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Had an early CRFG friend (John Moore) who put a 4 in rubber or plastic tubing over the top of the scion.  The tubing was then filled with water providing continous hydration.

'tis brillig then and the slithy toves are in the wabe.  Good luck!

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: What pineapple guava should i grow?
« on: May 05, 2023, 06:44:32 PM » many of us, Frank left behind a legacy of his selections for others to enjoy in the future. 

Using 110 VAC on raccoons might have unintended consequences on dogs, children, or even the poster.  Much safer is the hotshot version which is very high voltage with low current.  It works with large animals like horses and cattle and they learn to avoid wired areas.  Been dealing with raccoons for almost 50 years, tried many things.  In my trapping days, I removed many only to create an opening for another one to move in.  Watched many viscious fights between raccoons from indoors.  Our population seems stabil now and we sometimes pass in the night, but garden and ponds are left alone (still electrified.)  Electric fence chargers are pretty cheap.

Raccoon are common here and essentially own the night.  Have dealt with them in my pond and also the garden, but enjoy having them around.  Not so much when they enter the house through the dog door (now just close it at night.)  We have used an electric fence used for cattle, dogs, etc.  Wires are not very visible and it has kept them out of the pond and garden.  Now and then I hear a grunt or cry from an encounter with the electric fence. They don't come back to that area.  We now have few issues with them.  Integrated Pest Management from UC:
It is illegal to relocate them, but I have used a Hava-a-Heart live trap previously and moved some to nearby river locations where they can live out their life.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: What pineapple guava should i grow?
« on: May 03, 2023, 02:44:03 PM »
Having tasted and grown most of Frank Serpa's varieties ( from Edenvale Farms, I believe my New Zealand varieties Mammoth and Triumph surpass them in size and flavor.  Had a good friend in John Moore who collected many and even named his favorite (Moore). The Edenvale varieties, Improved Cooledge, Edenvale Supreme, Edenvale Late are quite good, but really enjoy the New Zealand ones.  Pointed out before is their hardiness and productivity in suboptimal conditions that warrants their being planted.

Sartre guava, the Arrayan fruit is botanically known as part of Psidium sartorianum and I have had it growing for around 12 years here in Nipomo.  Small tree, fruits abundantly, never bothered by frost.  From Guadalajara Mexico, it is used for "waters" or to flavor drinks. 

« on: March 13, 2023, 08:27:42 AM »
Nice thought...just a luck of the draw with seedlings obtained from Puerto Rico.  Have a second tree (different seedling, same batch).  Have not had fruit from it yet (competing with two large macadamias)  Sure is a beutiful tree.

« on: March 12, 2023, 07:07:53 PM »
Been growing Chironja here in Nipomo for about 15 years.  Seeds were from Puerto Rico.  Big tree like a grapefruit, green and full leaves.  Fruit looks like a grapefruit.  Grapefruit here on the cool CA coast are sour and bitter. Pummelo are better.  Just picked a bunch of Chironja to juice and they are not quite ripe yet. Usable. Another month... We do not have the heat to have a real grapefruit, but the Chironja is a nice combination of orange and grapefruit and develops good sweetness during the year.  Here it is more like a large orange, full of juice, peels like a navel orange.  As good as a Temple Tangor, but larger fruit, more productive.  An orange with a bit of grapefruit taste. One of my favorites.  Frost concerns: it is never bothered, but our short-time low this year was 26 and damaged several 3 ft tall mangos (that I should have covered).

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Best way to root feijoa cuttings?
« on: March 10, 2023, 08:40:56 AM »
Just dug up several branches on my Triumph that were ground layered (thanks B2B).  All were well rooted in multiple places and cut into sections and potted.  Buried branches of my Mammoth for later cutting after they root.  Ground is wet thanks to lots of rain.

Yellow Sapote (Casimiroa tetrameria) is thought to be part of the genetics of Suebelle (fuzzy underside of leaves) and Suebell is as a result smaller than the typical White Sapote (Casimiroa edulis).  My Pike is a giant and I can't reach around the trunk with both arms.  Unbelieveable amount of fruit is produced.  The Yellow sapote on their own roots are sized much smaller.  These trees are well over 20 years of age.  Interestingly, grafting a white sapote (like my giant Pike) on a yellow sapote rootstock causes extreme dwarfing and a tree about six ft tall, producing normal sized fruit.  No delayed incompatibility so far in over 20 years.  I have 4 dwarfed white sapotes on yellow rootstock, some 4 ft tall, some 7ft tall after more than 20 years. .  A much younger person needs to experiment with a varied interstock of yellow sapote on white sapote to regulate ultimate size of the tree.  As an aside, a friend dried some white sapote fruit (sliced) and it was exellent, described as the flavor of "gummy worms". 

I do think the two NZ selections I have are superior in size and quality compared to others I have and  have tasted.  I do have to admit, sometimes there are seedlings with an intense great flavor, but only come in a miniscule size.  The trees/bushes are bullet-proof here with regard to cold and heat (we don't get much of either).  Don't seem to need much water to prosper.  They fall when ripe, and have a thick skin.  Best when eaten out-of-hand.

I live in a relative cooler climate in Central Coast of CA.  low 40's to low 80s, with a few extremes.  See about an early Feijoa pioneer in CA.  I have 4 of Frank Serpa's cultivars along with some other selections (from others) and New Zealand's Triumph and Mammoth ones.  The Edenvale Late, Improved Cooledge, and other Edenvale are surpassed by the New Zealand varieties in both size, production, and taste.  Unfortunately, over the years, the Edenvale varieties have had to survive shade and competition from some huge avocado trees.  Mammoth and Triumph are well established (6ftX6ft) and taken care of with no competition.  The Edenvale group are being eaten by avocado roots and debris so it is an unfair competition.  I was introduced to CRFG many years ago by a friend, John Moore, who really knew his Feijoas, connected me with Serpa, and even selected one (Moore) for outstanding characteristics.  He told me there was a red one he encountered.  I would suggest there are some excellent Feijoas out there like New Zealand selections and worth finding them. 

I have a male and female Kei apple, on opposite sides of property.  Plenty fruit produced, in my opinion one of the most sour fruits I have encounted.  Good flavor, have not tried with sugar.  Giant thorns, use them to clean sprayer orifices.  Stepped on one once, went through shoe to foot, good 2-3 inch thorns.  Read the plant is used to surround villages to keep large creatures out. I stay away from it (female).

Tropical Fruit Discussion / White Sapote bombs
« on: January 16, 2023, 11:26:58 AM »
Rain has helped harvest white sapote fruits. Mainly Pike and Vernon.  Rotting well, smell of vinegar, don't walk there.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Is my white sapote sick?
« on: January 10, 2023, 12:16:28 PM »
The tip of the leaves being necrotic is usually a consequence of accumulated salts either from fertilizers or inherent dissolved solids in irrigation water. Transpiration takes the H2O out leaving the dissolved salts behind. The concentration of dissolved solids is usually greatest at the leaf tips.  Looks like the remainder of the leaf is healthy. The leaf petioles appear limp, if so that would indicate a root problem affecting the entire plant. During the quiescence time in the winter for plants they cannot utilize much nutrition nor water.  I would suspect that if you let the plant dry out, divert rainwater, by the middle of July you will have a happy plant.  Report back and let us know.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Is my white sapote sick?
« on: January 09, 2023, 06:52:08 PM »
Recent fertilizing?  Have not seen that before, resembles avocado starting to drop last year's leaves, but the leaves look fresh.  I barely water my white sapotes, not at all with the recent rains.  The trees here (similar to your climate) are pretty bullet-proof, more like weeds. 

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: macadamia tree in container?
« on: January 09, 2023, 06:46:47 PM »
No reason to not try!  So many successes are atributed to just doing it.  Report back on your results and techniques.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: macadamia tree in container?
« on: January 09, 2023, 02:05:38 PM »
What Scott said! 

I have around 39 mature macadamia trees and have potted many for sharing. In my experience, they just don't like pots.  Poor ragged little trees just take off when planted in the ground.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Frost hardiness data for White Sapote?
« on: November 28, 2022, 09:05:23 AM »
Unfortunately, the NWS does not reflect accurate historical weather as all weather is local.  Our NWS tends to use data collected on sensors close to the ocean and surrounded by grass not at all reflective of the Nipomo area. I did the local weather daily for two newspapers for years  from data recording thermometers installed when we first moved to the area.  Still record daily temps as part of efforts to grow those plants that we probably shouldn't.  We are surrounded by commercial avocado groves (mostly on hills) and I have vivid memories of black skeletons remaing of groves after some of the old freezes.  They have all been replanted, but facing issues with water now.  I vividly remember the temp that took down my largest cherimoya: 25 degrees.  I have kept that in mind as a limit.  I started some Costa Rican seedlings collected from mountain tops that experienced frost/freezing and they have grown out and sustained growth with colder temps.  But again, freeze duration, humidity, and plant maturity make a difference in cold tolerance. Where would the fun be if it weas all easy?

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Frost hardiness data for White Sapote?
« on: November 27, 2022, 09:38:05 PM »
Had 4 in trunk cherimoyas cut down by freezes and also my lucuma knocked back to 3 inch wood.  Not much except new growth on white sapotes damaged.  Not happening any more as we have seen a change in winter temps (and rainfall, sadly)

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Frost hardiness data for White Sapote?
« on: November 27, 2022, 09:02:54 AM »
I think our climate is similar.  My oldest white sapote is dangerous to walk under due to the many fallen fruits.  Multigrafted, the fruiting season is drawn out.  They are prolific fruiters here and I don't worry about frost or freeze with any of them.  About 40 years ago we had 17 degrees (killed lots of very old Eucalyptus globulus trees all over thge Nipomo Mesa, planted about 1906).  The oldest white sapote tree still shows a scar on one limb (about 10 in diameter) from that hit.  In our 50 years here, that was the only time it was that cold.  Our usual temps 30 years ago was always in the low 20s, now we barely make the low 30s.  I had similar experiences with macadamias, but they don't suffer either now.  Maturity helps, lost lots of small macadamias to freeze years ago.  Zone pushing is a moving target when the zone changes.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Frost hardiness data for White Sapote?
« on: November 26, 2022, 06:49:00 PM »
Have a number of White Sapotes here in Central Coast of CA.  Trees are over 30 years old and have taken 19, 20 degrees with no damage.  Smaller ones do indeed get hit, but recover.  Low temperature, duration, humidity, and plant condition factor in relative to damage.  Our summer nights are cool (45 degrees), daytime temps in 70s.  The trees never have a lush growth due to cooler temps.  A growth flush from warm days followed by a freeze would certaiunly be detrimental.  Most of our trees are multigrafted and the different varieties seem to tolerate our frosts/freezes easily.  In the past few years we have experienced very few frost/freezing nights due to global warming and infact rarely get apricots (a previous commercial growing area) as not enough winter chill.  Been at this location for almost 50 years and the winters are indeed changing.  Use to use smudge pots (return stack heaters) and covers, but now rarely see any damage now (probably will pay for this comment this winter!)

Interesting concept.  Had a good friend who was a serious "rare" fruit grower who told me that a transplanted plant needed to be oriented in the same direction relative to magnetic north in its new home.  He adhered to that idea with all his plants.  I try to do that, but oriented with the daily travel of the sun. I guess it ends up the same way. 

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: macadamia
« on: October 20, 2022, 08:40:05 AM »
Have not tried to root cuttings, yet.  Overdid the macadamia thing when told they would not grow here.  Once a new tree produces there are then lots of seeds to plant. I cannot remember time to production as I had grafted ones too.  Neighbor I supplied seeds just had first crop, about 5 years. I have, over the years, sent seeds around.  Hopefully they are trees now.  Baja CA has been my goto place for many years and fellow CRFG members have provided trees to the orphanage in Colnet.  Inspiring is to see the acreage of trees providing a cash crop to those dedicated folks.

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