The Tropical Fruit Forum

how much better are the grafted varieties than seedlings?  I have yet to try feijoa but I have been passing up seedlings left and right hoping for a cloned one.  Maybe I'm being too picky

This just in!

Last night One Green World sent me an email alert that their Feijoas are all back in stock - Anatoki, Apollo, Coolidge, Mammoth, Kaiteri, Kakariki, Nazemetz, Nikita, Robert, Takaka and Unique. If you happen to have people in the Portland area, Apollo and Mammoth are available as 5g and 15g - but they don't ship anything bigger than 1g. The Mammoth they sent me last year was good sized - probably 2ft. tall from the soil line.

Good luck!

I went to Lows today, I found this.

Quote from: driftwood on November 04, 2021, 12:31:40 AM

ah yeah I forgot to mention I will be in SoCal. I plan to check the SD area nurseries and someone told me sometimes home depot has them down there. I appreciate the information however! I will be looking online if I dont find anything

Very easy to find in Southern California. The HD and Lowes around here carry Coolidge and Nazemetz in 3 gals, 5' tall for $35. HD had a bunch of 1 gals on clearance for $4. I didn't need another feijoa, but who could resist that price? I found a nice one with a 1" trunk that I'm going to bonsai. The tropical fruit nurseries have them, but I don't know about varieties and they might be a little more pricey. I've only seen the usual varieties, so my eyes gloss over them since I'm well stocked In case you struggle to find Nazemetz, I have a 1 gal from a cutting. 3ft from the ground 1/2" trunk that I could ship or you could pick up. I have a few other things available as well if you're in the area and interested

One Green World nursery sells named cultivars.  They’re out of stock right now, but you can be added to their notifications when available in spring.

https://onegreenworld.com/product-category/fruiting-shrubs/pineapple-guava/

Janet

Quote from: driftwood on October 20, 2021, 08:36:02 PM

lots of people here grow durian plants

but no one in mainland US growing durian fruit

Quote from: W. on October 20, 2021, 08:14:38 PM

You're crazy.

Well, you said to tell you that you're crazy.

Durian are finicky and get very large, so growing them in pots is probably not going to work. But, you never can tell. A big enough pot and a large enough (and hot enough) greenhouse, and you might get some fruit. A woman in South Florida managed to get a purple mangosteen to fruit in a large pot, so anything is possible. Plus, I am growing cherimoyas, jackfruits, and mamey sapotes in pots, in Alabama, so I am obviously just as crazy since none of those plants are small container fruit trees.

where did you hear about the purple mangosteen?

It was in the July 2020 Rare Fruit Club International RFCI Miami newsletter: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1oAV231Qr3S4pNcbZujiGi_11ALq0bNFo/view. Dr. Paulette Johnson managed to fruit both her purple mangosteen and pulasan in 2020. She is the first to ever successfully fruit a pulasan in the continental U.S. and the second (I think), behind Bill Whitman, to do so with a purple mangosteen. Achievements that took a great deal of work on her part. I imagine a similar level of work and experimentation would need to be done to fruit durian in the continental U.S.

driftw, I think the pods are old but that is the color they turn after green. Also from pictures on line pods look to small to be I. feuillei or can they throw smaller pods in sub-tropical environment?

Hi All,

I am a newbie to tropical fruit, looking to start growing indoors.  I'm planning on starting with a fruit I became obsessed with when I traveled to Yucatan MX and Guatemala - Melicoccus bijugatus/oliviformus.  I don't know which one I've had tbh!  Probably Oliviformus?

At the moment, my wife and I don't have much room, so I am only hoping to have one of each Bijugatus and Oliviformus trees - which we will be growing indoors. 

I have read about the Florida Bijugatus cultivars Queen and Montgomery, as well as the PR cultivars Sasa and Jose Pabon.  I have found seedlings and grafted plants from FL and PR online that I'm pretty sure are all Bijugatus.  It seems like they are hermaphrodite cultivars, so I'd only need one to get fruit. 
I have not found any info about cultivars of Melicoccus Oliviformus, or seen any of them for sale online besides the user "raulglezruiz" selling Oliviformus seeds on this forum a few years ago.  It seems Oliviformus is monoecius so I'd only need one to get fruit as well.

I've read everything about quenepa on this forum, and a fair amount from Google, but still have a few questions I am hoping to get some help with as I get underway in order to be successful.  Here are the main things I am wondering:

- Is any particular cultivar known as a superior rootstock with these trees?
- Do you know of any good sources for Oliviformus seeds, seedlings, or grafted specimens?
- Do you know of any specific Oliviformus cultivars to aim for?
- I have read that grafting is quite difficult with these plants - is it worth trying to make a multigrafted tree for Bijugatus?  If not, what cultivar would you have if you could just have one?

Ideally, I'm hoping to find a grafted specimen of each to purchase, but I know I may have to go from seed or seedling for Oliviformus at least.
Any help is appreciated - let me know if I'm missing anything obvious because I'm a newb - thanks!

Melicoccus bijugatus(quenepa/mamoncillo/limoncillo) is more common. central america,caribbean,south america. these are a bit sweet-sour and the pulp sticks to the seed. they are dioecious i believe. but there's different named varieties that have both flowers so you would only need one tree. you can find seeds or plants of this online.



talisia oliviformis(guaya/cotoperiz) these are from mexico and are harder to find. you can get a plant from mexico but it's expensive. the pulp doesn't stick to the seed i believe. these first two can be confused and even many people in latin america won't know the difference.

there's another one from brazil called talisia esculenta(pitomba) these are really tasty and look different. the fruit looks brown-orange ish. the leaves are clearly different from the other two. However they do hybridize with t.oliviformis. so when you get one of these last two you might get a different degree of t.oliviformis or t.esculenta.

Quote from: vall on August 09, 2021, 03:54:26 PM

Thanks guys. I do want my well(s) to be permitted so I might ask for more details when I get there. I'm buying 5 acres on a former citrus grove in Vero Beach and I close at the end of the month.

Chances are your property has (or the entire rove if yours is carved from a larger farm) a water use permit from the SFWMD for groundwater use.  It may be possible to secure the portion of the allocation proportional to your acreage.
Check out the sfwmd.gov page and look at the e-permiting feature if will show you what is in place.
The also have a user friendly geospatial database that includes information on water facilities and permits.

This link should get you to the map tool
https://apps.sfwmd.gov/WAB/SFWMDMapping/index.html

You will need to turn on the permit layer
TO do this,
1) Select the "Layer List"  It is the second button in the row of button at the bottom of your screen, the green one
2) Click in the check box next to the "Consumptive use permit"  (third from the bottom - you may need to scroll down the list)

If you are familiar with these tools, items show up as you zoom in and the permit information is very dense, it is best viewed as you zoom into your project area.

Water rights in Florida is very unique.  It is not like in California or the rest of the country.  No one owns water rights in Florida (other than the Indian tribes, these are independent nations in their own right and have their own laws rules and regulations)
For the rest of us, water is a public asset the rights to which are determined by the board of 5 water management districts.  There are very formal rules for making those determinations.  The board are not elected board (an attempt to make water right not a political issue), but appointed by the governor for 4 year terms, staggered so that there is always experience on the board.  They have responsibility for developing water resources not just allocating it, they plan for 20 years into the future (and update the plans every 5 years extending the look so that they are always anticipating needs 20 years out) and develop resources so that users can get water up to and during drought of a 1 in 10 year severity. They also have water quality, restoration and flood control responsibilities.
Back to water rights, no one owns water.  You need to justify that your need is a beneficial use of water and you meet the appropriate tests (including avoiding impact to wetlands or existing legal users) and you get an allocation.  Your permit may have a 5 year duration after which you renew and may be as long as 20 years (usually for public water supply utilities who need the longer assurance of water for bonding purposes and capital investments). 
If this is not too boring for you and want to learn some more, I will be glad to point you to resources on the web sites of the SFWMD which is where many of you have indicated interest in moving to.

only 1 of them seems viable which is the moldy one, the other 4 smell fermented, stem are brown and the seeds are grey doubt these will germinate and look dead. Waited 3 weeks for these seeds to be sent and still has the audacity to tell me the seeds are "100% alive" when they are grey and falling apart