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looking for interesting varieties
« on: May 07, 2022, 05:42:33 PM »
hello everyone, I'm a beginner citrus grower, my name is Daniel, I'm 16 years old, I live in Russia, I want to collect a collection of interesting varieties, can anyone share the branches for vaccinations?🥰

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Re: looking for interesting varieties
« Reply #1 on: May 07, 2022, 08:49:08 PM »
What do you use for grafting rootstocks ? Are they readily available ?
(Perhaps you mistranslated Propagation to Vaccination) ??
My auto correct always changes nucellar to nuclear...It just did it now too...

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Re: looking for interesting varieties
« Reply #2 on: May 07, 2022, 09:53:33 PM »
What do you use for grafting rootstocks ? Are they readily available ?
(Perhaps you mistranslated Propagation to Vaccination) ??
My auto correct always changes nucellar to nuclear...It just did it now too...
When I use google translate on citrusforum.org.ua "прививок" (grafting) is always translated as vaccination. So I assume that Daniil is also using google translate.
« Last Edit: May 11, 2022, 08:41:26 AM by hornad »

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Re: looking for interesting varieties
« Reply #3 on: May 07, 2022, 11:46:30 PM »
hello everyone, I'm a beginner citrus grower, my name is Daniel, I'm 16 years old, I live in Russia, I want to collect a collection of interesting varieties, can anyone share the branches for vaccinations?🥰
as a rootstock, I use pomelo or lemon seedlings, they are the most affordable for us

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Re: looking for interesting varieties
« Reply #4 on: May 08, 2022, 02:38:57 AM »
"When I use google translate on citrusforum.org.ua "прививок" (grafting) is always translated as vaccination. So I assume that pagnr is also using google translate."

Yes it does seem to translate as Vaccination, as you say.
I am sure everybody got what was meant when Danil said, "can anyone share the branches for vaccinations?"
I wasn't trying to be pedantic about it, just thought It's not the usual use of the word in English, for the procedures with Citrus.

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« Reply #5 on: May 08, 2022, 03:10:03 AM »
Using Google translate for German-English translations results in quite novel terminology. "Base" for rootstock, "refinement" for grafting. Horticultural terms may not be in the programmers' familiar vocabulary.
« Last Edit: May 08, 2022, 05:27:19 AM by kumin »

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Re: looking for interesting varieties
« Reply #6 on: May 08, 2022, 04:09:59 AM »
Using Google translate for German-English translations results in quite novel terminology. "Base" for rootstock, "refinement" for grafting. Horticulture terms may not be the programmers' familiar vocabulary.

Google translator is very bad for sure. The best translator I know of is this one: https://www.deepl.com/translator

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Re: looking for interesting varieties
« Reply #7 on: May 11, 2022, 01:55:21 AM »
I have seen French speakers ask for rustic citrus, since rustique is the word they use for coldhardy.
And in German, the word for grafting is the same as for refining (veredeln). Nothing to be pedantic about, of course, but I find it amusing sometimes :).

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Re: looking for interesting varieties
« Reply #8 on: May 11, 2022, 04:06:05 AM »
hello everyone, I'm a beginner citrus grower, my name is Daniel, I'm 16 years old, I live in Russia, I want to collect a collection of interesting varieties, can anyone share the branches for vaccinations?🥰
Hello Daniil,
It will be extremely difficult for you to get this stuff from abroad especially under this terrible  and barbaric war circumstances.
 
Best regards,
                       Ilya

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Re: looking for interesting varieties
« Reply #9 on: May 11, 2022, 11:08:49 AM »
hello everyone, I'm a beginner citrus grower, my name is Daniel, I'm 16 years old, I live in Russia, I want to collect a collection of interesting varieties, can anyone share the branches for vaccinations?🥰
Hello Daniil,
It will be extremely difficult for you to get this stuff from abroad especially under this terrible  and barbaric war circumstances.
 
Yes it will be hard to get now, but I was getting before this whole situation I was already getting from South Korea microcitrus

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Re: looking for interesting varieties
« Reply #10 on: May 11, 2022, 11:51:45 AM »
I stand with Ukraine

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Re: looking for interesting varieties
« Reply #11 on: May 11, 2022, 02:05:56 PM »
Importing interesting varieties will be difficult for quite some time to come.  However, you might be able to make some of your own.

https://www.lowtechmagazine.com/2020/04/fruit-trenches-cultivating-subtropical-plants-in-freezing-temperatures.html

There are multiple interesting things about that article, especially in terms of Russian/Soviet history.  One of the most important in my view is the bit about selecting for especially cold-hardy varieties of mandarins.  It's something that's hard to do with nucellar strains, but merely requires patience and practice with zygotic strains.

Imagine developing a variety of citrus that can grow vigorously on its own roots in your local soil and tolerate your local climate with relative ease.

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« Reply #12 on: May 11, 2022, 06:23:37 PM »
Alternatively, there is a range of Citrus types that are reasonably fast to fruit when grown from seed.
Also being nucellar/polyembryonic they are highly true to type.

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Re: looking for interesting varieties
« Reply #13 on: May 11, 2022, 09:49:13 PM »
I too stand with Ukraine. Glory to Ukraine!

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Re: looking for interesting varieties
« Reply #14 on: May 12, 2022, 01:34:46 AM »
Hello Daniel, i think it is a good thing to collect citrus. But as tge others said at the moment it will be difficult to share varieties. I also strictly deny this barbaric war where a lot of ukrainian people and also russian soldiers have to die for nothing and the ukrainian cities get destroyed for nothing.
But for your problem perhaps you could try to get citrus varieties from Crimea ? Best regards Frank

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« Reply #15 on: May 12, 2022, 04:59:39 AM »
Hello Daniel, i think it is a good thing to collect citrus. But as tge others said at the moment it will be difficult to share varieties. I also strictly deny this barbaric war where a lot of ukrainian people and also russian soldiers have to die for nothing and the ukrainian cities get destroyed for nothing.
But for your problem perhaps you could try to get citrus varieties from Crimea ? Best regards Frank

I already got those varieties that we have in Russia, now I am hunting for key lime and some other varieties from CCPP, I tried to register on their website, but it did not work, and I like these varieties very much, there are few other varieties from there, for example Valentino, boukhobza, cocktail, Powell summer navel, these varieties have already been in Russia

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Re: looking for interesting varieties
« Reply #16 on: May 12, 2022, 07:27:46 AM »
I don't think soapboxing a 16 year old on a citrus forum is going to stop a war.
Most of us are also American and its not like our nation hasn't gotten involved in longterm pointless conflicts.

Anyways: I can not forsee any new citrus going to Russia anytime to soon, many especially established vendors will be turned off by the war and due to HLB quarantines its already hard for many nations to mail citrus around. Your best bet might be trying Asian vendors at the moment.
« Last Edit: May 12, 2022, 07:39:20 AM by Pandan »

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Re: looking for interesting varieties
« Reply #17 on: May 12, 2022, 02:45:28 PM »
Danil, what is your climate zone?

It sounds like you are going to grow plants indoors as key lime is very cold sensitive.

A Russian site
http://forum.homecitrus.ru/topic/18215-tcitrusovye-v-otkrytom-grunte-v-polusubtropika/


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« Reply #18 on: May 12, 2022, 03:03:32 PM »
Danil, what is your climate zone?

It sounds like you are going to grow plants indoors as key lime is very cold sensitive.

A Russian site
http://forum.homecitrus.ru/topic/18215-tcitrusovye-v-otkrytom-grunte-v-polusubtropika/


I'm from the southern urals, yes I grow in pots in the house, but we have someone who builds green houses, here recently did a pomelo Valentino grafting



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Re: looking for interesting varieties
« Reply #19 on: May 12, 2022, 05:38:56 PM »
"I don't think soapboxing a 16 year old on a citrus forum is going to stop a war."


I couldn't agree more, and was puzzling on how to make the same point, apart from reporting to moderator.
This Forum has brought together a diverse group of people, despite some obvious national, political, religious and cultural differences.
That is something worth maintaining, with the way the world seems to be heading right now.

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Re: looking for interesting varieties
« Reply #20 on: May 13, 2022, 04:04:41 PM »
I don't understand why the war was even brought up, aside from noting that it will probably make importing much more difficult.

I can see why a professional orchardist would desire very uniform plants that are exactly true-to-type, but a home grower can afford to have something a little more unique.  And you can actually perform breeding experiments with zygotic strains, something moderately-to-extremely difficult with nucellar ones.

 

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