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I searched the latin name Vitis (quick search)

https://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/search/?query=vitis&submit_search=Go%21
(Advanced search)
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the grapes of New York
 the cultivation of Native Grape, and the manufacture of American Wines
The raisin Industry
II Vino undici conferenze fatte nell'inverno dell'anno 1880 (Italian) 
American Grape training
 (etc.) 2 others

I did find this recently looking at something,
and like the pictures on  The Emperor's Rout, by Unknown
 but have many other old resource books wrote as well
(like people that studied persimmons genectics from 100 years ago , but another site)



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LEt me know if you use it, and find what types of words are good to search
nothing came up for annonaceae ,
or the grape family vitaceae

Saw these today on this site thought it was a good selection of pictures to share.

I naturalist . org

https://www.inaturalist.org/search?q=asimina

These are good as well
 (as seen in the temperate discussion already posted Asiminaholics )

Encyclopedia of Life
https://eol.org/search?utf8=%E2%9C%93&q=asimina




 

I see Turkey stand preserve is just 12 miles south, but anyone know of any fruit tree's there
Is it worth a visit to go out of my way ,

IS there any thing in Florida worth going out of my way if I was on the west coast side?

as well as fruits I like native plants , and wild forging type foods
Any botanical garden places Nurseries etc.

As I do like gutars as well as thrift stores,
 and pawn shops where I can find some old guitars too.
Things usually fall into place for me (someone said I was a Empath)

Any thing like that
with Covid I Am not sure to ask about Dive bars, or Bars with rock music.
but I wouldn't mind seeing any hole in the wall type bars to take a break in If I decide to get a hotel.
Some place I can talk with the locals , and find out where things are play pool etc. .

Anyone know of any companies that sell stuff like this.
I like Ginger , and there is thousands of species
would be nice to have some samplings before I try to grow them out.

Same with things that can be kept small, and made into tea's
Just recent in winter Really got into Mexican Hawthorn ( Tejocotes)
Sugar brings out the taste (has a Vanilla taste to it).

Would love to try some of the wild forged stuff in Florida In the rose/apple family , and would pay
like Fire thorn  (Pyracantha ) In Southern USA .

I make wine so It would be nice to get some Annona Glabra to experiment (pond apple)
Some of the bad flavors turn out good after the molecules bind over time .

I am posting because I have a need , and I am sure some people may want to make money as well.
If I can find a plant that doesn't get to big, and make tea or even move it to
New orleans Where I can pick it when I visit I will be great full
 (I didn't learn any plants down that way except cats claw..)

Hi I am wondering if anyone has any experience with shipping large amounts of plants .

I do not have much experience with this, but I did try shipping a large item(s)
USPS before They wanted so much ,
 the only company I know that does it cheap only ships in the Midwest.

I have been browsing online but I hope some people have experience here .

Also Buying a tree.

Some Nurseries do not sell online
I've had Companies do that stuff for me , USPS wanted a ton of money though to package stuff.

I was reading this last year, and think it is Interesting
If you read the first section go back to the main menu , and read the second.

https://pslc.ws/mactest/exp/rubber/menu.htm

Here is a preview

Tlachtli

Our expedition starts here in Mexico. We're in Tenochtitlan, capital of the Aztec Empire. Someday the world will know it as Mexico City. The year is about 1500, or 7-Acatl on the Aztec calendar. We're here to watch a game called tlachtli.

Tlachtli is kind of like basketball. Games similar to basketball have been played all over Mesoamerica by peoples like the Aztec, the Maya, and the Olmec. The object of Tlachtli is to put a ball through a hoop made of stone at one end of a court. But unlike basketball, the players can't use their hands. Also unlike basketball, where the losing team gets nothing worse than trash-talk from the winners, the losers in this game of tlachtli are going to have their heads chopped off after the game. The players are prisoners of war, the enemies of the Aztecs who are hosting the game. The game is a ritual honoring Amapan and Uappatzin, the patron deities of the game of tlachtli, and honoring Huitzilopochtli, the Aztec god of war.

But we're not here because of the gory post-game celebrations. We're interested in the ball these folks are playing with. It's roughly the size of a bowling ball, and weighs about five pounds. (Getting it through the hoop without using the hands is so hard that the first team to score a goal wins.) What's special about this ball is that it is made of natural rubber.


Natural rubber is made by a number of plants which grow in warm climates. Of course, rubber balls aren't the only thing that the Aztec and other people of the Americas make from rubber. Rubber boots, raincoats of rubberized cotton cloth, and water bottles were all produced by the ingenuity of these people. Rubber was valuable enough in the world of ancient Mesoamerica that it was used to pay for goods and services in barter.

Rubber is one of the Americas' best-kept secrets. But the rest of the world will find out about rubber eventually. Back in 1492 Christopher Columbus made his first visit to the West Indies. When he came back in 1496, he visited the island of Hispaniola. There he saw people playing games with rubber balls and was amazed at how well the rubber game balls bounced.

Rubber goes on the back Burner

More newcomers will follow Columbus. As violent as the Aztecs seem to us today, what with their human sacrifice and all, they are going to meet an even more violent group of people. Following Columbus to the Americas were the Spanish conquistadors. A group of conquistadors led by Hernan Cortes will land in Mexico in 1519 and incite a revolt of the oppressed Aztec subjects destroying the Aztec Empire. The subjects would have been better off under their old masters as the Spanish kill or enslave thousands. But the people which survive the tragedy will introduced the Spanish to the many wonderful uses of rubber.

In Europe no one has ever seen anything like rubber, and people there will be full of questions about it, questions like...what is this stuff?

Hi We have Lindera benzoin spicebush  it is like a spice like all spice
In the same family as Cinnamon laurel family

I am wondering about Pond berry L. melissifoilium 
though any uses , or anyone using these wild plants

I am mostly looking for   the L. Subcoriaceae it is rare , 
and would like to know if it has any uses it is going extinct ,
but would like to know if it is edible, and try it
if I can find it visiting or call A botanical garden or something
will try Fnps (florida Native plant society , but maybe one of you know.

I am not having much luck online.

I know L. benzoin (spice berry) can be aggressive )
When I do , a search here though no replies come back on lindera except mine
(Which I am surprised by this seeing how you people on here always surprise me with weird species )
I am hoping someone also uses wild plants like this (I am not lookin to buy it thinking of planting DOWN  IN NOLA)

Spice bush can take over , but it has a mulled wine like flavor
I've bought, and harvested  the seeds  , but had it in jam as well .
 (sorry My seeds are growing someplace with persimmons I hope
 I just do not know where, and they are for me anyways, but may share seeds in a few months)

Hi This is the Vegetable section ,  and tropical So all I can think of Is water melon comes from a tropical place

Anyways there are water melon you couldn't find anywhere else, and other vegetables .
Seeds of water melon can be roasted like Pumpkin seeds (for the really seedy types.)

https://www.nativeseeds.org/
https://www.nativeseeds.org/collections/watermelons

 Tucson, Arizona

Getting the first problem out of the way

# 1 Do not Shake pawpaw tree,and look up 3 hard ones almost broke my nose! (eyes teared up)

#2 The pawpaw peduncle borer, Talponia plummeriana, may be the most severe pest (USNM image). 
The larvae, which reach a length of 5 mm, feed in fleshy parts of the flower, causing flowers to drop.
This borer is in Whole fruit (so no opening )
Cliff England (Breeder & associated with selling Jerry Lehman seeds  one of which is 812 grams almost a kilo)
which has many tree's said it is rare so should NOT be a worry in the USA)
The USA may have natural moth predators so shipping fresh fruit could be a concern.

Was freaking out when in the woods opened up a fruit for a taste ,
and found two long skinny  worms .

see Picture Below On next post

#3
 Talponia batesi (Оlethreutidae) was taken in a cherimoya } from Мехico

#4
See also This post
New guanabana disease
http://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=32093.msg352791#msg352791

#6 like every thing white flies eating roots , and seeds
Using dry sand on new seed bed (I have a propagation method , but that may need a new link to)

#6 North western USA  or (better Known as  Pacific Northwest PNW region )
Blue stain



 pretty sure  carried by a fungus on Pine tree's Native there.)

If I can find good links about it.
(but here for now) KYSU


By the way about grafting
A lot of tree's people Graft if they do not like the Variety when Large

Jerry Lehman (midwest)  said he doesn't (not with PAWPAW), and His tree's where old Big looking
KYSU (college) said tree's decline after 15 years (on web site)
I saw them They look like they graft onto older root stock
 at least the orchard where I searched for fallen old fruit for seeds.

This is KY though (not too far from Jerry's) , I am not certain if they have Hybrids of those Species of pine
or because I read the wood is softer (I know little about grafting so far -- pines soft and grafts well long term ?)

(Sadly Jerry Lehman past away Rest in Peace Jerry Lehman.)

------------------------------------- see link  about BLUE STAIN go to second page ------------------
Fungus from conifer has been associated with Blue stain Ceratocystic & leptographium has been to blame.
http://www.pawpaw.kysu.edu/PDF/postman03.pdf


 
 

Hi I found this Quince Inn Illinois At Mortun Arboretum (Lisle)
I never hear anything about it though

I may have seeds available

I DId look up After I started this post , and do not see it listed Anyone know where to find the true lemon quince

I swear this is it though tatsed just like lemonade
https://www.mortonarb.org/trees-plants/tree-plant-descriptions/common-flowering-quince

(note I have another web site that claims they have it In Michigan but they looked smaller
Will have to dig up the name of it , and email them.