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Golden Queen Mango?
« on: April 03, 2012, 12:18:00 AM »
Is the Golden Queen a synonym for the Ivory mango? It looks similar

http://www.sulit.com.ph/index.php/view+classifieds/id/130838/Exotic+Grafted+Golden+Queen+Mango
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Re: Golden Queen Mango?
« Reply #1 on: April 03, 2012, 12:22:24 AM »
Is the Golden Queen a synonym for the Ivory mango? It looks similar

http://www.sulit.com.ph/index.php/view+classifieds/id/130838/Exotic+Grafted+Golden+Queen+Mango
Isn't the mango in that picture a little big  for an Ivory ?
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Re: Golden Queen Mango?
« Reply #2 on: April 03, 2012, 12:35:19 AM »
Forgive my ignorance but isn't Ivory a Thai mango?  Golden Queen (jin huang) mango is Taiwanese.
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Re: Golden Queen Mango?
« Reply #3 on: April 03, 2012, 12:51:49 AM »
Forgive my ignorance but isn't Ivory a Thai mango?  Golden Queen (jin huang) mango is Taiwanese.
Now isn't it fitting the global moderator points out that Thailand and Taiwan are not the same.  ;D ;) :P
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Re: Golden Queen Mango?
« Reply #4 on: April 03, 2012, 06:52:53 AM »
Here is pic of an ivory from last years Fairchild mango festival, as you can see the ivory is a smaller size mango. My tasting notes were no sour taste, fiberless, creamy with hint of vanila. Haven't tasted any mango like it! Is it your plan to still graft more trees up Jeff? Keep me posted if you decide...

From looking at that sellers picture that mango does not look like this ivory mango but that sellers pics are small.


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Re: Golden Queen Mango?
« Reply #5 on: April 05, 2012, 12:09:51 PM »
Jeff - now that I'm re-reading this post, my apology if I came off sounding like a jerk  ;D

I've been curious about this mango for some time now.  Also a bit curious as to why, perhaps marketing value, they changed the name from Jin Huang to Golden Queen mango.  If so, I would hate to see someone's hard work becoming someone else's cash cow. Of course I'm assuming all this, for all I know, they could have purchased renaming right from the original breeder himself, or it's also called Golden Queen in Taiwan?  If anyone has further knowledge on this, I would love to hear what you have to say.
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Re: Golden Queen Mango?
« Reply #6 on: April 05, 2012, 03:49:01 PM »
:-) No, I didn't take it that way. Thanks for saying though. After searching the net a little, I pretty much figured out that the golden queen is most likely not ivory. It sounds like a really interesting mango though. I guess it's a seedling of the nam doc mai. The trick is finding budwood for this baby.

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Jeff - now that I'm re-reading this post, my apology if I came off sounding like a jerk  ;D

I've been curious about this mango for some time now.  Also a bit curious as to why, perhaps marketing value, they changed the name from Jin Huang to Golden Queen mango.  If so, I would hate to see someone's hard work becoming someone else's cash cow. Of course I'm assuming all this, for all I know, they could have purchased renaming right from the original breeder himself, or it's also called Golden Queen in Taiwan?  If anyone has further knowledge on this, I would love to hear what you have to say.
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Re: Golden Queen Mango?
« Reply #7 on: April 05, 2012, 04:03:02 PM »
...I guess it's a seedling of the nam doc mai. The trick is finding budwood for this baby.

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That's what I'd gathered too, hence my immediate connection to Xoi Tượng, came to find out this Jin Huang mango was imported in 1997 from Taiwan so there went that assumption. 

I'm sure someone in HI has this mango, Oscar just has to do some digging for us  ;D
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Re: Golden Queen Mango?
« Reply #8 on: April 05, 2012, 04:04:28 PM »
i know a guy with a tree, but he doesn't give out budwood...sorry for posting this...I guess it's no help. :(
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Re: Golden Queen Mango?
« Reply #9 on: April 05, 2012, 04:08:24 PM »
i know a guy with a tree, but he doesn't give out budwood...sorry for posting this...I guess it's no help. :(
Google earth should work, what's his address?  ;D ;D ;D
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Re: Golden Queen Mango?
« Reply #10 on: April 05, 2012, 04:48:54 PM »
If oscar has budwood, then jeff wants to buy some :-).

...I guess it's a seedling of the nam doc mai. The trick is finding budwood for this baby.

Jeff
That's what I'd gathered too, hence my immediate connection to Xoi Tượng, came to find out this Jin Huang mango was imported in 1997 from Taiwan so there went that assumption. 

I'm sure someone in HI has this mango, Oscar just has to do some digging for us  ;D
Jeff  :-)

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Re: Golden Queen Mango?
« Reply #11 on: August 20, 2012, 06:13:48 PM »
Have you been able to find a source for the Golden Queen ( Jin Huang ) or any other information?  sounds like an interesting variety.
« Last Edit: September 10, 2012, 11:41:53 AM by Tropicdude »
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Re: Golden Queen Mango?
« Reply #12 on: August 20, 2012, 11:17:34 PM »
Hi everyone,
I'm positive that the Golden Queen of Taiwan is not the Ivory of Thailand. I have eaten the Golden Queen in Thailand many times and it is never as slim/narrow as an Ivory. Funny thing when fruits are imported to other countries their original/names names are usually lost. Not always, though >> Nam Doc Mai, etc.

The Ivory is probably not called "Ivory" in Thailand (at least as far as I have seen). Mangoes in Thailand have Thai names, so I'm pretty sure I've eaten an Ivory over the course of a year there (mango binge for the entire time!) but I just didn't know it.

The Golden Queen on the other hand, is labeled as "Taiwan mango" in upscale Paragon-International Market, in Bangkok. The fruit tag on the mangoes have "Golden Queen" written on them in impossibly small letters. The fruit tree nurseries in Chatuchak have the Taiwan mango labeled as "Kim Hong, Jing Hwong, Jin Hwang" probably because the Thai language is phonetical, with complex tones, and with an even more complex alphabet-- which does not transfer over to English easily. Adding to the confusion, the Taiwanese keep improving their strains of Golden Queen mangoes via annual mango competitions, and have read of several improved strains grown locally in Taiwan. This is all, of course, IMHO and experience.

I do have two seedlings of the Golden Queen BUT sorry to report that they are most certainly monoembryonic in every instance I have seen (around 12 seedlings total grown in Thailand) and under my local conditions, the seedlings struggle a bit. Low/moderate anthracnose resistance but very vigorous. Mine were both stunted severely by grubs recently. Heaven weeps.... Now I am trying to initiate multi-rootstock to increase vigor... I just started with them, so we will see what I have in a few years... or maybe 20?

Greenthumb on eBay sells Golden Queen (or something very very similar) from time to time... Taiwan mango...Kim Hong.. Jin Hwang...Jin Hwong... who knows what is being sold by who anymore? I kid..LOL
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Re: Golden Queen Mango?
« Reply #13 on: August 21, 2012, 01:09:38 AM »
If oscar has budwood, then jeff wants to buy some :-).

...I guess it's a seedling of the nam doc mai. The trick is finding budwood for this baby.

Jeff
That's what I'd gathered too, hence my immediate connection to Xoi Tượng, came to find out this Jin Huang mango was imported in 1997 from Taiwan so there went that assumption. 

I'm sure someone in HI has this mango, Oscar just has to do some digging for us  ;D

Sorry don't have it, never heard of it.
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Re: Golden Queen Mango?
« Reply #14 on: August 21, 2012, 01:56:25 AM »
Bernie Dixon is the only source I'm aware of, have only seen him logged on twice. Check with him via email on getting scions, perhaps it's possible.
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Re: Golden Queen Mango?
« Reply #15 on: August 21, 2012, 03:18:47 PM »
Here is pic of an ivory from last years Fairchild mango festival, as you can see the ivory is a smaller size mango. My tasting notes were no sour taste, fiberless, creamy with hint of vanila. Haven't tasted any mango like it! Is it your plan to still graft more trees up Jeff? Keep me posted if you decide...

From looking at that sellers picture that mango does not look like this ivory mango but that sellers pics are small.


_JoeP450

Ivory is an amazing mango...super creamy you could eat it with a spoon. I  tasted a hint of guava what an unusual tasting mango!

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« Reply #16 on: August 21, 2012, 03:27:29 PM »
I ended up buying a golden queen tree from the guy on ebay. The tree was in really bad shape and eventually died. However, I was quick enough to harvest budwood from the dying tree and now have a couple tiny grafted trees :-).

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I'm positive that the Golden Queen of Taiwan is not the Ivory of Thailand. I have eaten the Golden Queen in Thailand many times and it is never as slim/narrow as an Ivory. Funny thing when fruits are imported to other countries their original/names names are usually lost. Not always, though >> Nam Doc Mai, etc.

The Ivory is probably not called "Ivory" in Thailand (at least as far as I have seen). Mangoes in Thailand have Thai names, so I'm pretty sure I've eaten an Ivory over the course of a year there (mango binge for the entire time!) but I just didn't know it.

The Golden Queen on the other hand, is labeled as "Taiwan mango" in upscale Paragon-International Market, in Bangkok. The fruit tag on the mangoes have "Golden Queen" written on them in impossibly small letters. The fruit tree nurseries in Chatuchak have the Taiwan mango labeled as "Kim Hong, Jing Hwong, Jin Hwang" probably because the Thai language is phonetical, with complex tones, and with an even more complex alphabet-- which does not transfer over to English easily. Adding to the confusion, the Taiwanese keep improving their strains of Golden Queen mangoes via annual mango competitions, and have read of several improved strains grown locally in Taiwan. This is all, of course, IMHO and experience.

I do have two seedlings of the Golden Queen BUT sorry to report that they are most certainly monoembryonic in every instance I have seen (around 12 seedlings total grown in Thailand) and under my local conditions, the seedlings struggle a bit. Low/moderate anthracnose resistance but very vigorous. Mine were both stunted severely by grubs recently. Heaven weeps.... Now I am trying to initiate multi-rootstock to increase vigor... I just started with them, so we will see what I have in a few years... or maybe 20?

Greenthumb on eBay sells Golden Queen (or something very very similar) from time to time... Taiwan mango...Kim Hong.. Jin Hwang...Jin Hwong... who knows what is being sold by who anymore? I kid..LOL
Jeff  :-)

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Re: Golden Queen Mango?
« Reply #17 on: August 21, 2012, 03:32:27 PM »
Nicely done, Jeff.
Here's to you not getting the Patrick treatment from this guy ;D cheers!
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« Reply #18 on: August 21, 2012, 05:08:34 PM »
Cool Jeff, now i know where i will be able to get one of these from when the time comes. 

Thank the gods for the wonderful collectors. ;D
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« Reply #19 on: August 21, 2012, 07:10:07 PM »
:-) whether or not it's really golden queen (and not a maha chanot) is still an open question.

Nicely done, Jeff.
Here's to you not getting the Patrick treatment from this guy ;D cheers!
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« Reply #20 on: August 22, 2012, 08:06:02 AM »
I ended up buying a golden queen tree from the guy on ebay. The tree was in really bad shape and eventually died. However, I was quick enough to harvest budwood from the dying tree and now have a couple tiny grafted trees :-).

Hi everyone,
I'm positive that the Golden Queen of Taiwan is not the Ivory of Thailand. I have eaten the Golden Queen in Thailand many times and it is never as slim/narrow as an Ivory. Funny thing when fruits are imported to other countries their original/names names are usually lost. Not always, though >> Nam Doc Mai, etc.

The Ivory is probably not called "Ivory" in Thailand (at least as far as I have seen). Mangoes in Thailand have Thai names, so I'm pretty sure I've eaten an Ivory over the course of a year there (mango binge for the entire time!) but I just didn't know it.

The Golden Queen on the other hand, is labeled as "Taiwan mango" in upscale Paragon-International Market, in Bangkok. The fruit tag on the mangoes have "Golden Queen" written on them in impossibly small letters. The fruit tree nurseries in Chatuchak have the Taiwan mango labeled as "Kim Hong, Jing Hwong, Jin Hwang" probably because the Thai language is phonetical, with complex tones, and with an even more complex alphabet-- which does not transfer over to English easily. Adding to the confusion, the Taiwanese keep improving their strains of Golden Queen mangoes via annual mango competitions, and have read of several improved strains grown locally in Taiwan. This is all, of course, IMHO and experience.

I do have two seedlings of the Golden Queen BUT sorry to report that they are most certainly monoembryonic in every instance I have seen (around 12 seedlings total grown in Thailand) and under my local conditions, the seedlings struggle a bit. Low/moderate anthracnose resistance but very vigorous. Mine were both stunted severely by grubs recently. Heaven weeps.... Now I am trying to initiate multi-rootstock to increase vigor... I just started with them, so we will see what I have in a few years... or maybe 20?

Greenthumb on eBay sells Golden Queen (or something very very similar) from time to time... Taiwan mango...Kim Hong.. Jin Hwang...Jin Hwong... who knows what is being sold by who anymore? I kid..LOL

Clever, clever CookieMonster!!  What a smart guy! That's how you recover your costs for sure! Buy one tree and get several more in the process. LOL! I didn't have the guts to buy from him after my shipment was tied up at the local customs office... Several trees died waiting to be released, with a single seedless guava surviving. Such an expensive mistake and initial learning experience for me... Wish I had done what you did instead.
So... apparently the "Golden Queen" has arrived in the U.S..... eBay guy seems to be somewhat truthful about his plants if that Maha someone ordered from him turns out to be just that... I'm still waiting for my seedless guava to fruit, then I will see for myself if he is really truthful.
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« Reply #21 on: September 10, 2012, 03:28:47 AM »
is the mistery of golden queen mango unsolved yet? because there new member named Bern from piliphine who said has the plant and even offer some budwood. maybe he know this golden queen true ID?
i have my own story about it :
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« Last Edit: September 10, 2012, 03:31:05 AM by Picko Jack »

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Re: Golden Queen Mango?
« Reply #22 on: September 10, 2012, 04:20:08 AM »
It sure looks like one of the elephant tusk thai types alright and several of these types have been renamed in other SE Asian countries.My thai contact said it is a common and good thai mango.The name ivory may indicate an elephant tusk origin.

I also cleared another question I had about sam ru du and choc anon if they are the same thing.They are not, choc anon is not considered high quality being like a poor okrung.It does often fruit out of season.Sam ru du by contrast is a highly valued village mango and is a lovely tasting type that crops three times during the year.There are similarities in appearance.

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« Reply #23 on: September 10, 2012, 11:44:02 AM »
is the mistery of golden queen mango unsolved yet? because there new member named Bern from piliphine who said has the plant and even offer some budwood. maybe he know this golden queen true ID?
i have my own story about it :
tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=221.msg36944#msg36944

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Re: Golden Queen Mango?
« Reply #24 on: November 14, 2012, 06:23:31 PM »
Making another trip State side, in a few weeks, and just checking to see if there are any sources for this mango in Fla.  I know my chances are slim but what the heck, gotta keep on trying.
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