I'm use to eating the hard/crunchy non-astringent varieties. But the Matsumoto will hang on the tree until the fruit color looks translucent and soft. The ones I let get soft were very sweet but I eat most of my fruits hard. The Saijo is an astringent variety so it can be picked firm, then needs to be left on the counter to get soft before you eat it. It is very sweet, maybe the best one if you like soft persimmons. I just grafted some Saijo on my mult-grafted tree.