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Purple Leaf Plum Fruit
« on: July 21, 2023, 05:12:34 PM »
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Purple leaf flowering plums (Prunus cerasifera) are normally grown as ornamental trees. However I have seen trees loaded with hundreds of little purple cherry-sized plums while others seem not to produce fruit at all. Would anyone know which variety of purple leaf plums will produce fruit more consistently or have knowledge for marking the tree produce more fruit. My family has been eating these plum for years but when we moved we left our tree behind. I know of some varieties such as Krauter Vesuvius, Mt Saint Helens, Newport, and Thundercloud which are listed as “little to no fruit” production but I cannot tell the difference between them because they all look identical. What is the difference in tree variety of purple leaf plums?

Thank you friends!
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Re: Purple Leaf Plum Fruit
« Reply #1 on: July 28, 2023, 02:06:52 PM »
Fruitwood nursery sells several selections of cherry plums.  Currently the red leaf variety is out of stock, but you can put yourself on their notification list for seedlings or scions.

https://www.fruitwoodnursery.com/starter-plugs-seedlings-and-rooted-cuttings/fruit-trees-rooted-cutting-plugs/japanese-plum-rooted-cutting-plugs/hoops-red-leaf-cherry-plum-seedling-plugs-detail

Pink and yellow cherry plums are in stock.
https://www.fruitwoodnursery.com/new-products/hoops-pink-cherry-plum-seedling-plug-detail

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Re: Purple Leaf Plum Fruit
« Reply #2 on: March 13, 2024, 05:44:35 PM »
Raintree has San Luis Obispo Purpleleaf Plum.
https://raintreenursery.com/products/slo-red-plum-semi-dwarf

If you already have access to trees that produce fruit, you might consider collecting a crop of plums and growing from seed.

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Re: Purple Leaf Plum Fruit
« Reply #3 on: March 13, 2024, 06:16:01 PM »
Even on the same trees fruit production varies drastically. Back when I lived in WA, some summers I found many trees absolutely loaded with cherry plum fruits painting the sidewalks purple, and other years they were barren besides a few for the birds. Most of them were Thundercloud, but other varieties seemed to fare about the same year to year.

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Re: Purple Leaf Plum Fruit
« Reply #4 on: June 25, 2024, 12:38:29 PM »
I worked for the city for one summer during high school, trimming and maintaining trees on the streets and parks.

I had eaten a few of the fruits.  IMHO, they tasted way better than cherries.  They don't produce a lots though. 

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Re: Purple Leaf Plum Fruit
« Reply #5 on: June 25, 2024, 05:44:32 PM »
Try Hollywood plum. It is pretty widely available, a strong grower and quite productive of small plums with dark red skin and flesh.

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Re: Purple Leaf Plum Fruit
« Reply #6 on: April 27, 2025, 10:13:35 AM »
There are several clones sold under the name "Hollywood" that differ in fruit ripening time, flower color, and tree size. This is explained fully by Arthur Lee Jacobson in a series of posts:

https://arthurleej.com/articles/a-purplumwest.html
https://arthurleej.com/articles/a-spencer.html

Jacobson also wrote the book "Purpleleaf Plums" (Timber Press, 1992). A cult classic.

One type of "Hollywood" produces fruit early for a plum (June or early July), which are dark and cherry-sized, and has white flowers. That might be a match for the one described in this thread. The other type of Hollywood is "Spencer Hollywood" which produces fruit in late July-August that are a bit larger, more like an Asian plum, red but not deep purple. It has pink flowers.

I was also looking for a specific fruiting purpleleaf plum that I enjoyed while staying at an Airbnb in Shasta, CA. I don't know the flower color, but it produced dark purple fruits about the size of a cherry, the same color as the foliage. It sounds pretty similar to the original poster's tree.

It seems breeders are focusing on ornamental trees that don't produce fruit, so these fruiting cultivars need to be specifically sought after.
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Re: Purple Leaf Plum Fruit
« Reply #7 on: April 27, 2025, 12:50:54 PM »
I bought my Hollywood plum from Raintree nursery, I think it’s the right variety because flowers are white, but have yet to taste one fruit.

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Re: Purple Leaf Plum Fruit
« Reply #8 on: April 27, 2025, 02:32:38 PM »
I decided to do a test and get Hollywood from both Raintree and Burnt Ridge. My theory is that Raintree's is Spencer's Hollywood and Burnt Ridge's is the original Hollywood.

To correct my previous post, Spencer's Hollywood is said to have blossoms that open pink and then turn white. There's a photo of the tree in flower in "Purpleleaf Plums" that looks pinkish white, not the definitive pink as you see on street trees everywhere that are Thundercloud or one of its close kin like Krauter's Vesuvius. The pink color on many purpleleaf plums can vary from year to year, perhaps depending on weather conditions.

Raintree's description is: "loaded with showy pink blossoms early each spring. The leaves of this 12 foot tall ornamental stay a rich, deep burgundy from spring to fall. In mid-summer it produces an abundance of large, round, dark red plums with deep red flesh. They are delicious when eaten fresh and make a gorgeous jam, jelly, wine or juice."

Factors that make Raintree's description match "Spencer Hollywood" are "pink blossoms", "mid-summer" fruiting, and in a video on their site, the fruit is clearly egg-shaped and lighter red inside (lighter than the skin). (Although we should disregard the tree size, as that depends on the rootstock.)

Burnt Ridge's description is: "Dark purple leaves and pink flower buds.  Outstanding fragrant white flowers in early spring.  Hollywood Plum develops medium sized red plums in early to mid-summer."

Factors that make this description a better match for the original "Hollywood" are "white flowers" and "medium-sized red plums in early to mid-summer" - consistent with "Hollywood" fruiting in late June to early July, rather than later in July or into August. The photo on their page is a stock photo (I saw the same photo used on another site), but it is deep red, with the flesh being as deep red as the skin.

ALJ says his favorite purpleleaf plum is Spencer Hollywood, so if you have that, it's a great fruit tree. I would appreciate both, but the deep purple flesh the same color as the skin on a small round cherry-sized plum is what I remember from Shasta and what I'm really seeking and what I'm thinking the original poster was looking for.

If neither Hollywood matches the deep purple cherry-sized fruits we were looking for, it might be that what we experienced were actually Krauter's Vesuvius or Thundercloud, which are said to produce fruit that is deep purple throughout, the same color as the foliage, about cherry-sized. ALJ says they don't always produce very much fruit, which makes sense since it is primarily grown for its ornamental value. Thundercloud was specifically said to produce abundant fruit crops occasionally.


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Re: Purple Leaf Plum Fruit
« Reply #9 on: May 08, 2025, 10:12:07 AM »
Reading Jacobson's Purpleleaf Plum book more thoroughly, it came to my attention that there are several varieties of purpleleaf plum that were selected by Paul Thomas of the California Rare Fruit Growers association for their fruit quality. They were named after the property owners on whose property the trees were found, Elsie, Oaks, Knaus, and Gerth. These were sold by a few nurseries in California, according to Jacobson, including Exotica Rare Fruit Nursery in San Diego. That nursery still exists, but I didn't see any purpleleaf plum varieties offered there now, at least online. Gerth was also sold in Washington by Robert Hartman's Fruit Tree Nursery in Puyallup. It's almost certain that trees exist in Washington and California, at least. Finding them now that they're out of commerce might be possible through West coast fruit hobbyist organizations that have scion exchanges and the like.



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Re: Purple Leaf Plum Fruit
« Reply #10 on: May 17, 2025, 07:58:07 PM »
My Hollywood plum is sourced from Dave Wilson nursery. Flowers are pink. Heavy fruit set. Ripened mid July to August last year, it’s first holding fruit. Vigorous pretty tree. Fruit are small but 2 to 3 times the diameter of a cherry.


 

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