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Citrus General Discussion / Re: Honey Pomelo seedlings
« on: February 02, 2023, 02:06:05 PM »
Those bilobed leaves look the same as the wild orange I found. It is not the best tasting but decent to eat with only a hint of poncirus in the fruit but the plant seems disease free and immune to greening. The pummello above could have cross pollinated with root stock. if it was something like swingle and only 1/4 poncirus it might be decent to eat but not great like the orange I found.

Citrus General Discussion / Re: Honey Pomelo seedlings
« on: January 29, 2023, 04:28:22 PM »
If it's a seedless variety with seeds most likely it is cross pollinated with something.

Citrus General Discussion / Re: Lime graft to myer lemon?
« on: January 27, 2023, 08:22:05 PM »
I don't think it's citron.

3/4 lemon 1/8 grapefruit (or less likely pommelo), 1/8 tangerine seems consistent with the flavor, appearance etc.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: 10b - best snacking fruits for kids
« on: January 24, 2023, 07:26:19 PM »
Standard sugar cane will grow wild here and tolerate the sandy or alkaline soil. Compost and fertilizer will let it grow faster. The sand doesn't hold water so it would be dry in dry season though.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: 10b - best snacking fruits for kids
« on: January 23, 2023, 08:01:05 PM »
Zone 10? Red banana though box it in somehow so it can't spread too much (like now around it, put on side of house or some barrier). Slowly over time they spread and eventually every where years later. I never saw honey suckle in Florida.

Florida is the drug smuggling capital of the USA. Most people living here aren't aware. There's a lot of smuggling via boat and plane and murders related to it and a high rate of drug usage. But in terms of getting your car broken into or mugged it's rare. It's more high level crime where usually you won't notice. I really don't care much about victimless crimes. Though the murder rate is swept under the rug. There's even been a number of serial killers besides the gang stuff.

Few people here know this is outlaw motorcycle club territory along with new York mob retired here along with new York cops.

They never bother me. It's the welfare junkies and low iq teenagers that vandalize property and steal stuff. Cincinnati is an epidemic of car break ins and muggings. That's what I mean by real ghetto. Getting mugged, getting your car broken into, people who don't cut their grass and throw trash on the lawn. There's not a lot of places like that in south Florida. Fort Myers is the only area I know of with a noticable amount of ghetto.

Temperate Fruit Discussion / Re: Heritage raspberry zone 9?
« on: January 22, 2023, 05:23:49 PM »
I don't know about the heritage variety. We had raspberries and blackberries in Florida. Raspberry does worse than blackberry and some varieties are more heat tolerant than others but generally speaking they survive heat and will even produce berries but they grow better in cooler climates. I doubt that it would die.

There's no ghetto in port Charlotte. They refuse to build affordable housing and tear down trailer parks and bann new ones. The so called ghetto here is the older part of town with freshly painted houses manicured lawns where a house can be found for $180,000 instead of $300,000. There's a lot of drugs in the area but not any serious crime but that describes most of the country maybe slightly more drugs than usual.

Sarasota is the same even the so called ghetto is nice and expensive there's not any real ghetto. Fort Myersband arcadia do have actual dumpy areas and a small section of punta Gorda is affordable housing which is still expensive but a bit dumpy due to the people. As far as I know Naples is the same there isn't any real ghetto. It's just a poorer part of town. Us low wages workers have to live somewhere and the problem is a lack of affordable housing. What little there is demand far outstrips supply and the county is trying to tear down those areas too.

What happens is we just have a massive homeless population due to lack of affordable housing and a worker shortage but at least crime is relatively low other than drugs.

Citrus General Discussion / Re: Does this tree have citrus greening?
« on: January 22, 2023, 02:34:10 PM »
Florida is Jurassic Park type of insect swarms but I have seldom seen them on citrus other than that one caterpillar that feeds on citrus which you can easily kill by hand. Citrus greening is the only real issue which there is no cure other than the netting they invented. Sometimes black mildew on leaves from humidity which doesn't harm the plant other than blocking sunlight needs cleaned off. I did get tiny slugs eating sap in my container citrus up north. The ants would probably kill them in Florida.

Citrus is super easy to grow everyone is over complicating it.

There's only one city on the southeast coast Miami. The higher end areas of Miami might be higher but Naples doesn't have ghettos. Everyone I knew who lived in Naples are millionaires with properties over a million. Other than Naples in the west being expensive and Jacksonville in the east being relatively cheap the east coast does cost more. That mostly is because east coast of USA went to that side of Florida and the Midwest moved to the west coast. But now we have so many new yorkers and seattle and California people moving to the west coast driving up prices. It's pricing out people from Ohio, Michigan etc who used to move here.

Citrus General Discussion / Re: Does this tree have citrus greening?
« on: January 21, 2023, 04:29:27 PM »
In terms of ordering a box of honeybells or citrus it was always high but like $25 for a box of 15 or 20. Now it's $100. It's outrageous. Same with road side oranges. Used to be cheap as dirt now super high if you can find them. Usually they are passing California oranges off on the side of the road. Maybe $12 wholesale. If you have a good tree you can make some money selling them mail order.

The Florida fruits are just super juicy compared to everywhere else. Second best is Brazil. Cali and Texas are dry fruits though people on here before said how good California oranges are. People pay for Florida oranges because they are the best. Well used to be before greening.

But money is an issue because Florida land is going up. They sell their land which becomes houses. Or switching to peaches. There's less groves than there used to be but still a lot. The answer are new citrus breeds that are disease resistant and have good fruit.

It has warmed up in Florida I think more to development (pavement, hot roofs etc) than global warming but maybe both. people forget Florida is subtropical not tropical unless in the keys or southern tip. Miami is basically tropical. Because of the warming people are now growing mangoes in Charlotte county but we're still in south Florida.

Personally I don't care for tropical weather.

Just buy scrub jay land and grow your garden on it if you are willing to travel to harvest it.

I'm no millionaire, dont insult me 😆 🤣 😂 I sweat like 6-600 shirts a day in the summer for these bill/taxes.

You already own your property. Buying it now you have to be rich.

Your best bet would be to buy an empty lot that is "scrub jay". It's going to be dirt cheap, because you can't build on it without paying through the nose. The property must be kept wilderness to preserve the bird. You could still plant a garden on it so long as you left it in a relatively wild state. I don't think you are supposed to chop down any large oaks. Theoretically it should stay pretty desolate as scrub land is mostly sand dunes and grass with a few trees on it. The bird needs the open grassy area.

You could camp on the land and plant some mango trees or whatever it is you want. I bought a lot online trying to do this and it had no road, just dirt trails and the neighbor attacking me and chasing me off my own property (which he did to everyone who bought property there) and the police wouldn't help me. So beware of those type of scams too.

I just feel it isn't worth the huge expense. You can just grow stuff in pots or use a greenhouse. If you buy land in the Florida panhandle or southern Alabama or something and build a cheap greenhouse- it's only going to get cold a handful of days out of the year. Most of the time you could just open the green house up.

I'm in Charlotte county. This place is not only not what it was ten years ago, it's not what it was two years ago. We had a massive influx of new residents during COVID. Real estate prices and over population is out of control. Many working people who lived here their whole lives are moving out and I will too.

If you go east of punta Gorda toward arcadia it's ok. Poor people are spilling out of port Charlotte into that area along with massive Hispanic immigration but not nearly as bad as the coastal areas.

There's a lot of woods there but you'll have non stop planes buzzing over head, lots of drug smuggling and dope heads and it's still over priced for what you are getting. If you absolutely must live in south Florida I guess it's as good a choice as any.

This is the border zone for mangos, coconut etc. Sometimes you can get them surving if you get lucky with warm winters until they are big. Fort Myers is where mango, coconut growing starts in full.

Naples is also an over crowded nightmare where you need to be a millionaire to buy land.

A tiny house in port Charlotte on a less than quarter acre lot which cost $80,000 in the year 2000 is over $300,000 now and good luck finding a house for sale because there's more people here than real estate.

You are gonna pay $500,000 for a property because it's Florida so you can grow mangos or whatever when you could go to Georgia or Alabama and buy the same place for $150,000 or maybe $200,000. People are selling farmland here like crazy and building condos. You might do ok in Ocala which is still country and relatively cheap or the panhandle.

Cold Hardy Citrus / Re: Hybrids
« on: January 13, 2023, 06:57:26 PM »
You might want to grow multiple seeds from the hybrid. I would expect if you grow enough of them, at least one of them should result in elimination of the unsavory poncirus taste. That is assuming that the genes behave as normal dominant/recessive pairs. I believe how gene expression works in citrus is a little more complicated.

Let B represent bad taste, and b represent lack of bad taste.
Also let C represent cold hardiness and c represent lack of cold hardiness. B is dominant over b which is recessive.

the first cross was the poncirus with the pure pomelo
BB CC x bb cc = Bb Cc

next you obtained a zygotic seed from the resulting previous hybrid
Bb Cc x Bb Cc =

these are the statistical probabilities:
BB cc
Bb Cc
Bb cC
Bb cc
bB Cc
bB cC
bB cc
bb CC
bb Cc
bb cC
bb cc

only the last 4 possibilities will not have the bad poncirus taste. 4 out of 12 is a 1 in 4 probability. Out of that 1 in 4, 1 in 4 will not really have any cold hardiness. Half will have moderate cold hardiness, like the hybrid parent, and the remaining 1 out of 4 will have superior cold hardiness, better than the parent. That means there will be a 1 out of 16 chance the offspring (assuming they are all zygotic) will both lack a bad taste and also be more cold hardy than the first generation hybrid.
This is probably oversimplified, of course.

what you have now would probably be more like a Bb CC type.

I apologize for hijacking your thread if theory is not what you wanted the discussion to focus on.

Probably similar to grapes. You just get less native flavors each time it's crossed with non native. It takes many generations to breed out those flavors. The number of hybrids with significant native ancestry like 30-50% but without native flavors are only a handful even after many generations of selective breeding and those are used over and over again in further breeding. But I like native flavors but they are bred out for wine.

Meyer x ugli would be good. I eat Meyers like an orange. Only slightly bitter but tolerable. Very faint tangerine or grapefruit notes occasionally which enhances it but mostly really good lemon flavor and smell without the overwhelming bitterness.

Cross valentine with one of the better poncirus x orange you might have something good. But most people here want to maintain a high level of poncirus so they can grow it in Pennsylvania or Germany. I'm more interested in greening resistance and being slightly more cold tolerant like a grapefruit or pommelo.

Not the fruit the tree itself. Valencias often die after a freeze. If you can get a really big tree it will be ok but we could never get one to survive long enough to get big. Along comes a good freeze or a few during winter and it might not go immediately but it will kick the bucket. A Hamlin or navel can survive a 25 degree low. Most likely a 20 degree low too but it's starting to push it. The bigger the tree the better cold tolerance to an extent of the duration isn't too long.

The bell shape (tip) is usually found in hybrids like a grapefruit x mandarin.

Cold Hardy Citrus / Re: Hamlin x Flying Dragon
« on: January 10, 2023, 05:49:36 PM »
I'm thinking it's probably a Morton seedling. It has more seeds than Morton, huge number but Morton has a lot of seeds. Seems about the same otherwise. I took some seeds from it to grow. It's greening and other disease resistant. Not great fruit but edible decent.

Cold Hardy Citrus / Re: Hamlin x Flying Dragon
« on: January 10, 2023, 05:44:21 PM »
So it has normal leaves? The wild orange with a verbslight trifoliate taste has normal leaves but due to taste I think it's a trifoliate poncirus hybrid.

1. Tangelo
2. Grape (store table grapes not as good. Mostly wine grape or hybrids with American natives). More of a juice person mainly all they have is concord juice.
3. Peach (good for milk shakes or juice but the fuzz makes me only occasionally eat them)
4. Strawberry
5. Blackberries though mulberries are about the same.
6. Orange
7. Meyer lemon
8. Bananas (similar with grapes the store ones are about the worst tasting so exotic bananas like raja puri or red)

Not really impressed with mangoes, passion fruit or other exotics. They are ok and good for variety but I'd take an orange or strawberry over those.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Lakatan banana
« on: January 09, 2023, 08:37:05 AM »
Get some corms whole in the Philippines looks like a good variety.

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