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I made selections for large high brix fruit.

Hey look- another person who needs a refractometer!

Yeah I need a refractometer, I going off what results the NALPGRU recorded. It would be nice to see my own results with the climatic conditions the plants experience.

Very hard question. Hmmm... I think these are my top 5:

1. A. squamosa/Cherimoya
2. Mangosteen
3. Prickly pear (Opuntia ssp.)
4. Avocado
5. Mango/longan/water melon/chupa-chupa...


Nice balanced list with a wide range in flavors. Another Opuntia lover, hehe I am growing about 15 varieties of Opuntia. 8 varieties from the  National Arid Land Plant Genetic Resources Unit, I made selections for large high brix fruit.

I am growing low chill apples in Southern California, including Dorsett Golden. Different conditions however, lower humidity and grown in containers.

Dorsett Golden was flowering about 3-4 weeks ago. I recommend trying Anna Apple out, it is a great producer. Last year Anna Apple produced 2 crops.

I did not see a top 5 fruit post yet, so I thought we could start one.

Here is my top 5 list of fruits, many I could not bear living without;

1) Mango (Taste is above almost anything else, versatile in use from drinks to dishes)
2) Lychee (Taste is amazing, premier dessert fruit)
3) Apple (Many different varieties and range of tastes, couldn't stand not eating an apple for an entire year)
4) Persimmon (In my opinion this fruit is the best for fall/winter, good shelf life, great taste)
5)Banana/Plantain (Great taste, staple fruit, versatile use in smoothies to potato substitute)

An honorable mention; Avocados (One of my favorites but its tough to make the top 5 with such worthy competition)


The perfectly ripe Sapodilla was incredibly sweet to me, I prefer sweet/acid balance. I used the lime to introduce some acid to balance out the extremely sweet.
I understand why you are doing it...its just that I, and a lot of people who love saps, love them for they sweet brown sugar characteristics.

Bottom line, if you like it that way, that is all that counts (some may call you crazy but then again we all are for being in this cult :)).


I guess sapodilla is not the highest on my fruit list, to me its worth growing especially with the quick preparation to improve to tastes for me. I guess its kind of like avocado, some people won't eat it plain only prepared in guacamole.


The perfectly ripe Sapodilla was incredibly sweet to me, I prefer sweet/acid balance. I used the lime to introduce some acid to balance out the extremely sweet.


Thanks for the personal taste accounts. I have a Silas Woods on the way soon, can't wait to add it to the collection. When I first tried Sapodilla, I thought it was ok, but extremely sweet. I then tried squeezing a good amount of lime juice on every slice, it made the flavor a lot more balanced and tasty.

I have been using the HD groundcover pine bark (the smallest ones, I believe they carry 2-3 sizes). Most pieces are about the size of a nickle or smaller, with a small amount of larger ones around the size of a chestnut. The plants don't mind the mix (with 5 parts pine 1 part perlite 1 part peat) at all, I figured after a year or so the pine bark will shrink down and decompose slightly. Its probably not optimal, but I have been getting good drainage and good growth so far. I used this same mix to fruit the Dwarf Orinoco banana in a 30 gal.

ASaffron, brought up a good point though, I don't think all tropical fruits are going to like the mix (Ones that like there roots wet most of the time). The mix works out well with Mangoes, Jakfruit, Cactus, Blueberries, Apples, Citrus so far.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Few pics of my TR Hovey papaya
« on: January 25, 2012, 04:56:16 PM »
Would love to trade with you Asaffron, I like collecting various useful edible plants and herbs.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Few pics of my TR Hovey papaya
« on: January 25, 2012, 04:14:55 PM »
Land is pretty affordable in Puna, especially after the real estate market went down around the country. I was thinking about possibly buying some land and moving to Puna. However, a number of things would prevent me. High cost of living for basics that are imported, slow economy with very few jobs, the bugs, cost of flying to visit family and mainland, would have to leave my plant collection behind.

Sorry to go off topic, I may get a TR Hovey soon from Ebay. It seems like a great container papaya to grow.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: new USDA Zones due to warming trend
« on: January 25, 2012, 03:42:50 PM »
It seems most of California experienced a bump up in zone. Interesting to see that almost all of Los Angeles basin is a solid zone 10b. I believe the Los Angeles basin gets a lot of the warmth at night from the concrete and asphalt density. I can spot many +15 year old Mango and Inga edulis trees planted in the ground through out Los Angeles.

Around 12 gal?

I have been using this mix which I find to work out pretty well. The pine bark and peatmoss helps combat the high ph water conditions we have in Southern California. I intend to repot the mix every 2 years or so.

5 parts pine bark (A bag runs about $4 for 2 cubic ft., I buy 5 to make a batch)
1 part peat moss (Around $11-15 for 2 cubic ft.)
1 part perlite (Around $11-15 for 2 cubic ft.)
dash of lime and a hand full of compost (for microbes)

Total cost for 14 cubic ft. of soil mix $42-50. I believe from memory this fills up 3-4 20 gal containers.

Another mix I use for a custom made self watering container seems to work really well. Its 80% multi purpose sand with 20% compost. I finish off with a thick layer of pine bark mulch.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Great source for LED panel (grow light)
« on: January 23, 2012, 08:39:15 PM »
I would recommend using htgsupply, any of the LED panels they stock are going to be pretty good quality, they also sell on ebay.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Palm Springs Wind from Hell
« on: January 23, 2012, 03:24:57 AM »
It was windy, but nothing extreme like the last wind storm. Mangofang, you plan to pug most of your mangoes and keep them short? Perhaps it will help with evaporation as well.


Totally agree its a great fruit mixer, fresh in a fruit salad. I would eat mine with lime or lemon juice every time if I had the choice, the taste and balance is improved greatly for me doing this. Btw, are you the same person who runs fruitlovers nursery, if so great place! Was  very happy with the Acai seed order last year, waiting on available hybrid jaboticaba seeds now.


Great guide, loved all the pictures. Amazing setup you have going on, very cool. The presentation is great for beginners to tropical container culture.

Maybe in a future guide or addition more advance topics such as; container irrigation, fertilization schedules for certain plants, soil mix recipes, introduction to aquaponics, and other topics. This forum has great potential to sticky members guides and videos that show these topics.

How high is your graft on the Ewais?  I was thinking about getting one from Roger Meyer.


Its a pretty high graft 2.5ft or so up the tree. I wish the graft was lower, but its hard to find any good sized unique mango in SoCal.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Grafting Jaboticaba
« on: January 22, 2012, 02:52:11 PM »

Thanks for the info on Jaboticaba, now its time to try to find seeds... I am currently growing two Myrciaria, both Myrciaria cauliflora, one Sabara and the other one unnamed. Perhaps I will add the hybrid Myrciaria, I know fruitlovers is selling seeds of it.

I am using them with pretty good results, its only been about 3-4 months since repot. Currently, I am using them in the more drought tolerant trees like pomegranate, jujube, and citrus. I bought a batch of (10) 18 gal fabric containers from ebay for a good price (think it was $89). I am going to possibly repot Julie mango in one next month. My main worries with them were drying out to fast due to the increased aeration (I don't know if I would repot the Lychees in fabric containers). I have been trying a 5/1/1 mix of Pine bark, Perlite, and Peatmoss. The plants seem to like this mix.

Cara Cara Orange and Anna Apple in fabric containers.

I am also trying out superoots air pruning containers with a Ewais Mango, so far its going well. I will be able to tell a bigger difference in performance of the trees once the temps warm up in the spring time. I try to also raise the fabric containers off the ground with a brick, however I have not done this with all of them. Thanks Kevin for the heads up, I am going to try to finish up raising the rest of the containers off the ground.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Heat mat recommendation?
« on: January 21, 2012, 02:09:20 PM »

Interesting about the heat tape, I want to set some up, is it pretty easy to work with.

This is great news!  I have a Dwarf Orinoco in a pot, maybe 15-20 gallon.  I had given up on getting any fruit, I just kept it around for putting out by the back porch in the summer.  In fact, a couple of time I cut back the main pseudostem!  Stupid!  Now we'll have to find a bigger container and try to get some fruit!

Stick in there, you will get bananas soon. Mine started to fruit after they moved up into a 30 gal. I now have to work on a fertilizer schedule that helps promote rapid growth and more bananas development.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: New mangos to my collection
« on: January 20, 2012, 06:55:34 PM »
Where the heck are you located? From the Google Earth photos it looks like either the Mojave desert or the Dead Sea region in Israel....

Looks like the canary islands.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: New mangos to my collection
« on: January 20, 2012, 06:45:41 PM »
Congrats on the healthy newly planted trees, awaiting the future fruit update. Seeing these pictures is giving me the mango itch again... wanting another mango tree lol.


Np, good luck with grafting!


Which variety of Sapodilla are you growing? I found sapodilla to be very good fresh fully ripe with a squeeze of lime juice on the slices.

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