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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Best Fruit Places to Visit Near Palo Alto
« on: June 07, 2022, 02:09:33 PM »
Hey All,

Through life's strange turns I am making a move to Palo Alto for a bit- wondering if anyone has decent places to recommend to forage/get new and cool fruits to try-

On my last trip to the bay area I enjoyed some Arbutus unedo from the UCSF campus and also got to try some Syzygium leuhmanii and others from the SF Botanic Garden


Tropical Fruit Discussion / Is this Mulberry Tree White Shatoot?
« on: May 04, 2022, 09:20:42 PM »
Unfortunately I haven't had any time to pick mulberries in quantity this year but I wanted to keep an eye out for any albino or "sangue-e-latte" fruit on our really old tree to report back to the forum if all of this could be seen on an ungrafted tree

Instead I found that there is what appears to be a seedling tree very close to the base of the old tree that was actually the source of the albino fruits-

I think the person who owned the house before us was into mulberries because there appear to be a few varieties that ripen at slightly different times over the season but we are also in a natural mulberry grove so I am interested if this is a known variety or a new one-

Doesn't look long enough to be of the Australian or Himalayan variety- the taste is 100% sugar

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Wild Annona from Dominican Republic
« on: May 04, 2022, 08:37:40 PM »
Hello Annona Lovers-

On a recent trip to the Dominican Republic I managed to sneak away from the scheduled activities to do a bit of fruit hunting around the resorts and happened upon an Annona tree-

It appeared to be growing submerged in salt water, (we were on the beach) which led me to believe it is Annona glabra but the one (past) ripe fruit I found was yellow which I did not think was true of glabra. The seeds also appear to be white around the outside with a dark center which also seems to be different from what I have found online. When I asked the people around about it all they would tell me was that they didn't serve it at the hotel.

First person to ID gets a pack of 5 seeds

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Herrania umbricata Fruit Taste Report
« on: April 26, 2022, 09:58:38 PM »
The fruit splits open easily like a cacao pod- about an eighth of the size of the cacao pods we have come across

Green banana smell, first taste is floral like cacao, a lot of complexity and then the green banana finishes, I can see why Jaboticaba45 says watermelon, I even got a hint of mangosteen
Pulp is scant but comes off of the seed with a little work, leaves a mucalaginous feel in the mouth-

Quite tasty!

I think I will let the other one ripen a bit longer and do another tasting

Pic's coming

Some interesting plants I have gotten into recently but don't see getting much discussion on here is Neotropical blueberries and particularly the Agapetes genus

I have a few here in Houston, and they appear to do fine with the weather here although I cant imagine them liking the native soil-

As an epiphyte you can always do some really cool stump-pots with them though

The three I have established are

Agapetes oblonga  “Yunnan Huckleberry”
Rare larger species 3–10′ tall. Fuzzy stems, oblong-lanceolate leaves. New growth is lustful pink-red. Develops a large woody caudex to 20″+. Very floriferous with tubular carmine-red flowers borne along the stems. Sweet edible berries, translucent white-pink with tiny hairs. Epiphytic in the evergreen forests of Yunnan, China up to 9000′. Surface sow the seed and keep warm to sprout. Z8b/9a? Text sourced from

Agapetes serpens  “Khursani” “Himalayan Lantern Huckleberry”
Epiphytic evergreen shrub to 2–3’+. Graceful arching braches arising from a woody caudex to 18″+. Shocking rose-red lantern-like flowers dangle from the branches, a flamboyant display that appeals equally to hummingbirds and primates. Lavender colored sweet edible berries. Native to the Himalayan mid elevation cloud forests, up to about 9,000′. The caudex of some species is edible. Prefers part shade, well draining acid soil and regular moisture. Fruits best when cross pollinated with another clone or species. Rooted cuttings. Z8b. Text sourced from

Agapetes ‘Ludgvan’s Cross’   “Himalayan Huckleberry Hybrid”
A hybrid of A. serpens and A. rugosa, forming a 3–4’+ shrub.  2–3″ pointed leaves and eventually deveolops a gnarled woody caudex. Pale-pink lantern flowers with deep rose chevron markings are borne in mass along the stems, a sight to see! Weird, marble size, translucent white-pink to purple edible berries. Hummingbirds love Agapetes. Part shade, well draining acid soil. Rooted cuttings. Z8b Text sourced from

I left them all uncovered this year and the oblonga took a bit of a hit but the others seem to be doing quite well, so I ordered these other three

Agapetes aff. cauliflora SEH27042 “Vietnamese Huckleberry”
Ericaceae. Evergreen caudiciform with long arching branches to 3’+ . Hairy stems and lanceolate evergreen leaves, blue-green when young. Clusters of white tubular flowers with green tips, red edible berries. Native to the cloud forests of Vietnam. May be intermediate to the larger growing A. malipoensis. Our first offering of this rare species. Rooted cutting. Z8/9?
Text sourced from

Agapetes hosseana “Saphaolom” “Thai Huckleberry”
Ericaceae. A lovely blueberry relative that forms large woody caudiciform lignotubers. Arching branches to 3'+ with shiny, rounded-elliptic, evergreen
leaves. Clusters of pendant, narrow tubular red flowers with green tips. Sweet edible berries, white to pale pink with lavender speckles. An epiphytic
species native to the mountain forests of northern Thailand. The lignotubers are used in Thai medicine for nourishment after a fever. The tubers have
exhibited anticancer poperties. The plant contains triterpenes and steroidal compounds with antibacterial and antimalarial activity. Part shade and a fast
draining acidic soil. Does well in hanging baskets. Surface sow seeds warm. Z9a
Text sourced from

Agapetes smithiana v. major “Yellow Flowered Himalayan Huckleberry”
Woody caudiciform lignotubers, long arching branches with rounded leaves. Dark yellow tubular flowers hang from the stems in clusters. Edible berries.
An beautiful endangered native of the mid elevation cloud forests of the western Himalaya where it occurs primarily as an epiphyte. Well draining acidic
soil, part shade. Rooted cuttings.Z8b/9a
Text sourced from

This is the last one! (for now)

This is another Marcos accession that bounced back from our winter well unprotected, unfortunately much worse germination rate on these so I only have 1 but seems to be a hardy little plant

Celtis ehrenbergiana - “Tala”
Celtis ehrenbergiana is a semi-evergreen shrub or small tree with a more or less pyramidal crown; it can grow 4 - 7 metres tall. The irregular bole can be 20 - 30cm in diameter.
The plant is sometimes harvested from the wild for local use of its edible fruit, medicinal properties and dyestuff. It is sometimes grown as an ornamental. Fruit. A succulent pulp, but there is not much of it. The oval, orange-yellow fruits are about the size of a pea. Edible and sweet. Astringent. An infusion of the leaves is used in the treatment of indigestion. A plant of the subtropics and tropics, found at elevations between 300 - 1,700 metres in the tropics. Prefers a sunny position. It is apparently tolerant of a wide range of soil and moisture conditions. A fast-growing tree.
Text sourced from Tropical Plants Database, Ken Fern. 2021-09-15. <>

I apparently am giving Marcos a free promotion because all of these argentinian species appear to be doing quite well in Houston-

This is the better looking of two seedlings-

Plinia rivularis - "Guaporeti, Guaburiti"

Fruit - raw. The succulent pulp has a sweet, pleasant flavour. The globose, reddish-orange fruit is up to 2cm in diameter, containing one or two seeds

Guaburiti is an evergreen tree with a wide, dense, roundish, low crown; it can grow 6 - 11 metres tall. The short bole branches from very low down, it can be 25 - 40cm in diameter.
The tree is valued mainly for its edible fruit, which is gathered from the wild and consumed locally, though it also produces a useful wood. It is occasionally cultivated in domestic orchards for the fruit; can be grown as a pioneer when restoring native woodlands or establishing woodland gardens; and, since it provides a good shade, it can be grown as an ornamental for use in landscaping.

Tropical Plants Database, Ken Fern. 2021-06-27. <>

Another selection from Marcos that made it through our winter with no protection-

This one has a potential to be an invasive species so I am keeping a close eye on flower / fruit set

Last year we had flowers but no fruit- multiple seedlings in a pot-

Salpichroa origanifolia - "Cock’s Eggs”
Salpichroa origanifolia is a very fast-growing, perennial, climbing plant with somewhat woody stems. Although the fruits have a poor flavour raw, they are often gathered from the wild for use as preserves and are commonly found for sale in local markets. A plant of the warm temperate to tropical zones, being found at elevations above 1,000 metres in the tropics. Plants are susceptible to frost, even the fleshy roots can be killed by temperatures down to freezing. Prefers a sunny position. Thrives in alkaline soils. Fruit. Of poor flavour raw. Often used to make preserves. The white or yellow, ovoid fruit is 18mm x 8mm.
Text sourced from Tropical Plants Database, Ken Fern. 2021-10-05. <>

Fellow Fruit People-

Just wanted to post and give an update on this new and interesting Solanum species that I acquired from Marcos last year-

I got 5 seeds, all of which sprouted, and have 2 of the plants to forum member AndreasGia and kept 3 for myself- (for those who remember I was once going to auction one of these but got greedy and decided to see how it would do in the soil here)

I can say that this species is truly subtropical with these ~1 year old seedlings surviving unprotected in the winter this year. They experienced leaf drop and tip damage but both of the exposed plants are coming back strong now.

We didn't get any flowers last year but given the quick bounce back we are hoping to have seeds and maybe even fruit to share with the forum this year

Calling all avocado hunters

This caught my eye when perusing their site during their re-opening

Persea lingue “Lingue” “Chilean Avocado”
Lauraceae. Beautiful evergreen tree to 20–60'+. Shiny dark green leaves. Small yellow flowers and olive-size fruit with green to blue-black skin-almost
all seed. Native to the lower elevations of Chile and adjacent Argentina. The wood is hard, durable and good for construction. The leaves are used
medicinally as an astringent. Threatened throughout some of its range due to logging and agriculture. Z8a?

Probably not great fruit but might be useful in breeding more cold tolerant avocado, or just an interesting tree-

Ben always has super reasonable prices for his trees and is great to deal with, but sometimes takes a while to ship plants and only take checks by mail.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Plant ID Help
« on: March 20, 2022, 07:51:45 PM »
Hey Gang-

Got a quiz for you plant nerds, I am trying to ID some of the plants left to me by AndreasGia in order to take better care of them and these have me stumped when I was up-potting them today-

Any help? only clue I have besides the pics are that they are almost certainly seedlings from a fruit collected at Miami Fruit and Spice Park


Tropical Fruit Discussion / Planting in the Florida Keys
« on: February 01, 2022, 12:17:03 PM »
Hey all-

I have finally located the deedwork to some old property in the Keys and, of course, immediately started to think about what could be planted there-

The zone according to the USDA is 11b which is great but I know that this comes with some particular problems-

the first I can think of is that there currently is no water or electric lines to the property- this is clearly a very long term project but I would like to start with maybe planting some things that will be pretty resilient and not need much care of their own for the first couple years before a reliable watering system can be set up.

Ideally I would not like to build much habitation on there but just have a small semi-automated system to take care of things-

My first idea would be to create a perimeter with something that could provide a windbreak against storms (possibly and Artocarpus spp. or even Durio?, Carapa guianensis if it can be sourced) and plan a small plot within that perimeter

My concerns without ever having lived there are-

High and Salty Water Table
Lack of easy maintenance

Some species that I have selected that might grow there well would be

Shorter Term-
Aloe spp. - digigarden
Ananas cosomus - digigarden
Annona glabra (grafting stock)
Annona muricata - Bush2Beach
Capparis spp. - digigarden
Carissa spp. - digigarden
Chrysobalanus icaco - digigarden
Coccolobo uvifera - pineislander
Cocos nucifera - nullzero
Cordia sebestena - digigarden
Cecropia peltata
Dovyalis caffra
Dovyalis longispina
Inga spp.
Manilkara bidentata
Manilkara zapota - nullzero
Melicoccus bijugatus
Myrciathnes fragrans - digigarden
Opuntia spp. - digigarden
Pandanus tectorius
Passiflora spp. - roblack
Portulaca spp. - digigarden
Pouteria sapota
Rosa rugosa - digigarden
Syzygium paniculatum
Terminalia spp. - digigarden *Invasive Potential

Longer Term-
Annona coriacea
Annona leibmanniana
Annona salzmanii
Annona x atemoya
Butia capitata - digigarden
Casimiroa edulis - digigarden
Citrus spp. - digigarden
Cola spp. (once shady spots are identified)
Diospyros nigra - digigarden
Eugenia itaguahiensis
Ficus carica - digigarden
Garcinia livingstonei
Hibiscus spp - digigarden
Lepisanthes fruticosa
Magnifera indica - digigarden
Malvaviscus arboreus - digigarden
Malpighia glabra
Mammea americana - digigarden
Pithecellobium dulce - digigarden
Phoenix dactylifera - digigarden
Pometia pinnata
Psidium spp. - digigarden
Rheedia aristata
Sandoricum koetjape
Stelechocarpus burahol
Theobroma spp. (once shaded areas are identified)
Treculia africana

Please let me know what you think-

I will be using Neil Logans fabulous agroforestryx tool to plan the plot for planting

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Do you need to thin Babaco?
« on: January 26, 2022, 11:12:40 AM »
I am in the fortunate position to have had a lot of Babaco set in these past couple months-

I am wondering if you ever need to thin them?

the Tree is a little over 1 year old and is already holding 2 fruit from the last flowering that are getting to be about the size of my hand

I have an overgrown bush of both Terrence McKenna Red and Black variety-

3 cuttings wrapped in parafilm of either for $40 - 8.50 shipping

I also have a smaller amount of the cielo variety-

3 cuttings for $35

My overgrown bush actually managed to make some seeds this year-

Ill do 3 seed heads (each have about 5-10 seeds) for $10 mailed

PM for details

Temperate Fruit Buy, Sell, & Trade / Temperate wishlist
« on: January 20, 2022, 11:52:09 AM »
Hey gang-

I recently was tooling around with PFAF's advanced search options to find some z5 edibles and came up with the list below of things I would be interested in acquiring- buy or trade okay

Berberis aristata
Balsamorhiza deltoidea
Bunium bulbocastanum
Camassia leichtlinii
Camassia quamash
Caragana arborescens
Chenopodium bonus-henricus
Cichorium intybus
Claytonia sibirica
Cornus canadensis
Corylus avellana
Eleutherococcus senticosus
Fritillaria camschatcensis
Hemerocallis fulva
Passiflora mollisima
Psoralea esculenta
Streptopus roseus
Tilia cordata
Trapa bicornis
Viburnum lentago


Hey gang-

I recently was tooling around with PFAF's advanced search options to find some z5 edibles and came up with the list below of things I would be interested in acquiring- buy or trade okay

Berberis aristata
Balsamorhiza deltoidea
Bunium bulbocastanum
Camassia leichtlinii
Camassia quamash
Caragana arborescens
Chenopodium bonus-henricus
Cichorium intybus
Claytonia sibirica
Cornus canadensis
Corylus avellana
Eleutherococcus senticosus
Fritillaria camschatcensis
Hemerocallis fulva
Passiflora mollisima
Psoralea esculenta
Streptopus roseus
Tilia cordata
Trapa bicornis
Viburnum lentago


Tropical Fruit Discussion / Harvesting Sugar Cane
« on: January 12, 2022, 12:16:36 PM »
Hey All-

With the Temps nearing freezing in Texas it is officially time to harvest sugar cane-

A big shoutout to D-Grower on here who I bought the cuttings from a very long time ago at this point- I believe it is either the malaysian or florida red variety which you can see in the stalks-

First was the chop-

Next was cleaning-

Removing the exterior portion was a massive amount of labor-

But the cleaned up product looked nice and was very tasty for chewing-

Then 2 days of boiling, pour off, reduce and repeat-

And the final product-

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Multi-grafted Citrus Show Off
« on: January 12, 2022, 12:03:35 PM »
Major delay with the posting but finally getting around to showing off the cocktail citrus tree

Huge shoutout to NissanVersa on here who provided both grafting material and expertise!

So we started with a commercially bought Eureka variegated pink lemon that we slowly worked up to a 25g pot only to have winter storm Uri kill it back to the ground- with destruction comes opportunity though and so we had a nice large rootstock with many watershoots for grafting to work with

First is a Moro Blood Orange-

Second we have Improved Meyer Lemon-

Third is a new hybrid Supernova-

Fourth is Murumi Kumquat-

Finally is Brown's Select Satsuma-

Two that we tried but probably didnt make it are persian lime and grapefruit-

I will probably try to add some more varieties to this down the road and make a bushy vase structure as well-

Tips and thoughts appreciated!

Today I went to one of the local Nurseries in town and after climbing into the deepest reaches of their pots I found a real treat-

A white sapote that was absolutely loaded with little fruitlets- I wasn't planning on getting it but it was too good of an opportunity to pass up, especially for the price-

A pic to show my lack of preparedness

With that said I managed to get the beauty home and while some of the flowers were definitely lost, I figure I probably would have to reduce the amount of fruit on the tree anyway in order to get some of them to fully ripen and develop properly-

It is in a 15g pot but I will move it up to fabric as soon as the weather allows-

Can anyone give advice as to how many fruit I should leave on? The guy thought it was a redlands variety but couldn't be sure

First of all I need to give a massive Shoutout to NissanVersa on here-

Other than letting us taste some Jabo's off the many fruiting trees he has; he provided the grafting material and expertise for both this and the multi-grafted citrus I will post next

First is the Caipirinha varietal

Next is Grimal

Sanford is 3rd

4th is Novak Phitrantha

Not pictured because not pushing yet is Anomaly

These are all put onto a Sabara rootstock that got smacked down to the ground during winter storm uri- It had plenty of nice water shoots for grafting and is in either a 10g or 15g fabric pot

Hey All-

Full clarity I am not affiliated with this in any way but I think Ben and his family run an amazing nursery with good prices and insane diversity.

They are having an auction at the website below-

You need to scroll about halfway down the page to see it-

A few highlights people here might be interested in-

Ochagavia elegans “Ajo Dulcie”

Bromeliaceae. Handsome small rosettes of green to silvery pointed leaves. Compact cluster of dark pink flowers in the center of the rosette followed by sweet edible fruit that looks like a garlic bulb, hence the local name “ajo dulcie”. This pineapple relative is endemic solely to Robinson Crusoe Island. Here it forms large dense colonies on rocks and sheer cliff faces. An awesome rarity that will make a unique edible ornamental for the adventurous grower. Only offering this year. Z9b?
12″+ plant with 3 heads, 9+ years old – Minimum bid $60*

Ceratostema amplexicaule

Ericaceae. Terrestrial to epiphytic shrub 5–10’+ tall. Attractive coriaceus amplexicaul leaves hug the stems. Large clusters of thick flowers of brick red with blue-black recurved petals. Dark blue black edible berries. A rare blueberry relative from the cloudforests of Columbia and Ecuador, 4000–10,000’+. Second time offered. Rooted cutting. Z9b?
14″+ plant – Minimum bid $65*

Macleania pentaptera X Macleania ??

Ericaceae. First offering of this open pollinated hybrid. M. pentaptera has caudiciform lignotubers, upright branches, dark green cordate leaves, clusters of orange tubular flowers with green and white tips, sweet white berries. The father was likely M. coccoloboides, M. cordifolia or M. insignis. Possibly our most interesting Macleania hybrid so far. Z9b/10a?
7″ plant with 1″ caudex 2–3 years old – Minimum bid $55*

Zizyphus mistol BK151015.7 cl. B “Sacha Mistol” “Andean Jujube”

Rhamnaceae. Small xerophytic tree 15–30′ tall. Thick contorted trunks of dense hard wood and smooth to rough green-brown bark. Zigzagging branches with small thorns and simple leaves, drought deciduous. Clusters of little yellow flowers that exhale a very sweet perfume. Date-like red-brown edible fruit. Dry forest of southern Salta, Argentina, 4500′. In antiquity it was one of the most important food plants of the southern Andean dry forests along with Algarrobo (Prosopis spp.) and Chanar (Geoffroa decorticans). All parts of the tree have many medicinal uses. A fine soap is made from the inner bark and dyes made from the bark and leaves. Should be very drought hardy. New to cultivation, we’ve only offered this a few times as rooted cuttings from our 3 different mother plants. Z9b?
10″+ branched plant – Minimum bid $45

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Fruit Stands in Punta Cana?
« on: December 08, 2021, 07:07:51 PM »

I'll be traveling to DR for a wedding soon and with my newly acquired permits to bring seeds back I would like to make the most of this trip

What are the best fruit stands to go to? willing to travel

I'll be going in May of next year

Tropical Fruit Discussion / First Bombona (Solanum pachyandrum) flowers
« on: December 04, 2021, 07:03:57 PM »
Very excited to have our first Solanum pachyandrum flowers, I was/am a bit worried that with the cold weather coming these vines might get killed and/or drop their fruit before we ever have the chance to taste them

We at least got over one hurdle and have flowers opening-

They come in this nice clutch

Here is the base pots-

and it scrambling quite a ways up our mulberry tree that would make moving it difficult (especially with the hooks)

So I have noticed people have recently taken a particular liking to Pouteria viridis, perhaps understandably, I was recently able to taste fruit from the tree at San Diego Botanic Gardens and it is like a sweet Mamey (Pouteria sapota) much better for eating out of hand

Now on to the advice, I was fortunate enough to receive one of the Pouteria viridis "alba" seeds from Raul through Andreas some months ago, unfortunately I was not familiar with sprouting seeds of this species and likely killed the viable plant I had growing-

This inspired me to make this post after learning from my mistake and practicing with new seeds from the fruit at San Diego Botanic Garden

When the seeds eventually sprout they will look like this-

The seeds, upon germinating, open in three segments, the top two appear to rise above the soil line and go brown, this is when i dug up my "alba" seed and noticed that only one third of the seed looked viable, removed the (apparently) rotting portion and replanted the good third. This resulted in killing the plant,

here is a closeup of the segments looking dark brown and rising above the vermiculite-

TL;DR- the seeds are going to rise above the dirt and look dead, dont F*&$ with it

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