pluerry pollinator for my ingound Pluot online a couple months ago when I could have gotten them for less price and twice as big at Lowes if I had waited.  :-\

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Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Re: San Pablo Red Custard Apple & Sapodilla seeds for sale
« on: April 16, 2023, 12:36:11 PM »
Pm'd

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Loquats that can survive the desert heat
« on: February 18, 2023, 02:49:20 PM »
Quote from: mangoba on February 17, 2023, 04:10:40 PM
Quote from: WaterFowler on February 13, 2023, 11:30:47 AM
I've given up on loquats here in the Coachella Valley. Like the others in Phoenix have said, they do great until July rolls around, then they turn into crispy critters. I planted a Champagne and a Big Jim, as well as dozens of seedlings. One of our drivers in LA brings me "Nisperos" from his house every year, and I plant a few every year in different locations but they never survive the summer. Same goes with Avocados. Although one rancher I know has a 12 year old, near 20 foot avocado tree, that one of his workers planted next to a medjool date palm. It's never thrown a fruit one though.

Give it an other try on a Quince rootstock.

I've waved the white flag on loquats and while they are tasty, I don't like them better than the other trees I'm trying to get established or plan on putting in the ground

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Loquats that can survive the desert heat
« on: February 13, 2023, 11:30:47 AM »
I've given up on loquats here in the Coachella Valley. Like the others in Phoenix have said, they do great until July rolls around, then they turn into crispy critters. I planted a Champagne and a Big Jim, as well as dozens of seedlings. One of our drivers in LA brings me "Nisperos" from his house every year, and I plant a few every year in different locations but they never survive the summer. Same goes with Avocados. Although one rancher I know has a 12 year old, near 20 foot avocado tree, that one of his workers planted next to a medjool date palm. It's never thrown a fruit one though.

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Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Re: Wtb: Peanut butter fruit tree seeds
« on: May 15, 2022, 04:08:59 PM »
Quote from: Fruit Jungle on May 14, 2022, 07:56:45 PM
I have year old plants for sale, $35 +Shipping

I like to plant multiple seedlings and see which one's are the strongest over the years and put those in the ground. Our hot summers combined with fairly cold winters quickly thin out those subtropical trees that can survive here, if any at all. This winter took a heavy toll on my grafted trees as well. From now on I'm going to to use the wait, see and thin method for seedlings at my current location. Successful, and grafted trees can go to another property I own in the city but space is very limited there.

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Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Re: Wtb: Peanut butter fruit tree seeds
« on: May 14, 2022, 01:55:52 PM »
Thanks Dmaxx69. I'll hit both you guys up in the near future.

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Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Re: Wtb: Peanut butter fruit tree seeds
« on: May 10, 2022, 04:32:05 PM »
That would be fantastic. Do you mind if I PM you at end of June if I don't encounter them somewhere else first?

I can PayPal or Zelle you prior to shipping.

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Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Wtb: Peanut butter fruit tree seeds
« on: May 09, 2022, 07:04:35 PM »
If anyone from the US has any Peanut Butter Tree seeds they'd like to sell please PM me. Looking to buy about a dozen seeds with fruit surrounding them or in moist substrate so they are still viable.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: “So-Cal” Any public ice cream bean trees?
« on: April 08, 2022, 04:11:04 PM »
Good luck on your search. I doubt it gets cold enough in SF to kill an Ice Cream Bean tree so keep trying. In the rural area I live in it got down to 26 degrees 3 nights in a row and burned my 3 trees almost down to the ground but they are already growing back again.  My 3 year old tree at my house in the city got down to around 32-33 degrees and it still looks great


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Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Re: Big box store feijoas. Has anyone had them fruit before?
« on: April 01, 2022, 11:31:26 PM »
Well if it didn't get enough chill hours this winter, it never will. All 14 of my mangos were wiped out down to the root stock this winter except my 12' & 8' lemon zests. Even my white sapotes took a beating

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Big box store feijoas. Has anyone had them fruit before?
« on: April 01, 2022, 10:18:06 AM »
Quote from: SHV on April 01, 2022, 09:33:31 AM
Bought one from HD about 5 years ago and it fruited the 2nd year in the ground.  Now it produces more fruit than any large family could eat. Personally I think the pineapple guava name is a disservice to both pineapples and guavas.  Not a huge fan of feijoa fruit but some friends and family enjoy it so I keep it around.  The flowers are tasty treats and it’s a beautiful tree that is unfazed by cold or hot weather extremes.

And you only have one that fruits like crazy by itself? Mine flowers crazy but won't produce fruit which is why I put another one I grew from seed right next to it.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Big box store feijoas. Has anyone had them fruit before?
« on: March 31, 2022, 10:42:36 PM »
Quote from: Santa Maria 9b on March 31, 2022, 10:30:28 PM
The ones from Lowes or Home Depot usually either Nazemets or Coolidge from La Verne nursery. They are both very good and productive cultivars. The more oval ones are Coolidge and the rounder ones are Nazemets.

That's great to know! I was watching a video from a popular YT tropical fruit grower and he said the feijoas from Lowes were mostly ornamental trees that might not ever produce any meaningful fruit. Glad a checked here first before I did something drastic.

I'd still like to graft a couple of different varieties on it though.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Big box store feijoas. Has anyone had them fruit before?
« on: March 31, 2022, 10:13:53 PM »
Curiosity got the better of me one day and I bought a feijoa from Home Depot 4 years ago. It's gotten big, bushy and flowered like crazy the last 2 years but no fruit. 2 years ago I put a a little seedling right next to it and this year it's big enough where I think it might flower.

Has anyone ever bought one of these "pineapple guavas" from HD or Lowes and had them fruit? If so, how was the quality of the fruit? Or are these just ornamentals for the most part?

Assuming I'm going to have to graft a proven cultivar on this Home Depot plant, any ideas where to go about locating budwood?

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Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Big box store feijoas. Has anyone had them fruit before?
« on: March 31, 2022, 10:07:37 PM »
Curiosity got the better of me one day and I bought a feijoa from Home Depot 4 years ago. It's gotten big, bushy and flowered like crazy the last 2 years but no fruit. 2 years ago I put a a little seedling right next to it and this year it's big enough where I think it might flower.

Has anyone ever bought one of these "pineapple guavas" from HD or Lowes and had them fruit? If so, how was the quality of the fruit? Or are these just ornamentals for the most part?

Assuming I'm going to have to graft a proven cultivar on this Home Depot plant, any ideas where to go about locating budwood?

**Edit**

Sigh. Meant to put this in the main forum. Mods please delete

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Mangoes: Is it a blessing to grow them in SoCal?
« on: September 02, 2021, 11:20:46 AM »
Quote from: sapote on September 02, 2021, 03:10:23 AM
In the early years of growing mangoes in SoCal, with so much failures that I was discouraged and jealous with the mangoes in FL. But now I think as the backyard growers, we are blessed with the dry climate during fruiting months, cold enough winter for flowering, and plenty of sunlight, and our fruits probably taste better than the likely washed out FL mangoes with the uncontrollable summer rains.

Shots fired! 😂

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Mango Lemon Zest fruits sun burned easy
« on: September 01, 2021, 09:48:49 PM »
Quote from: Victoria Ave on September 01, 2021, 08:53:36 PM
Where were all those keitts headed. Finding CA grown keitts at trader joes is what launched me on mango growing, but I haven't seen them in years. I love those big delicious mangoes, any leads on what markets are carrying them?

I have no idea but the guy I brought them to, his biggest markets are Bay Area, Canada and New York I believe. Here's me loading one of our drivers. They have green mangos stuffed in bins like citrus or bell peppers lol




We started the Keitts sometime during 1st week of August and it lasted about 2 weeks

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Mango Lemon Zest fruits sun burned easy
« on: September 01, 2021, 07:26:24 PM »
Quote from: zands on September 01, 2021, 07:30:04 AM
Quote from: WaterFowler on September 01, 2021, 12:23:42 AM
Quote from: Victoria Ave on September 01, 2021, 12:05:49 AM
I saw that Wong farms in Thermal, CA use mesh bags over their fruits specifically to prevent sun burns. Seems like a good solution for the situation

That's near where I live. We have a trucking company. We hauled about about 400k lbs of Keitt mangos a couple of weeks ago. Supposedly it all came out of a 46 acre field in Westmorland or Calipatria. It was all packed in Thermal, CA though.

I saw pickup trucks coming into where they were packing the mangos and hauling away thousands of pounds of blemished but huge mangos.... for their cows and goats lol. I don't know why they just didn't sell them to a juice company.

This is ridiculous. Fruits with some blemishes are easily sold off at flea markets. Get these mangoes out there on Saturday and Sunday, they will be scooped up. I suppose one barrier is these mango seconds need refrigeration, that might not be available at a low enough price. Citrus is more durable, this is what I have seen (and eaten) at Florida flea markets. This ugly citrus was prime! Such as tangerines and grapefruit.

Our citrus culls go to the cows too! 😂

When we used to deliver culled carrots to the dairy farms we used to see tons of culled citrus dumped there for feed. I guess the juicers could only take so much citrus at once. Those were the good ole days. Buying culled carrots for $5 a ton and selling it for $20.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Mango Lemon Zest fruits sun burned easy
« on: September 01, 2021, 12:23:42 AM »
Quote from: Victoria Ave on September 01, 2021, 12:05:49 AM
I saw that Wong farms in Thermal, CA use mesh bags over their fruits specifically to prevent sun burns. Seems like a good solution for the situation

That's near where I live. We have a trucking company. We hauled about about 400k lbs of Keitt mangos a couple of weeks ago. Supposedly it all came out of a 46 acre field in Westmorland or Calipatria. It was all packed in Thermal, CA though.

I saw pickup trucks coming into where they were packing the mangos and hauling away thousands of pounds of blemished but huge mangos.... for their cows and goats lol. I don't know why they just didn't sell them to a juice company.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Mango Lemon Zest fruits sun burned easy
« on: August 31, 2021, 08:49:37 PM »
My LZ tree is small  but the sun didn't get through the canopy enough to burn any of my LZ mangos. I did have critter bags on all of the 16 fruits my little tree managed to produce so that helped. Our average high in July was 106 degrees. I think the hottest day was 121 degrees. My guavas on the other hand took a beating on the perimeter of the tree. I will say I've noticed new growth on the LZ fares much better than on my other mango trees. They don't start to get crispy until it's about 112-115 degrees in full sun. I have an M4 and Sweet Tart sitting in shade almost all day and their growth gets singed super easy when temps get up there

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Redlands White Sapote trees possibly grow bigger than other white sapotes?
« on: April 28, 2021, 11:02:03 AM »
Quote from: Johnny Redland on April 27, 2021, 04:05:11 PM
Redland has been moderate for me. The real all star for growth is Rainbow.  I don't know how people could legitimately keep that tree under 20ft

You probably bought the "Rainbow" local being in Florida but out of curiosity where did you buy it? I prefer it being vigorous as I'm planting it on a ranch so space isn't an issue, I've read that rainbow tastes very good too. I've looked around and haven't seen it for sale on the internet. I can buy Vernon and Suebelle at my local Home Depot for cheap.

I have a Vernon that's doing ok. It's 4 years old and about 7 feet tall. It produced a few fruits last year but this years crop looks heavier if I let them all hold. My Suebelle has been has been a disappointment. I had it out in more sun but it just couldn't take our brutal summers so I moved it into a heavily shaded area but it's not thriving there either. Our alkaline soil probably doesn't help much either. So I'm looking for other varieties to experiment with.

They say white sapote grows just like citrus but citrus does fantastic out here even with our heat and soil(minus satsuma mandarin). I've seen big trees out in Phoenix so I'm not sure what I'm doing wrong out here.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Grafter's advice please
« on: April 27, 2021, 10:15:35 PM »
Quote from: FlMikey on April 27, 2021, 09:28:31 PM
Very cool!  From what I understand, mango grafts need 70 degree plus weather at night to make it.  Do keep us updated and take some pics if they work out!

Wow. I wasn't aware of that. Maybe that's why I haven't had a lot of success in the past. Today was overcast and with a high of 80 and a low of 59 but the next few days warm up. Wed 94/64, Thu 101/67, Fri 103/70

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Grafter's advice please
« on: April 27, 2021, 05:07:01 PM »
Quote from: FlMikey on April 27, 2021, 02:48:10 PM
Good luck!  What type of graft will you try?  And where on the tree are you trying (any pics)?  I ask because I'm new to grafting and hoping to graft one of my trees very soon.

Thanks. I did 3 veneer grafts and 4 cleft grafts. It's the first veneer grafts I have tried on Mangos. I tried a bunch of different grafts on guavas last spring and they all failed except for one veneer graft. That encouraged me try more of this technique. Unfortunately that tree was in the coldest part of the ranch and the grafted portion died when it got to around 30 degrees in January.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Grafter's advice please
« on: April 27, 2021, 02:40:55 PM »
Thanks for the advice. Sounds like I'll give em a go

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Grafter's advice please
« on: April 27, 2021, 01:13:10 PM »
I don't have much experience grafting, nor have I had much luck doing it. I have some success in smaller mangos in containers, than in ground trees. But I have 3 small trees that were frozen down to the root stock 2 years ago that have come up nicely since this past winter was very mild, and I would like to graft these with desirable cultivar.

I just received 7 scions in the mail from a well known supplier in Florida. All 3 of one variety, ZINC, look really black. The other 4 are only black at the tips and look good. They all came wrapped in a moist paper towel and were not in parafilm or buddy tape. In your opinion are these worth making an attempt at grafting?


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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: How close can you plant a mango to a house?
« on: September 04, 2020, 09:49:38 PM »
I have a couple of Home Depot Manilla seedlings I've planted 2 feet away from a brick wall. Reason bring we have cold spells here and it protects them in the winter especially since the neighbors pool is close to that wall. They grew to about 10 feet quickly and have remained that height years later. They've been there almost 10 years. I don't think putting them within 3 feet is very risky in San Francisco, it might actually help hugging your house when the cold comes as long as they get sun.

In your climate, I doubt any variety of mango is going to develop into a monster that threatens the foundation of your home. Now white sapote, that's a different story

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