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I have yet to germinate an annona seed in anything other than peat moss

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Whatís was your germination procedure and are you sure theyíre legit seeds? Also how long did they take to germinate! Thank you

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Does anyone have any for sale that they can mail or ship to florida?

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Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Re: Annona salzmannii var "Giant"
« on: February 17, 2022, 08:48:02 AM »
Driftwood- traveling the world and finding fruit might be a business. I work with my hands for a living. Thereís no comparison. Iím not degrading anyone. Doesnít change my feelings that trying to recoup $2800 off 3 fruits is a lot of money. Maybe it costs $2800 to travel to find the 3 fruits. Maybe thatís a fair price to pay for the amount of seeds offered, and itís justified by how rare they are. And maybe it was very difficult. But thereís no way it took the time or effort it takes me, and many other people to make $2800. Also, I was commenting directly to a prior response. I agree the work is important. And yes rare seeds in general are expensive. Itís a choice to set these prices though and I still think itís expecting alot for people to cover that much of the expeditions. That being said, I realize that itís a lot to guarantee anything, and thereís a cost to that, so respect. Also, I wished him luck with the sales. And I genuinely mean it

I think im just gonna wait until someone can sell me a scion lol

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Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Re: Annona salzmannii var "Giant"
« on: February 16, 2022, 07:38:10 PM »
So we gotta pay for the expeditions? And how do we even know what the seeds will do when they mature? Itís too expensive for most to even try to find out. Itís not budwood weíre talking about here, itís shots in the dark. In my opinion this forum exists as a means for mostly serious growers to buy/sell/trade and share info. I try to look at every post when possible. If itís clogging up the BST board, Iím going to comment if I think the price is outrageous. Also I donít think charging astronomical prices is the way to truly preserve a species. Everyone is welcome to create a website and try to draw traffic to it. If you post on here youíre going to draw comments. Charging 75 euro for 4 seeds of a fruit with tons of seeds is just outrageous and a waste of most peopleís time to read the post. And really limits growing ďgiantĒ salzmanii to only a few wealthy growers. Even if I can afford it, Iím not paying for someone else to go traverse the world and get $1000 worth seeds off one fruit. I work very hard for a living, Iím not sure everyone knows what that means. Searching for seeds is a hobby and a vacation. Also weíre dealing with nature and thereís no type of guarantee on anything. I do not doubt the dedication at all. Itís seeds hunters choice to get it in the hands of people or not. If you truly cared about preserving species though you wouldnít charge so much.

with all my respect mate I think no one asked anyone to pay for anything here! we started from scratch knowing we will be facing a lot of challenges and a lot of new and different situations and we went for it adapting with the situation at any point of the time. we have a cost structure and a social structure that we need to be sustaining on Monthly basis to keep our work going and preserve as much species as we can reach!no one is forced to be a part of it! nature is being destroyed on daily basis and if today it's still possible to find some species in few years with the actual destruction pace part of these species will go extinct from the wild. we have made a lot of prices better and we are working on improving them to make them all available at affordable prices for everyone though it takes time. charging astronomical prices is of course not the way to preserve specie , though this is true in which conditions mate ? there are a lot of details that goes into pricing! it'S always easy to judge! though there are expeditions costs, cleaning and selection process and treatment of seeds for storage. our seeds after the cleaning process goes through different stages of selection and goes through many kinds of tests until they are ready for storage and to offer!
we offer follow up and we haven't let any customer down who told us he didn't get a germination for any specie! we always gladly sent new seeds and offered follow up until specie is established! we guarantee delivery and guarantee quality and that also has its costs. logistic also has a high cost structure and so on.. we are establishing all species and cultivars with the aim of propagation and to make them all affordable and accessible for anyone.. though the process takes time.. and while working on getting there we will keep doing our best to keep our social structure and keep this thing going! 30 to 40 percent of our seeds are always shared with natives and serious growers in Brazil before any of these gets offered ! our friends and partners around the globe know who we truly are, if we really care about preservation , and supports us in what we do! we are happy to share seeds, trade seeds and we have traded with  hundreds of people without any money  included! I believe if people asked for trade or found a better way to interact with people instead of judging them , life would have been way better for both parts!

If someone's seeds don't germinate, and you are able to send seeds for any species just like that, does that not contradict some of your details about pricing?

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Ultimate potted plant food forest?
« on: February 16, 2022, 09:58:29 AM »
What are some delicious fruit, whether rare, tropical, or temperate, that I can grow in pots (of any size) in south Florida zone 10?
So far this is my collection, I wouldn't mind the whole thing being Annona but id like more variety.

(All seedlings)
Soursop
Rollinia
Ilama seeds germinating
Lisa atemoya seedlings
Temoylata seeds germinating
Cherimoya seeds (hopefully will crack soon)
Sweetsop/sugar apple
Apples
over 30 varieties of dragon fruit
passionfruit
Jaboticaba
lychee
Mango

Also, I like fruit that are creamy, sweet, jelly or jam-like texture.

(non-seedling)
Copious amounts of pineapples

(Trees I  want) (unsure if pot-friendly, nor good pricing)
Ice cream bean
grafted lychee
cacao

Feel free to suggest fruit plants/trees that grow well in pots please!

I want to have my whole yard filled with fruit trees, unfortunately, I don't "own" a home, just a teen. So I have to keep my plants potted in my backyard. I also plan to move them to my own home in the future if I'm blessed enough to reach that time.

(if my parents like some of the fruit and want to keep a few trees I wouldn't mind)

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thanks, I recently got in contact with him and bought some seeds. I hope all my hybrid seedlings don't revert and I get something cool

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Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Re: Seeds Annona Salzmanii gigante
« on: February 16, 2022, 09:24:29 AM »
Giant gecko the other seller is not shipping from usa

so he is selling 4 of these seeds for $40?

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Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Re: Annona Reticulata seedlings?
« on: February 15, 2022, 05:59:06 PM »
alright thank you

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Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Re: Selling: some plants for sale
« on: February 15, 2022, 05:58:18 PM »
Luc's garcinia ( variety Pumpkin ) $for $40 ea


2 Imbe for $24

2 Chupa Chupa for $24


Bilimbi for $10ea

Garcinia sp lindero $25 sold

Cambuca $40

Garcinia sp lindero $24 sold

Yellow jaboticaba $14ea

Pitomba for $12 ea

Luc's for $55

Garcinia macrophilia for $60 sold

Superior Garcinia intermedia for $40 sold

Luc's for $55

Giant mulchi for $75 sold

Giant mulchi for $40 sold

Shipping for 1 or 2 plants are $16
Usa only

Is there anything in this list that fruits quickly? 1-3 years? Worth growing in pots in zone 10?

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Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Re: Annona Reticulata seedlings?
« on: February 15, 2022, 05:02:39 PM »
With shipping included, for a small airlayer or tree $45-50 for a seedling $16+shipping, I donít have much sorry if itís too small.  I work once a week and have this one pricy hobby focused on this one pricy plant family haha, bad combo imo

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Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Annona Reticulata seedlings?
« on: February 15, 2022, 04:05:57 PM »
Hey everyone Iím trying to find a cheap small tree or seedling that can be shipped. Canít find a seedling ANYWHERE online. And the grafted or air layers go up $70+ with shipping

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Not looking for anything specific really, maybe sugarlata or some sort of reticulata hybrid or just a normal reticulata. Other than that I'm just looking for hybrid genetics.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Can I grow Jackfruit in a pot?
« on: February 10, 2022, 10:22:52 PM »
Its worth a try. I've lost a couple in the past but I'm pretty sure it was due to over saturation/root rot. So thats something to be mindful of. Hoping to get some flowers on this one in a few months.







Wow how old is that tree?

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Can I grow Jackfruit in a pot?
« on: February 08, 2022, 11:35:58 AM »
Is it possible to grow one and have its fruit in a 25 gal? I know it would involve immense pruning to train the trunk and get it small over a few years right? I plan on repotting it in a 1 gal, 5 gal, 15 gal, then 25 gal over the years to train it/keep it small. I'm growing it from a seed in a small half gal pot right now. any tips?

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Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Re: LF Asimina Triloba seedlings
« on: February 08, 2022, 07:46:12 AM »
I want them as long as they're alive ;)

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Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / LF Asimina Triloba seedlings
« on: February 07, 2022, 07:51:21 AM »
can anyone sell me some Asimina Triloba seedlings? im bad at Annona seed germination

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check out the flying fox fruits website

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Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / air layered loquat?
« on: February 06, 2022, 07:55:23 PM »
Can someone sell me a mature air layered loquat, please?

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Every single one of my lisa seeds have cracked open like they're going to germinate but no sign of life yet. All other seeds are pretty much dormant. I removed them from the napkins and potted them in cactus soil and peat moss then put them outside

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All my seeds in cactus soil and peat moss have cracked. I did a few second dip in a copper plant disease (killer?) spray because they had began to have white patches of mold because  of my improper germination methods. Since then the seeds have continued to crack and swell but also developed blue shards around them all though Iíve washed and wiped them off after sitting them in the solution for a few seconds. Are they bound to die or am witnessing them germinate?

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Your peat sounds to wet I think they might rot.
If you have
#1 Add Vermiculite to soak up excess water
(dry sand with no salt or even larger (silica)
 pavers sand rinsed in bucket since in Florida )
 (or add perlite to create air )

(or if you do not have those add more peat and make sure the soil is not to wet


 If you squeeze the peat in bag , and water comes wringing out of it not good


I like to before starting seeds to soak for 24 hours in plain water (or even 48)
 I've used Hot water a lot actually (changing it when it cools to hot)

you can also add air to the bag to create humidity
honestly I'd rather use a terrarium (sealed shut, but let the seeds breath after sprouting leaves every week
(Annonaceae  species for instance  not bean let those breath more often at least for me, and same with persimmon)

(if yuo see little flying knat s
keep root maggots off people use boiled marigold tea  to kill the larvae (natural insecticide
(I forgot how to spell  name but it's spelled  pyrethrin)

I like what gone tropo says about seeds out doors
it is cold in Florida now though
(So I cannot comment on your species with personal experience  with the cold out doors in Florida , )

NOTE if using a humidity dome
That is a controlled environment
growing out doors , and that is different keep that in mind
Bad bacteria can grow fast in a humidity dome !!!!

Out doors changes things , and they could grow great, but
Inside keep in mind if you use out door soil screen out any large half chucks of half decayed wood.
This should prevent Hydrogen Sulfide 9or rotten egg smell anaerobic
 (no oxygen to seeds in bag, but keep in mind hydrogen sulfide acts different out doors with plants, (in nature)
 but inside controlled environment will suffocate seeds)

(,  NOTE half decayed wood in out door soil  is bad (in bag) except I do like pine bark bought in the store even if not fresh )
Also NOTE cherimoya here is expensive here I have had seeds in a bag a long while ,
but it should not be soaking they will rot .

you should at least for the time being Add something to soak up all the excess water
Better to have them grow slow then rot fast

So to over complicate things here  (never a bag idea to  get a dollar store spray bottle and just mist your medium )
you did say damp peat , but at least me personally if only peat is used I  want it some what crumply
(like the consistency of moist oreo cookies mist every now and again (best I can explain )
A little drawn out explanation , and should of made it simplified

Without seeing a picture of the damp peat it is hard to know if too wet though (sorry, but I'm taking caution)

Thank you! the peat is definitely too wet, im going to wring out all the extra water

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I have, no germination, with my soil that's a great way to feed all my seeds to worms and grubs or just have them rot, plenty of seeds haven't germinated so far. I am unsure and want to not waste my money experimenting, I still haven't found what works best for me

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Impatient with Annona hybrid seeds, need tips
« on: January 31, 2022, 07:30:32 PM »
I currently have Temoylata, Lisa Atemoya, and Cherimoya in damp peat moss in a Ziploc bag on a heat mat. These seeds were treated with GA3 500 for a few hours, it still wasn't enough for them to absorb a good amount of water if any at all they have all absorbed water while in the peart moss and no longer float. I saw testa rupture on one of the Lisa seeds and thought I was in the clear for them to mature soon.

I have only germinated one Annona seed since I started this hobby 2 months ago. so far I've had over 20 Annona seeds that have not germinated in a month, mostly sugar apple and soursop.

I am worried that I will leave these in the Ziploc bags and they will just never be germinated because they rotted or just don't as not every seed from fruit is viable.

I see all these posts about people getting seeds going in a week or two. How can I make sure I get germination and know that they wont rot or die or something. Annona seeds are painful to work with.

should I just ignore the bags on the heat mat for another 7 days?

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I am not sure about the crosses but the Temoylata is Ruby Ong

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