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I will take a 4 pack.  I have a mature dong que that i think i want to try grafting.


I have half my yard planted with turpentine rootstock trees from Florida and the other half I planted manilla.  For the manilla rootstock planted immediately next to the florida tree, I have noticed the trunk grows about 2x as fast.  I think Simon has a good point about possibly rootbound trees being sent to us from Florida as I have several varieties that did well from Florida (VP and Lemon zest).  The florida rootstocks tend to be more susceptible to die back in the winter though so I am not sure if it is rootstock dependent. 

The thing to keep in mind is that tuerpentine rootstocks from Florida are not all the same just as not all manilla rootstocks are the same in California.  My understanding is that these are just polyembrionic seeds and not a true clonal rootstock.    So I don't think we can ever settle this debate.  I do have 2 trees where I approach graft the bases from turpentine and manilla to see if they get the best of both worlds.    So far though the manilla side of the base is outgrowing the turpentine side.  So take it for what is worth in my small sample size of 2.


I have done it in cerritos.  Pineapple in ground for me was fairly slow growing.  From a small plug that i got to fruiting it took about 3 years.  They do seem to prefer well drained soil

In my yard is cerritos, the following produces well

Coconut cream (droopy on turpentine but produces reliably after 3-4 years in ground)
Ice cream (bought as 15gal tree with florida rootstock)
Galaxy (scion from dongeogio)
Valencia Pride (taste is subjective for some but it's a nice large colorful mangos for your relatives who don't know mangos)
Peach cobbler (on turpentine rootstock)

These following are the ones that are least productive in my yard
-alphonso (blooms like crazy and has lots of vegetative growth but very little fruits)
-lemon zest (powdery mildew problem)
-Venus (powdery mildew problem but it may be because of the location in my yard which is too shady and dark)

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Brutal heatwave 7/06/18 in Socal
« on: July 07, 2018, 08:45:45 PM »
Lost a few young grafted mangos that is west facing in full sun.  It hit 112 at my place in cerritos.  My anemic lychees young leaf all got burnt.  Not sure if it will make it.  My yang mai leaves also got burnt but its a more establish tree.


Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Mango’s - Which of These is Best
« on: March 29, 2018, 11:27:02 PM »
From a production standpoint, it is hard to top Valencia Pride in California.  It's a productive tree for me.  The taste is ok for the non-mango snobs.  I give this mango to my friends and co-workers because it is pretty and large.  Better than super market mango but not top tier.

Carrie I have trouble getting it to grow well in my yard.  Maybe slightly more susceptible to die backs on florida rootstock based on me and my friend's experience

Alphonso is a pretty tree for me, blooms like crazy but doesn't seem to set fruit well for me.

Keitt I grow only because it is the latest mango in my yard.  allows me to have mangos in January/Feb in the yard.

My friends have good experience growing sweet tart in california. 

My personal favorite is coconut cream

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Taiwan Gold - A big time mango
« on: January 12, 2018, 08:41:07 PM »
It definitely is the Jin Huang (golden queen) variety from taiwan.  It's a late commercial variety there.  It has Kiett in its lineage which is why it's a late variety.  It supposedly also have a mango named "white" as the other parent.  Generally have to be harvest green and ripen later commercially.  I am sure it has other names in Thailand and other places.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: coconut cream mango
« on: November 05, 2017, 01:09:34 AM »
Warren is correct.  I have planted many coconut cream seeds and they are poly

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Peach Cobbler Mango?
« on: October 17, 2017, 11:01:46 PM »
Peach cobbler turns yellow for me and i would twist it off after color change.  I had one that i left one the tree and it fell.  While fruit was still good, a decent portion was unedible due to being too soft

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: 2017 SoCal mango tasting
« on: October 01, 2017, 01:54:45 AM »
I would like to thank Frank and his mom for hosting the event and Warren, Ashok, Simon for setting up.  The event is wonderful as usual and it was wonderful to be in the presence of some of the pioneers in california mangos (Jim, Leo and Rudy).

My favorite top 5 were (in no particular order)
1. Lemon Zest
2. Sweet Tart
3. Leo kiett seedling
4. Fake Kesar (kesar tree sold to me from a florida nursery but the fruit is definitely not kesar)
5. Senorita

Others that are good:
Icecream, real alphonso

They didn't have any ripe coconut cream at the tasting but the coconut cream I just ate would rank up in the top 5 in my opinion.  It's so good, my wife forbids me to give any of it away!

I think we did a pretty good job of ripening the mangos this year but it was definitely tough to get more varieties than what we have.  I did bring my second to last Irwin I have on my tree but it was too small to split amongst the 22 people there.  It was good but it wasn't close to being the top tier in my opinion.  It is very pretty though and my gardener asked me for the last Irwin today.  I gave it away so he won't ask for my good mangos :)

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Shocking! Watch for yourself
« on: July 30, 2017, 09:10:09 PM »
As an internal medicine/pulmonary/critical care physician, I have to say the film is biased and is not really evidence based in any way.  The film maker started with some facts and truth to build credibility but then spun it in a completely different direction to serve his own agenda.  There is no doubt that lobbyist is everywhere in our society affecting every little thing we do in our lives.   Whether those money from these interest groups really affect the judgement of the guidelines, I really don't know (my guess is it does even its very little).  The film was somewhat credible until they follow those few patients for 2 weeks after being vegan.   I am sorry but patients choosing to come off their own medications for 2 weeks does NOT mean that they are all the sudden cured of all their diseases.  In fact, most of the deadly effects we see from chronic diseases come after months to years of having the disease.  What kills you from your hypertension is after years of hypertension and you get a deadly stroke.  Same with diabetes, most people don't even know they have it and can feel fine for months to years until they land themselve in the intensive care unit for diabetes ketoacidosis.  So bottom line is that 2 weeks is too short of a time to do anything.  They may be feeling better but it's probably placebo effect.

There is probably some benefits to being vegan but there are too many compounding variables to do a randomized controlled trial.  Vegans tend to be vegans because they want to be more healthy.  As a result, they tend to have better diet and exercise habits.  They most likely eat smaller portions and exercise 30 minutes or more per day.  So the effect they see may be confounded by those variables.

Bottom line is that we don't know if vegan is truly better than non-vegan diet at this time.  However, we do know that diet and exercise is good for us.  For those who want to given vegan diet a try, I would whole heartedly recommend it.  You just don't know if it works for you until you try it.

The reaction with calcium carbide is exophilic so it could create a lot heat if applied directly.

That's a very good price for buddy tape.  I paid close to 40 dollars with shipping earlier this season from another website.  Buddy tape is good for grafting because u don't have to remove it like tie tape.

Thanks simon for the great thread.  One thing to consider in southern california for mangos are rootstocks.  Some varieties grow ok on terpentine (VP, LZ and alphonso) but for other varieties it can yeild slow growth.  JF and simon have been experimenting with rootstocks.  We do notice that while on manilla the growth seems to be faster.  I am conducting an experiment on two julie trees.  One is on double rootstock (terpentine plus manilla) the other just turpentine.  I am puttingnthem at dame location next to each other to see if growth rate is indeed difference.  It is also conceivable that some of the faster growth could be related to actually having a tap root on manilla trees. Florida turpentine trees tend to not have tap roots

Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Re: Looking to buy Achachairu tree
« on: January 25, 2017, 12:41:15 AM »
Have three seedlings if u want it.  We can negotiate a price.  I am in cerritos right by the los angeles and orange county line

Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Re: Where to buy buddy tape?
« on: January 19, 2017, 08:42:36 PM »
Just got a roll from nursery grower supply.  They have to special order some so the price is 30 bucks now with 6 dollars shipping.  Normally i think they sell for 25

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: December Keitt Mango in Los Angeles?
« on: December 16, 2016, 11:57:36 PM »
Keitts can be picked mature green and sit on the counter to ripen (when soft it's ready to eat).  However, you can also opt to tree ripen it.  It's not uncommon for keitt to mature in Dec/Jan in southern cal

 It should have that strong piney scent from the leaves even in our climate.  Alphonso is very vigorous in our climate and its not surprising that its stunting everything else

The technique for lining up he cambrium would be similar to veneer grafting except u dont actually leave the little piece at the bottom to hold the scion.  I find it easier to tie two branches at a few cm above and below fhe cut which makes lining up the cambrium easier.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Huge Mango tasting in SoCal
« on: September 17, 2016, 01:49:38 AM »
Sweet Tart was well received and tops a lot of the attendee's list.  There were several votes for Leo2 as one the top as well.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: mango cultivation Japanese greenhouse
« on: August 25, 2016, 07:03:22 PM »
Yes, irwin if trained properly can be harvested at shoulder height.  Commercial growers in taiwan keep their trees low for easy harvesting and prevent the tree from getting blown over in typhoons.

Quite a lot of my flushes got fried in the recent heat waves but they are now flushing out again so I am hoping that there will still be growth this year.  Interestingly, the sweet tart I have that is mostly shaded by a big guava tree is growing and flushing nicely. 

As always george delivers fast and throws in some extras.  Thanks for the scions!

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Kent mango - it looked ripe...
« on: August 10, 2016, 11:34:21 PM »
U have to feel the mangos.  Once its soft it will be ready to eat.  Store bought Kent and keitt are notorious for not changing color when ripe.

Lemon zest has been a powdery mildew magnet for me in my yard in southern cal.  It seems to get the flowers every season for me.  I would be interested to see if rootstocks could actually impart resistance to the scions or not.  As they are fungal diseases of the vegetative portions of the plants, i am not sure if the rootstocks could protect the scions.  Keep us updated

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