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Citrus General Discussion / Re: Citrus Fruits - Ripe in SoCal December
« on: December 14, 2022, 05:25:10 PM »
The buddhas hand will perfume a room you place it in. I candied one once, and saved the remaing sugary liquid in the pot as syrup. It's a little bitter but I mix it into tea which gives it a nice flavor. Too much trouble otherwise, there is no pulp so you can't even use it as a lemon

Cold Hardy Citrus / Re: Nansho Daidai and other Taiwanica cultivars
« on: December 14, 2022, 05:16:19 PM »
In my experience less light = bigger leaves. This happens to me indoors under artificial lighthing, though I imagine the same could happen if they were greenhouse grown with less intense sunlight or if you kept them in the shade. 

Cold Hardy Citrus / Re: Nansho Daidai and other Taiwanica cultivars
« on: December 14, 2022, 04:26:39 PM »
Bigger leaves are probably response to lighting conditions

Tai-tri (taiwanica x trifoliate) has narrow leaves like your plant from Lenzi. Maybe they are selling hybrids or off-types?

Citrus General Discussion / Re: Grow Lights on Lemon Tree
« on: December 10, 2022, 09:07:07 PM »
LEDs should not burn plants unless the diodes are physically touching the leaves. The only concern I have is that your plant looks like its potted deeply, should not have the trunk buried that high up. Biggest issues you might experience indoors are overwatering and spider mites/other pests.

I'm doing something similar to your experiment with feijoas. Since they are already hardy down to 5f before getting damaged, I am covering with frost cloth and incandescent lights on a thermocube.

In addition to what everyone is suggesting with temp controls you can graft a piece of your already mature ponderosa to trifoliata which will keep it smaller and easier to cover and thus less space to heat as well as avoid root issues stemming from cold and wet weather.

My ponderosa flowers in the fall too once I bring it inside lol. Amazing that you grew it from seed way to go!

Hope your protection is enough, it's very frost tender from the citron in it. A better variety to protect outside in zone 7, if you want a lemon like fruit, would probably be ichang lemon.

Cold Hardy Citrus / Re: Thomasville v. Morton?
« on: December 01, 2022, 07:21:31 PM »
Ah yes I remember seeing that, looks good. I might have to graft a piece to my tai-tri which is very hardy and vigorous for me here. Should help it grow faster than standard poncirus.

Cold Hardy Citrus / Re: Thomasville v. Morton?
« on: November 30, 2022, 07:08:21 PM »
I have Morton two years old, no fruits yet either. Can we see pictures of your plant? Is Thomasville worth it in zone 7a? I want a tree but will have to be in the ground. I don't think Morton can survive outside.

Cold Hardy Citrus / Re: Good source for Yuzuquat?
« on: November 28, 2022, 01:45:43 PM »
does it retain the "yuzu" flavor and or scent in the peel or juice?

I've only had fruit from it once, but it was OK. Small lemonish sour fruit, a bit smaller than my citrangequat. It also never gets sweet. An extremely thorny plant...

Temperate Fruit Discussion / Re: Feijoa in NJ zone 7a
« on: November 23, 2022, 12:08:28 PM »
Waitied until fragrant, about 3 days since picked. Opened a softer one this morning, the outside of the fruit smells medicinal and almost like mothballs or some kind of cleaner it's a familiar scent? Tried the inside jelly with the flesh, sweet and floral. Tried the whole fruit with the skin, very nice sour and sweet combo. I don't mind the skin at all atleast on whatever this variety is it's good. So while I did pick them before they dropped off the bushes, they were mature enough that they are able to ripen inside after a few days.

Freshly cut. Are they supposed to be more yellow? It did turn a little yellow after oxidizing. 

Gave another ripe one to my father who hasn't had a feijoa in 50 years since leaving Uruguay, he enjoyed it!

Last update:

Another ripe one. My ambient temps in the kitchen are in the 60s so they have lasted pretty long. This one is 8 days from picking and no signs of rot. It was soft and sweet.
More yellow inside:

Temperate Fruit Discussion / Re: Feijoa in NJ zone 7a
« on: November 23, 2022, 12:01:42 PM »
Good to hear that they can take multiple days below freezing in the single digits. Did they flower and fruit after that 9f winter? 

We have 3 fiejoas in the ground that endured 9F for close to 4 days with steady 15 or so mph wind most of the time. No damage. They are tough. D

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Makrut lime
« on: November 22, 2022, 06:24:56 PM »
I liked the juice in ramen and over tacos. Try not to get the oils from the peel when you squeeze it or it will taste like kerosene

not to hijack this thread but which ground cherries are good in zone 7a, are they perennial? i've grown a large annual one that when ripe were OK one year, pineapple flavor, but then got infested with potato beatle or some similar bug the next year. do the zone 7 ground cherries come back from the root system in the spring?

I'm pretty sure my jiro fuyu is grafted to American persimmon so yes

Temperate Fruit Discussion / Re: Feijoa in NJ zone 7a
« on: November 19, 2022, 01:24:19 PM »
Update: Fruit is mature.

I went to check the fruit today Nov 19th, gave each of them a gentle shake and they popped off cleanly! Would have dropped on their own probably in a couple of days. There were a couple even smaller ones that would not come off the tree so those will not mature in time. Because of the upcoming deep freeze I didn't want to risk damaged fruit if the protection was not sufficient.  I cut open one of the mature ones while still hard, there was clear jelly inside and fully developed seeds, flavor was slightly sweet but mostly sour. I ate the skin too and enjoyed it. At this stage it reminded me of an unripe/hard tropical guava (green skin white fleshed variety) but with better flavor.

I believe I have two different varieties based on the texture of the fruit the 2nd row from the other bush shows more pebbled skin. I did cross and self pollinate but forgot to label which ones were crossed I assume bigger ones are crossed.

I will leave these on the counter until they get soft and post a picture of the interior.

Those grafts can take even now, I've done them with 3 different mandarins and tangerines with stem from the grocery store fruit
around this time as well just make sure they are warm and have enough light. They will turn black or mold if they were not fresh enough

Temperate Fruit Discussion / Re: Feijoa in NJ zone 7a
« on: November 15, 2022, 02:12:31 PM »
The covered feijoas with fruit did not freeze this morning everything else not covered like the leaves on fig trees are frosted and damaged.

This is just heating from the lights on at 35f/1.66c off at 45f/7.22c:

outside temp:

inside temp:

So the fabric does provide a good amount of frost protection with heating. I might be able to leave the fruit past the date I planned. We'll see.
I hope my lazy experimenting is helpful to anyone thinking about zone pushing feijoas esp if the fruit does not ripen sooner like on my trees

Temperate Fruit Discussion / Re: Feijoa in NJ zone 7a
« on: November 15, 2022, 02:02:34 PM »
this morning Nov 2022:

last year before losing leaves:

Plants didn't really grow taller. I completey neglected them, did not even water during drought. They are a little wider than last year, the trunks are more covered with foliage.

Temperate Fruit Discussion / Re: Feijoa in NJ zone 7a
« on: November 15, 2022, 01:18:51 AM »
Vnomonee, i am curious what happened to your feijoas that were planted next to the house? Any news on those, couldnt find an update on them in your tread.

The ones by the shed grew back new leaves after dropping everything but didn't flower, those were smaller than my potted plants so still can't say if they will flower after taking that much cold. I'll take a picture tomorrow

Temperate Fruit Discussion / Re: Feijoa in NJ zone 7a
« on: November 14, 2022, 06:13:59 PM »
Updated forecast if they are not ripe by Nov 20th I'm picking them off and testing if they will ripen at all inside on the kitchem counter. The fruit actually grew more since the last picture, doesn't help with figuring out what variety it is but I'm assuming bigger fruit takes longer to ripen.

I have them covered with fabric now that still lets light in plus the christmas lights for heat which keeps it above freezing. Nov 20th is hard freeze in the low 20s /-6.6. Fruit freezes at 28f / -2.22. Don't think my lights will keep the trees and fruit above the freezing point, it only adds a few degrees of heating.

Temperate Fruit Discussion / Re: Feijoa in NJ zone 7a
« on: November 11, 2022, 12:10:30 PM »
Nothing ripe yet. I carefully planted them in the ground,  they were very root bound despite being up potted in the spring. I have no room for such a big evergreen plant in my grow tent this year. If nothing is ripe by Nov 17th I will have to cover them and heat with incandescent Christmas lights, night temps will start dropping below 30f read somewhere the fruit freezes at 28f and will be damaged. Since this variety is not named I'm not sure if the fruit is just late ripening or if being root bound and water starved slowed the growth of the fruit vs in the ground. 

crappy screenshot of a video I took

Cold Hardy Citrus / Re: Poncirus+ x kumquat
« on: November 03, 2022, 02:53:24 PM »
Taitriquat is a great idea. It could produce a lemonquat type of fruit depending on if x nagami or x meiwa. Would need to be early ripening. Thomasville doesn't ripen in zone 7 before hard freezing from what I've seen online but can be used as a lime while green. Taitri is probably hardier than whatever citrange was used to make Thomasville, it has survived in my zone 7 as of now including 6f freezing rain. Will have to see how it does at 0f.

Temperate Fruit Discussion / Re: Feijoa in NJ zone 7a
« on: November 01, 2022, 09:30:16 PM »
Not yet, have not been frosted either. Hoping they ripen this coming week there will be warm weather.

A picture of one the fruits last week, its actually gotten a little bigger since then. Between both potted plants I have a total of 15 fruit. If you look up "raregrowsNJ" on youtube I have a video showing how the fruit and the plants look right now.

same fruit, swelling up now:

Cold Hardy Citrus / Re: Poncirus+ x kumquat
« on: October 31, 2022, 03:23:27 PM »
I pollinated a meiwa, nagami, and a hindsii kumquat, after removing the anthers on the flowers, with  dried poncirus+ pollen. I also pollinated a yuzu with the pollen. I have a fruit holding on each kumquat except hindsii, it dropped all the fruit. The yuzu is also holding some fruit which is now starting to ripen. Unless those flowers were wind or insect pollinated I might have hybrids. I would love a zone 7 kumquat even if the taste isn't great it can be used for further breeding.

thanks, I think I'm going to add a few more bricks and then put some frost cloth over the whole thing. Some light will still get through the frost cloth

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