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Giant Loquat Fruits Comparison
« on: June 13, 2023, 06:07:17 PM »
Consideration for a Giant Loquat fruit: weight should be above 80 grams.

Ok, all my loquats have finished ripening and I have been picking them all. Since I found some huge loquat fruits in my search for the best/excellent tasting seedling trees, I thought to do a comparison on the size of the largest varieties I have fruited or will have next year when the grafts grow out. All these fruits are what I have, and tasted it after i took these photos.

I just took some photos today and will post the photos later tonight. Here's my list of giant loquat fruits:

1. Vista White
2. Peluche
3. Estee
4. Khaled #1
5. Guglielmo_II

These loquat fruits are giants, all except the Vista White are comparable in size. Vista White was the smallest of the giants.

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If you have any photos of your giant loquat, please post it here and say what variety is it, or if it's an unknown tree, seedling tree.
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Re: Giant Loquat Fruits Comparison
« Reply #1 on: June 13, 2023, 10:44:33 PM »
Here's some photos, will post more later.















=============== Peluche   ==============























=============== Vista White   ==============







These photos below are from 5-23-23




















Picked my last Vista White fruits today, they were excellent tasting.  6-25-23











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Re: Giant Loquat Fruits Comparison
« Reply #2 on: June 13, 2023, 11:35:17 PM »
What sort of mutant monsters are these? I have never heard of a khaled.Must be a Mediterranean variety. I have also heard of Guglielmo.

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Re: Giant Loquat Fruits Comparison
« Reply #3 on: June 13, 2023, 11:38:18 PM »
These are new seedling discoveries and have not been spread around the forum/club yet.

Maybe next year when the grafts get larger or when the person who owns the tree decides to share some cuttings to sell, I will let you know. I'm trying to identify and document the names of these seedling trees which most folks do not know exists.

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Re: Giant Loquat Fruits Comparison
« Reply #4 on: June 14, 2023, 12:14:30 AM »
I dont even like loquats but I'd definitely grab scions of the Guglielmo and Khaled in a heartbeat. Good looking fruits.

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« Reply #5 on: June 14, 2023, 01:03:58 AM »
Thank you for sharing.
How is the Guglielmo_II's taste? How big are the seeds? How thick is the skin?
Allow yourself to know, if you wish, that this is a multi dimensional communication.
See what happens.

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Re: Giant Loquat Fruits Comparison
« Reply #6 on: June 14, 2023, 03:21:03 AM »
I'll show more details later, I have photos showing the fruits cut open so it will answer some of your questions.

As for taste, I will rate them as Below Average, Good, Very Good, Excellent when I update more photos.

The taste of Guglielmo_II is very good to excellent. The best tasting in this lot is the Estee, it has excellent tasting fruits when it is ripe. The Khaled has the thickest thin of these varieties, so it might be a good one for commercial shipment.
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Re: Giant Loquat Fruits Comparison
« Reply #7 on: June 14, 2023, 09:02:35 AM »
Wow, monstrous sized loquats!

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« Reply #8 on: June 14, 2023, 01:19:08 PM »
Holy moly, those things are *monsters*. Incredible.

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Re: Giant Loquat Fruits Comparison
« Reply #9 on: June 14, 2023, 02:25:34 PM »
They sure are, it looks very impressive when you look at the trees and realize how large each fruit is. They are like mutant loquats for sure. I will try to post some photo of the fruits on the tree if I can get ok from some of the people who own the tree. The Guglielmo_II is my tree so I will put more photos of the grafted branch later.

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« Reply #10 on: June 14, 2023, 11:39:50 PM »
Thank you.
Allow yourself to know, if you wish, that this is a multi dimensional communication.
See what happens.

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Re: Giant Loquat Fruits Comparison
« Reply #11 on: June 15, 2023, 12:33:05 PM »
Nice Kaz, those are some big fruit or small hands  ;)

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« Reply #12 on: June 15, 2023, 03:44:28 PM »
Really nice looking fruit.  The fuzziness of the skin on my non-giant loquat is the only thing that I don't like about it, and a giant loquat would have a much lower fuzz ratio.  Thanks for contributing this breeding project to the world, that is a hell of an effort

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« Reply #13 on: June 16, 2023, 07:11:29 AM »
Robert, these loquats are giants, my hand is fat, but the fruits shown in these photos all had fruits at least 100 grams each (except Vista White was only 99 grams). The largest/heaviest this year is the Khaled which had one big fruit that weighted in at 120 grams. My largest Peluche fruit was only 115-117 grams. So, we have a new largest loquat fruit.

The nice thing about these giant loquat fruits I have/tasted this year is that these fruits are naturally large on the tree without being thinned out to make them grow huge. When you look at the fruits of these trees, it is very impressive when there are so many fruits, and you realize how big each fruit is. Taste of these giants are not the sweetest when I compare it to all my other excellent loquats. But the BS-Estee can stand up to any of my other best tasting loquat so it's a top 3 loquat.

Brian, I won't be sharing/selling most of these cuttings yet this year, but next year when my grafted branches grow out more, I will be selling or having a few contests to give away some cuttings for you lucky winners. I will be talking to one person about his giant loquat tree and if he gives me permission to sell a few cuttings this year to share with our members, then I will post it here within a month. It will be a very limited sale and cost will be the going rate for premium rare variety (no discount price). I plan on giving most of the sales $$ (minus my shipping cost) to the person who owns the tree.

As for the taste of the fruits, it turns out the Peluche ranks the lowest for me when I did the taste test. For some reason, I'm finding that the Peluche only has a very short window (few days) where it actually tastes very good & juicy, after that it is below average taste. It does not hold well on the tree, it starts to wrinkle while hanging on the tree too long to ripen so if you don't know when to pick it, you would say the taste is bad and get rid of the grafted branch. But if you pick it at the right time, I would rate the taste an 8 out of 10 (best).

The top best tasting of the 5 giants shown is the Estee, it's a winner, can't go wrong with this variety. I have been following this seedling tree for 5-7 years and finally met the owner of the tree this year. His fruits are better tasting than the grafted branches I have and it turns out his fruits are all giants without thinning any fruits. I do not plan to list the best tasting or highest brix loquats this year since the colder weather did not allow all the fruits to have the best taste this year. But I could say this one may be #1 due to the taste, size of fruit, and fruit production. There is no negative on growing this tree. I have many of my trees now grafted with this variety so next year, it will be a good year for eating loquats.

From my review of all the large/giant varieties this year, I would expect the Estee, Guglielmo_! (Imperaile), Guglielmo_II to be the best large fruiting loquats of all. It will be difficult to find another variety that can beat the size and taste of these fruits. All of these three beats out the Peluche so save you money and graft a few of these varieties next year when I have some available. Sales will be limited to one cutting per member until it runs out.

My search for the best tasting and for the largest fruit loquats is over, I think I found them.

I will be reducing my collection and now only keep the best top varieties I that I like. Dig up and get rid of most of my large trees so I can have my yard space back.
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Re: Giant Loquat Fruits Comparison
« Reply #14 on: June 16, 2023, 01:44:52 PM »
Thanks Kaz for the awesome reviews.  My Peluche still has not fruited, so Iím still holding out hope that I have a different one than you with elongated fruits and white flesh.

This is my large fruiting loquat tree from the orchard.  Itís been totally neglected and went for a year with zero irrigation and only 10 inches of rain before we bought the property.  My loquats have been bland this year with the lack of sun and cooler weather.  This is the best tasting of the ones Iíve tried: Big Jim, Angelino, and Sunset from Akme which Adam considered his best tasting. 

Largest 2 fruits I weighed were both 120 grams and both were over 100 grams with the seeds removed and one of the smaller fruits still weighed 79 grams without seeds as well.

We all like this fruit a lot and Iím sure the fruit quality will improve now that Iím going to give it some love and attention.








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« Reply #16 on: June 16, 2023, 02:46:16 PM »
Jenet, that is a nice giant loquat fruit, what variety is it? Is the fruit more of a white/yellow rather than orange, not so easy to tell in photos sometimes.  Is that giant loquat fruit tree a seedling tree?

The shape of your giant fruit looks different from the Peluche fruits I have. And the color of you giant loquat flesh looks white/yellow to me.

Looks like we have a tie for the heaviest loquat fruit this year at 120 grams, very nice !
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« Reply #17 on: June 16, 2023, 03:42:38 PM »
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Brian, I won't be sharing/selling most of these cuttings yet this year, but next year when my grafted branches grow out more, I will be selling or having a few contests to give away some cuttings for you lucky winners. I will be talking to one person about his giant loquat tree and if he gives me permission to sell a few cuttings this year to share with our members, then I will post it here within a month. It will be a very limited sale and cost will be the going rate for premium rare variety (no discount price). I plan on giving most of the sales $$ (minus my shipping cost) to the person who owns the tree.
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I'm in no rush!  Happy to let others who have more space get a hold of them.  I'll wait until they are cheap and plentiful :)

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« Reply #18 on: June 17, 2023, 09:18:54 AM »
Kaz, the fruit has white flesh.  I don't know the variety, it is the only fruiting loquat tree on the 30+ year old orchard.  I found a couple seedling trees on the property but they are not fruiting size yet.  I'm planting out lots of seeds from this tree so it'll be fun to see what I get in a few years. 

What's the flesh color on your giant varieties?  I've noticed the white flesh oxidizes quickly after it is cut.  Have you noticed any white flesh varieties that don't discolor as easily?

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« Reply #19 on: June 17, 2023, 01:59:42 PM »
Janet, that is very nice to have such an old loquat mystery tree on your property. Were you able to compare the taste to any named variety like the Jim's Big White or Big Jim White (white flesh)?

Did you notice if the skin of the fruit is much thicker than the normal loquats? What I have noticed is the loquats that have the thick skin will keep much longer than 2-3 days after it is picked even if left on the counter. Also, with the thicker skin it will not bruise so easily so it would make a good variety for commercial growers who want to sell it at stores/markets.

Of the 5 giant loquats I mentioned above, the following have white/yellow flesh and not the orange color like the Big Jim.

1. Vista White - pure white flesh
3. Estee - white flesh, does not discolor quickly. Has long shelf life
5. Guglielmo_II - white/yellow flesh

Even though the Peluche fruit has thick skin, it does not keep because for some reason it doesn't even stay firm on the tree when it starts to ripen. If you leave it hanging it will start to wrinkle pretty quickly after it ripens. When it wrinkles it's no good, taste goes bad real fast.

The thick-thin loquat fruit I have is the Khaled #1 and Estee. Both have longer shelf life than any other varieties I grow. They can be left on the tree past ripened phase. If picked when ripe and left on the counter, these fruits can stay firm and not spoil for 5-10 days. I have deliberately let the fruits sit on the kitchen table to test how long it will keep before going bad (wrinkle & dry, or mold/turn black). Both of these varieties lasted over 10 days and it tasted good. I keep one each in my fruit refrig and it lasted over 2wks, still not bad tasting after 2 weeks. The Khaled seems to be the best for longer shelf life than any others shown. It is not as sweet as the Estee or the Gulielmo I  or II, but it does keep for a long time if put in the refrigerator.

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« Reply #20 on: June 18, 2023, 08:46:32 AM »
The fruits are still good after a week on the counter, I'll have to test how long they'll keep.  The squirrels have started harvesting the tree as well, so I'll try to protect a few to see how long they can hang on the tree.  Skin thickness seems comparable to Big Jim.

The orchard white loquat was the best tasting of the varieties I tried this year.  I was impressed with the taste when I tried it last year so grafted a couple branches onto my home tree.  This year my Big Jim fruits were bland, usually they get really sweet.  Angelino and Sunset both tasted better than Big Jim and both fruited for the first time this year from grafts.  I have several others I grafted from Jonah but they haven't fruited yet. 

Have you tasted Sunset from Akme?  Adam described it as his best tasting variety and one of the best fruits he ever tasted.  For first year fruits without any sun, I can see the potential for flavor especially considering how bland Big Jim was.  The skin on Sunset, however, started splitting and getting these tiny cracks which I haven't seen on the other loquats.

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« Reply #21 on: June 18, 2023, 09:26:45 AM »
Yes, I tasted Sunset last year and this year. The fruit taste is a little above average taste, not excellent. I had many fruits on my grafts, but the size of the fruits was very small. Maybe next year it will improve. I also have some of his other seedling trees and none of the fruits were very good or excellent except for the Michael (MJP4). I will be tasting more fruits of the MJP4 this week and should know how it compares to my top 5 fruits. I didn't have any fruits on Adam's Sugarcane and Zesty so maybe they will be good tasting next year.

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« Reply #22 on: June 18, 2023, 01:33:09 PM »
Sunset tastes great to me, very flavorful, but the fruits are small. It takes very long to ripen and has thick skin. Benefits are that they keep well on and off the tree. I just wish they are bigger.

The Michael has very strong sweet and tart tastes. Probably too tart for most people but I like it. Size is small, flesh is between white and orange, more white.

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« Reply #23 on: June 21, 2023, 05:25:19 AM »
Ken, yes I noticed the fruits of Michael was small like the Sunset, but this is my first time getting fruits on this one. My MJP4 tasted good, not excellent but very good. Maybe about the same taste as the Yehuda.

One standout tasting fruit for me was the National (Jonah), it has medium size fruits, orange flesh, very sweet. I would say it was just as sweet as my best tasting Big Jim (orange flesh) fruits on the multi-grafted tree. This is only the second year I'm getting fruits on National, and the tree is a strong/vigorous grower. For my taste comparison this year, National gets a 9/10.

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« Reply #24 on: June 25, 2023, 10:48:02 PM »
Picked my last Vista White fruits today, they were excellent tasting. These fruits were not as large as the first main crop of loquats, but these were much sweeter, brix=18.

(see photos above that I added for the Vista White).

I do have one last Vista White scionwood for sale, see the Peluche seed sale.

https://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=51637.msg496412#msg496412
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