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Re: Search for the Best Tasting Mulberry ???
« Reply #75 on: April 28, 2022, 02:43:24 PM »
I'm still trying to positively ID the Frank's Yellow. It's a mulberry which if picked at full ripeness (yellow color) has some pina colada taste to it. It's a variety in common circulation that lost it's label, but from what I've read when reading about similar types, I've never seen others picked at yellow stage for a fair comparison.

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Re: Search for the Best Tasting Mulberry ???
« Reply #76 on: April 28, 2022, 02:48:51 PM »
I'm still trying to positively ID the Frank's Yellow. It's a mulberry which if picked at full ripeness (yellow color) has some pina colada taste to it. It's a variety in common circulation that lost it's label, but from what I've read when reading about similar types, I've never seen others picked at yellow stage for a fair comparison.

Can I buy or trade a couple sticks of that one?
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« Reply #77 on: April 28, 2022, 02:54:12 PM »
Kaz i think the RH we have is different from one or more other cuttings other people are growing.  Mine are not that big either but it seems to have the best flavor.  We all like it better than the other types.  I got the other red himalayan from Janet/Marta growing now but its still super small. 

I noticed the birds like mulberries and leave the peaches and cherries alone.  Its perfect, theres still more mulberry than we can use.

Brad, the tree I gave you, Himalayan DMOR9, is grafted on rootstock I got from Burnt Ridge nursery.  I grafted two for myself, one on the same nursery rootstock and one on a rooted Black Pakistan cutting.  The one on Black Pakistan is already 5 feet tall after just a year of growth, while the other one is still really small, so maybe graft onto a more vigorous tree.  I tried an underripe fallen fruit that had barely colored up and it was surprisingly really sweet. 

Iím trialing several other varieties Iím excited about, so still to be seen which is the best.  Iíve found that there are a lot of mislabeled varieties out there being sold by nurseries which also makes it challenging when you think you have a certain cultivar.

Janet

Thanks, Ill keep it in mind.  Its only been in the ground a month but it seems to be growing. 
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Re: Search for the Best Tasting Mulberry ???
« Reply #78 on: April 29, 2022, 04:05:09 PM »
Brad my RH is also very tasty. Itís supposed to be the same one that Martha has. Seems Fatter than Kazís RH

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Re: Search for the Best Tasting Mulberry ???
« Reply #79 on: April 29, 2022, 04:07:53 PM »
What do the folks on the Temperate Fruit subforum folks have to say about mulberries? Think we might be missing some useful input.

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Re: Search for the Best Tasting Mulberry ???
« Reply #80 on: April 29, 2022, 04:09:36 PM »
Brad my RH is also very tasty. Itís supposed to be the same one that Martha has. Seems Fatter than Kazís RH

Yeah, its a different version you have.  I have that one growing also but the tree is still tiny. 

My chickens are eating a lot of mulberry, the coop was full of purple chicken turds.  The wild birds are pooping purple everywhere too. 
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« Reply #81 on: April 29, 2022, 04:56:51 PM »
Brad my RH is also very tasty. Itís supposed to be the same one that Martha has. Seems Fatter than Kazís RH

Yeah, its a different version you have.  I have that one growing also but the tree is still tiny. 

My chickens are eating a lot of mulberry, the coop was full of purple chicken turds.  The wild birds are pooping purple everywhere too.

Yeah the birds are hammering my mulberries right now. I basically get none now, just for the birds. Bummer. The hazards of living in the middle of a national forest I guess!

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Re: Search for the Best Tasting Mulberry ???
« Reply #82 on: April 30, 2022, 03:32:38 AM »
Kaz, your thai dwarf is crazy productive!  My Cooke's pakistan is loaded this year too.
Halfway through the season and it still looks loaded.  The birds always eat all the ripe berries before me.



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Re: Search for the Best Tasting Mulberry ???
« Reply #83 on: April 30, 2022, 03:55:12 AM »
Here's what mulberries I've grown in Phoenix.

Cooke's Pakistan - my favorite, big sweet flavorful and productive.
Thai Dwarf - very productive and large berries, but very bland.
Australian Green - much smaller berries than pakistan and not as flavorful, just sweet.
Tice - flavorful good size berries, but too tart for me. makes me want to take a Tums.  Not very productive.
Tehama - all male flowers when tree is small, but starting to finally produce a few female catkin flowers after 5 years in ground.
Maui - nice sweet medium size berries. Got frost damaged from breaking dormancy too early, earlier than Thai Dwarf or Shangri La.  I'm borderline 9a/9b.
Jan's Best Everbearing - it really is everbearing, productive small/medium size sweet berries.

I grafted Sangue e Latte from Kaz on a mulberry I bought from a nursery. 
Was going to plant it until I pull it out of the pot and saw nematodes in the roots. 
Now I have to graft it again on a clean rootstock.
« Last Edit: May 04, 2022, 02:51:51 AM by snowjunky »

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Re: Search for the Best Tasting Mulberry ???
« Reply #84 on: May 03, 2022, 09:12:11 PM »
My World's Best has gone absolutely bananas with fruit, so much so that I had to stake it as it started leaning heavily. It's only two years old too.

The first round of ripe berries were really blah. Either a hint of acid, or just no flavor at all.

Second round were better, but still fairly blah.

Third round (currently where it's at now) is quite a bit better. Ripe berries are sweeter, and ones that are just under-ripe with a little red on them give you both tart and sweet.

I did an experiment by feeding with Bembe from Foxfarm, which is supposed to improve the flavor of fruiting plants. Not sure if it made a difference, but considering how consistently bland WBM is, I think it helped.
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Re: Search for the Best Tasting Mulberry ???
« Reply #85 on: May 04, 2022, 12:13:13 AM »
Fygee, you will find that the Black Pakistan and Shangri La has much more flavor, sweet (Black Pakistan), and sweet & tart (Shangri La). But to me the Australian Green/White Pakistan is the sweetest mulberry so far.

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Re: Search for the Best Tasting Mulberry ???
« Reply #86 on: May 13, 2022, 12:55:39 PM »
Our mulberries seem to be behind others in California.  Got to taste a few side by side this week of the fruit grown at our farm in Fallbrook.  Red Himalyan DMOR9 was probably the sweetest, flavor seemed similar to Black Pakistan but fruit was skinnier, less juicy.  Dwarf everbearing was very bland with small fruits, I'm going to remove the plant.  Thai dwarf was my husband's favorite, and we all thought it was good.  Earlier fruit was not as sweet, but this current crop is sweet and acid and tastes the most like a blackberry and the fruits are firm.  I love this plant.  Planted as a small 1 gallon rooted cutting last year and already about 8 feet tall and producing an abundant crop.  Looks like buds are forming already for another round.  Not sure why others in SoCal think it is bland, I'm going to start a lot more plants at the farm so there's plenty for the birds and us. The Thai Dwarf at my home garden in Laguna Beach also gets sweet even without the warm temps, our highs have only been in the 60's most of the spring.  Only got a couple Sahararanpur that were ripe, most are still green, it was very sweet with different flavor than the DMOR9.  I have read that Saharanpur, White Pakistan, and Australian green are the same, but the leaves on my White Pakistan are definitely different than the Sahararanpur.  It hasn't fruited yet to compare the fruits.  Still have several more varieties I'm trialing.  Noir de Spain has only started to leaf out a couple of weeks ago.  Buds on the Noir de Spain are noticeably different looking than all the other mulberries I grow.  Didn't take any pics.

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Re: Search for the Best Tasting Mulberry ???
« Reply #87 on: May 13, 2022, 02:29:52 PM »
Our mulberries seem to be behind others in California.  Got to taste a few side by side this week of the fruit grown at our farm in Fallbrook.  Red Himalyan DMOR9 was probably the sweetest, flavor seemed similar to Black Pakistan but fruit was skinnier, less juicy.  Dwarf everbearing was very bland with small fruits, I'm going to remove the plant.  Thai dwarf was my husband's favorite, and we all thought it was good.  Earlier fruit was not as sweet, but this current crop is sweet and acid and tastes the most like a blackberry and the fruits are firm.  I love this plant.  Planted as a small 1 gallon rooted cutting last year and already about 8 feet tall and producing an abundant crop.  Looks like buds are forming already for another round.  Not sure why others in SoCal think it is bland, I'm going to start a lot more plants at the farm so there's plenty for the birds and us. The Thai Dwarf at my home garden in Laguna Beach also gets sweet even without the warm temps, our highs have only been in the 60's most of the spring.  Only got a couple Sahararanpur that were ripe, most are still green, it was very sweet with different flavor than the DMOR9.  I have read that Saharanpur, White Pakistan, and Australian green are the same, but the leaves on my White Pakistan are definitely different than the Sahararanpur.  It hasn't fruited yet to compare the fruits.  Still have several more varieties I'm trialing.  Noir de Spain has only started to leaf out a couple of weeks ago.  Buds on the Noir de Spain are noticeably different looking than all the other mulberries I grow.  Didn't take any pics.

Janet

Mine are really far behind others. I was eating handfuls of perfect sweet pakistani off my gf's family tree which I planted last year. Mine are still totally green on pak/himalayan. I had a King White batch earlier in the season and the tree is loaded but has stayed green for weeks. We need the heat and luckily it has finally arrived today and into the next week! Now hopefully the birds and rats don't get them...
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Re: Search for the Best Tasting Mulberry ???
« Reply #88 on: Today at 03:33:14 PM »
Thai dwarf are great this year. Extremely sweet, with a nice floral flavor. My mom tried one last night, and she was blown away by the flavor. I've picked many of them too early, and don't like them underripe. I've heard they have a nice tartness underripe, but they're just bland to me. But when the stems turn a bit brown they're excellent. That's after the fruit have been fully black for somewhere around 5-7 days. I'm surprised at all the negative reviews they get.

White shatoot is fruiting for the first time, after rooting a cutting in February 2019. The fruits are short and round, not elongated. They aren't good underripe, but if you let them turn from green to white to pinkish brown, a little shriveled, they're nice and sweet, with a melon flavor. The sweetness gives way to an aftertaste I'd liken to melon rind, which isn't great. The fruits will probably improve in the coming years, but thai dwarf is the clear winner so far.

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« Reply #89 on: Today at 07:34:12 PM »
Nate, I think the Thai Dwarf mulberry will have different taste depending on your location. My Thai Dwarf trees get tons of fruits but they do not have much taste. The last batch of fruits for the season seems to have a little improved taste, some sweet/tart flavor. I did give a lot of fruits to neighbors and other people who walk by the house and they say it tastes good but when I compare the tastes to my other mulberry fruits, the Thai Dwarf is below average in taste.

Sounds to me your white shatoot may not be the correct variety. I have all the long white fruit varieties growing on the same tree (shatoot, australian green, white pakistan, saharanpur local) and none of them have short fruits. Even a one year old graft will have the long white fruits. Also, the white shatoot is really hard to root so it's interesting that you were able to get yours to root.

If you need the real white pakistan/white shatoot then send me a PM message and I will give you a good deal on the cuttings and throw in a few Shangri La if you don't have it.

 

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