Carmen Hass Avocado

[pagnr]

I am trying to track down Carmen Hass Avocado fruit in Australia.
Anybody have any good pics or tips on telling the fruit of this Hass var from other Hass types.
Any info on seed shape, skin colour, flesh colour or texture compared to other Hass.
Hass are in season over here now.

[spaugh]

It looks the same as regular hass.  I dont think its possible to tell the difference from looks alone.

[pagnr]

Thanks for the reply, I was hoping there was more to it, but as a suspected limb sport, not a seedling of Hass, I guess it is going to be closer than other newer Hass types. There are some reports that Carmen Hass is earlier, smaller and rounder than the usual Hass.
Can anybody growing it differentiate the fruit from this var ??

[spaugh]

im growing them both trust me they are pretty much identical.  they are supposed to be smaller and earlier but I have not really noticed that either.

All the other hass types like lamb, gwen, gem, and sir prize are easily distinguishable from regular hass.

[weiss613]

The only difference is they grow in a hot humid environment and other Haas do not.

[FV Fruit Freak]

Not sure that’s the only difference...I’ve heard they can produce two crops per year instead of one like Hass.

[Tommyng]

You hear reports of this and that but Brad is actually growing both and has given you first hand account of what the differences are. Hass can grow in Florida, I have one growing in my yard right now and it’s full of fruit.

[johnb51]

You hear reports of this and that but Brad is actually growing both and has given you first hand account of what the differences are. Hass can grow in Florida, I have one growing in my yard right now and it’s full of fruit.

It's your (non-grafted) seedling, though, right?  The one I got fruit from last year?

[FV Fruit Freak]

They also fruit fast from grafting, I grafted Carmen onto my hass last May and it’s already fruited and is currently holding a fruit.

[Groovyfruit]

I have a Carmen Hass that is doing reasonably in SoCal.

This was an interesting read:

http://www.avocadosource.com/wac7/section_14/illsleycarlos2011b.pdf

[johnb51]

I have a Carmen Hass that is doing reasonably in SoCal.

This was an interesting read:

http://www.avocadosource.com/wac7/section_14/illsleycarlos2011b.pdf

It's just too bad that the Mexican drug cartels have gotten involved in the avocado growing business in Mexico.  Also, native forests belonging to indigenous people are being illegally chopped down to make room for avocado groves belonging to outsiders.

[sc4001992]

Groovyfruit, nice report, thanks for the info.

[spaugh]

Not sure that’s the only difference...I’ve heard they can produce two crops per year instead of one like Hass.

That's supposed to be the difference

[weiss613]

Not sure that’s the only difference...I’ve heard they can produce two crops per year instead of one like Hass.

My 4 Haas Carmen’s in Miami which have fruited the last 4 years only fruit one time a year.

[FV Fruit Freak]

Bummer. How bout you Spaugh? Only one crop as well? Have we been cleverly/falsely marketed?

[spaugh]

My tree is too young to say if it will flower multiple times.  A few people on Facebook in Los Angeles area say theirs do. 

I have my doubts about this though, especially in CA climate.  Because avocado trees tend to load up a lot of fruit then carry those and alternate bear.  I have a hard time believing they can just keep on fruiting multiple times a year without any alternate bearing or other fruit loading problems.  Doesn't make sense to me.  Seems too good to be true.  Like every farmer would be top working their hass over to carmen if it just makes twice as much fruit. 

But its too soon to say, maybe in a a few years I will have a better feel.

[behlgarden]

CRFG Orange County had a sale of Cado bags of 20-22 cados for $20, when I picked up yesterday they only had Carmen. I will let you all know how it tastes. Have you tasted it Brad?

[spaugh]

yeah it taste very nice.  looks and taste just like regular hass.  which is way better when its homegrown and left on the trees for over a year. 

[weiss613]

In Miami’s environment Carmen’s deteriorate on the tree with fungus and can’t stay on the tree past mid January.