The second image became a link on the text. These are z86 x bd5-117 (stover x Daytona).
They are not as big or robust. Really disease resistant considering they are about 65% domestic grape. 3% muscadine. Complex hybrid with different native stuff in the mix. A decent amount of aestavalis. I lost a few.
Parents have good grapes.

This is my one champion from about 25 z86 x bd last year. This is the only one to grow like a weed. Some disease but overall really nice. I keep trying to root it have not been successful yet.


The last one is the selfed bd seed. The only one out of 30 that grew enough to survive though this one is stunted too. Due to inbreeding though I can cross it and vigor will be restored. Some disease but it has survived brutal south Florida. These have crisp non slip skin table grapes and good for wine and pass on pierce tolerance well.

Very last Suwannee. Some disease but very fast grower. Large grapes for wine or table grape. A cousin of d370

I have to let this stuff get bigger and root some stuff later in the year then sell it. I only had a few Cabernet zehn seeds come up and they were weak and died. Cab zehn is 6% muscadine a half sibling of z86 with even better grapes. Produces wine the same as cab Sauvignon. I'll try to get some open pollinated seeds of it to sprout. Definitely the best red wine grape for the south.