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Re: Its Now Time To Foliar Feed For Best Crop Of Fruit
« Reply #125 on: January 07, 2021, 11:20:47 PM »
Vlad, that is why the tree is sprayed 2 months BEFORE expected bloom date (before the new flush of leaves)

Millet..what is the bloom date for southern california?

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« Reply #126 on: January 08, 2021, 12:02:56 AM »
Too late  all my trees have flushed out but 1

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Re: Its Now Time To Foliar Feed For Best Crop Of Fruit
« Reply #127 on: January 08, 2021, 09:04:16 AM »
Millet, thanks for the clarification.

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« Reply #128 on: January 10, 2021, 03:47:21 PM »
For the first spray of low biuret urea (called the winter spray) the most effective application time in California is from December 15 to February 15 in most years, NOTE: this window was extrapolated from research conducted in southern California. (Citrus Production Manual)

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Re: Its Now Time To Foliar Feed For Best Crop Of Fruit
« Reply #129 on: January 11, 2021, 01:09:06 AM »
My trees all still have fruits.
Should I wait until post harvest?

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Re: Its Now Time To Foliar Feed For Best Crop Of Fruit
« Reply #130 on: January 11, 2021, 11:29:57 AM »
Seanny, you can still spray even though your tree still has some hanging fruit.

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« Reply #131 on: January 11, 2021, 11:33:25 AM »
Millet, I sprayed mine last month, and two are flowering now, but they have NO leaves, and haven't had for almost a year.  They are in my greenhouse.  What the heck am I doing wrong?  I have been giving them Miracle Gro, and also a complete food that has all 14 nutrients.

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« Reply #132 on: January 11, 2021, 11:51:52 AM »
Some members might not know the reasons to apply the first spray , called the winter spray, of low biuret urea.  This first spray is designed to increase flower number and yield of commercially valuable sized fruit WITHOUT reducing fruit size  Later applications are better than those that are too early.  This is because once this opportunity to increase flower number has passed, late applications of low biuret urea will still increase the retention of abscising reproductive organs. Citrus Production Manual

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« Reply #133 on: January 11, 2021, 11:56:13 AM »
Daintree are you saying that your tree has not had any leaves for a year?

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Re: Its Now Time To Foliar Feed For Best Crop Of Fruit
« Reply #134 on: January 11, 2021, 02:52:11 PM »
will ammonia sulfate work.  I have access to ammonia sulfate 21-0-0

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« Reply #135 on: January 11, 2021, 04:46:51 PM »
Daintree are you saying that your tree has not had any leaves for a year?
Yep. I keep thinking it will flush, but it just puts out more flower buds! It is 6 years old and did really well up until last winter.  All the leaves dropped, and no amount of light or fertilizer would help. I will go get a pic right now. Soil drains well.

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Re: Its Now Time To Foliar Feed For Best Crop Of Fruit
« Reply #136 on: January 11, 2021, 04:55:56 PM »
Checked the tag, I have had it since 2017. January of 2020 all the leaves dropped. The pic shows tiny flushes of leaves, but they have looked like that for months. The tiny leaves never get anyy bigger. 1/4 mm long.

I am SO ready to give up on citrus all together, unless I can get this figured out.

This is it. I call her "Baldy" :)


You can see a tiny cluster of leaves. It pushed these out this summer and this is all the bigger they got.


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« Reply #137 on: January 16, 2021, 02:45:37 PM »
The reason Urea is used to supply nitrogen via foliar spays, is because the time for 50% leaf absorption of the chemical is only 1/2 - 2 hours.  Many chemicals take days or weeks.  The best time to apply foliar fertilizers is early morning, when the plant's stomates are open.
If temperatures are projected to reach approximately 85-F or higher during the day, applications should be made just after daybreak or after the temperature drops in the evening and the relative humidity increases.  Winter applications should be made at midday, when temperatures are suitable warm.  Avoid spraying to runoff.  Excessive liquid per tree causes pooling of the fertilizer at the tip of the leaf, which can result in tip burn.  Nutrient uptake is best when the application solution is at a pH from 5.5 to 6.6 .  Last note: For most cation nutrients (magnesium, potassium, zinc manganese and iron), application as a sulfate salt is equally effective as chelated products and less expensive.

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« Reply #138 on: January 18, 2021, 12:37:50 AM »
The reason Urea is used to supply nitrogen via foliar spays, is because the time for 50% leaf absorption of the chemical is only 1/2 - 2 hours.  Many chemicals take days or weeks.  The best time to apply foliar fertilizers is early morning, when the plant's stomates are open.
If temperatures are projected to reach approximately 85-F or higher during the day, applications should be made just after daybreak or after the temperature drops in the evening and the relative humidity increases.  Winter applications should be made at midday, when temperatures are suitable warm.  Avoid spraying to runoff.  Excessive liquid per tree causes pooling of the fertilizer at the tip of the leaf, which can result in tip burn.  Nutrient uptake is best when the application solution is at a pH from 5.5 to 6.6 .  Last note: For most cation nutrients (magnesium, potassium, zinc manganese and iron), application as a sulfate salt is equally effective as chelated products and less expensive.

Millet..what product is sulfate salt for those cation nutrients?

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Re: Its Now Time To Foliar Feed For Best Crop Of Fruit
« Reply #139 on: January 18, 2021, 11:15:18 AM »
Iron Sulfate, Copper Sulfate, Zinc sulfate & Manganese sulfate.

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Re: Its Now Time To Foliar Feed For Best Crop Of Fruit
« Reply #140 on: January 01, 2022, 03:11:49 PM »
Very warm December has started pushing new growth, and some tiny blossoms are showing.  Normally wouldn't spray into mid Jan, and normal bloom time is around first week in March. Jan-early Mar, can still have frosts and freezes. Am thinking I just want to stick to normal spraying and fertilizing schedule, and not force more tender growth vulnerable to freezing. Does that sound right?

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Re: Its Now Time To Foliar Feed For Best Crop Of Fruit
« Reply #141 on: January 01, 2022, 08:30:18 PM »
I have Ammonium sulfate 21-0-0  Do I have to worry about BIURET in my feed

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« Reply #142 on: January 02, 2022, 01:31:11 AM »
Anybody have recommendations on where to get some low buiret urea? Having trouble finding it for sale.

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Re: Its Now Time To Foliar Feed For Best Crop Of Fruit
« Reply #143 on: January 02, 2022, 09:11:26 AM »
Not sure how much you need, but ebay has it. Sold as Urea, by Alpha Chemicals.

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Re: Its Now Time To Foliar Feed For Best Crop Of Fruit
« Reply #144 on: January 02, 2022, 04:07:47 PM »
I have Ammonium sulfate 21-0-0  Do I have to worry about BIURET in my feed

I wouldn't think so, you could contact the manufacturer to see if there is any Urea as impurities.
Do you normally use Ammonium Sulphate  ?? It may tend to drop pH, but that may be useful to balance hard water.
You may want to consider Ammonium toxicity problems, rather than Biuret toxicity.
Just watch the strength of your feeds, and don't apply in cool dull weather.

https://www.pthorticulture.com/en/training-center/ammonium-toxicity/

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Re: Its Now Time To Foliar Feed For Best Crop Of Fruit
« Reply #145 on: January 02, 2022, 09:00:34 PM »
Not sure how much you need, but ebay has it. Sold as Urea, by Alpha Chemicals.
Couldnt find anything about its biuret %. Is that what you use for your plants?

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Re: Its Now Time To Foliar Feed For Best Crop Of Fruit
« Reply #146 on: January 02, 2022, 09:22:01 PM »
I have Ammonium sulfate 21-0-0  Do I have to worry about BIURET in my feed

I wouldn't think so, you could contact the manufacturer to see if there is any Urea as impurities.
Do you normally use Ammonium Sulphate  ?? It may tend to drop pH, but that may be useful to balance hard water.
You may want to consider Ammonium toxicity problems, rather than Biuret toxicity.
Just watch the strength of your feeds, and don't apply in cool dull weather.

https://www.pthorticulture.com/en/training-center/ammonium-toxicity/

I have Blue berries, 7.8 pH hard water and soil just under ph8  The blueberries explode with this

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Re: Its Now Time To Foliar Feed For Best Crop Of Fruit
« Reply #147 on: January 03, 2022, 10:39:47 PM »
Iron Sulfate, Copper Sulfate, Zinc sulfate & Manganese sulfate.

Another benefit to allpplying metal sulfates is that they tend to be fungicidal (especially copper and zinc) and will probably result in cleaner fruit with fewer blemishes.

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Re: Its Now Time To Foliar Feed For Best Crop Of Fruit
« Reply #148 on: January 03, 2022, 10:49:06 PM »
That Urea I mentioned is low biuret .There is other discussion about it in this thread. It's what I use.
« Last Edit: January 03, 2022, 10:51:05 PM by edweather »

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