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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Cherilata or reticulata
« on: July 22, 2024, 08:41:12 PM »
Then Pierce is the best, it has the Guanabana flavor in good years.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Mango ID please???
« on: July 19, 2024, 10:32:20 PM »
Orange Essence is a firm fleshed fruit like Kent.

Though the shape is wrong, the taste and texture description remind me a lot of Peach Cobbler/O2

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Help Identifying a mango tree.
« on: July 19, 2024, 10:29:01 PM »
Looks a little like Neelam. Is the tree dwarf?

Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Re: Zill Mango Seeds for sale
« on: July 17, 2024, 06:45:04 PM »
Is Cac poly?

All the seeds I've sprouted were poly and it's a very fast grower.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: 2024 FL Mango Season
« on: July 17, 2024, 06:40:16 PM »
Iím not going to lie. With all these new varieties, you sort of lose track that some of the older mangoís still taste great. This past weekend, I stopped at one of the old Merritt Island mango growers. They only had a few varieties left but one was a Springfels. It had a little fiber but nothing that distracted from the experience. The mango was huge, probably 2.5 lbs and had a very strong orange-citrus flavor with a nice level of acidity. I only ate half that day because I wouldnít be able to eat dinner if I had the whole thing. I put the rest in the frig and had it the next day.

Springfels is the parent of Pineapple Pleasure, said to be an 'Improved Springfels'

Definitely one of the more popular of the new ones.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Mango ID please???
« on: July 17, 2024, 05:03:01 PM »
The tree did have long leaves. The unripe mango was orange near the seed and the flesh got lighter in color toward the skin and near the skin was almost white. Sounds like you nailed it Oolie. The thing that confuses me is they taste just like an orange and super sweet. Best fruit I have ever put in my mouth.
Pettigrew is suppose to be in the coconut group, these two I would say should belong in the citrus group. Could be a seedling. Next time I am over there, I will look for a graft union on the trunk.

Commonly referred to as the 'Gary' Flavor, it originally comes from Pettigrew. The flavor is like an orange creamsicle/ 50-50 bar type flavor.

It's a nice mellow citrus flavor that is well represented in descendants like O2/Peach Cobbler.
The Coconut flavor of Pettigrew/descendants is only for fruit that make it to riper stages without breakdown, so the tree requires more Ca/ earlier fruit picking for the fruit to get there without off flavors/ jelly seed. If you search these boards Pettigrew has a following for the ON years.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Mango ID please???
« on: July 17, 2024, 01:19:24 AM »
Pettigrew only has darker flesh in the center/overly ripe, usually it's a whiter flesh.

Maybe its related.

On another note, I've suspected that Pettigrew is poly for a few years, but noone has found evidence to back it up.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Mango ID please???
« on: July 16, 2024, 07:53:13 PM »
Looks remarkably similar to Pettigrew.

Citrus General Discussion / Re: Is this greening, or something else?
« on: July 15, 2024, 12:59:04 AM »
Asymmetrical mottling of the leaves is less likely cholorosis and more likely Greening, especially given the planting location. If citrus is grown uncovered in FL it's an inevitability.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Please help with Mango ID...
« on: July 15, 2024, 12:55:45 AM »
Of all the store bought mangoes, Kent still impresses the most. The most recent ones have been creamy and had great peachy flavor and acid balance.

MBBS is unavoidable with Kent in FL, but you could graft some Carla on there.

Citrus General Discussion / Re: Is this greening, or something else?
« on: July 13, 2024, 02:49:35 AM »
There's evidence of greening as well.
Now's the time to replant with non-citrus.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Please help with Mango ID...
« on: July 13, 2024, 12:40:28 AM »
Looks like Kent. Flat topped, good color, good tree form, fruit is mid-late season, fruit has mbbs.


Normally I'd agree but Jeff had a 37 Brix Mango in Florida, I think that's an accomplishment anywhere, let alone hot and humid southeeast.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Help identifying this mango
« on: June 25, 2024, 06:44:40 PM »
Do you get a lot of splitters?

Sounds like Alampur Baneshan.

Is it a prostrate grower, or does it have long, thin leaves?

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: everyones top five mangos
« on: June 25, 2024, 03:39:26 AM »
It's usually whichever fruit is a nubbin.

Those are always the best.

You would need to know more about the specific pollinator, it would matter.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Mango Fertilizer sans Nitrogen
« on: June 19, 2024, 03:25:17 PM »
You'll want to go easy on the phosphorous.

For mangoes the macronutrients will be Ca and K.

For a good ratio, wood ash is excellent.

Being a wet-weather state, you get plenty of acid from the rain to neutralize the pH from the ash.

Micros may need to be added, but that can be addressed on an individual basis, your soil may have adequate micros and it would just be a pH balancing act.

I retain wood ash from winter wood burning and add sulfur in dry climes and apply direct in wet.

I would enjoy your thoughts on Guava mango.  Got to try a perfectly ripened Guava mango this year for the first time.  I did not expect it to taste like an Indian mango, but thatís exactly what it was.  Fiber free, sweet with low acid and that Indian funk. Poly seed. Not sure how it got the name Guava as I didnít detect any flavor resemblance to a guava fruit.  A really good mango but not world class in my book, with acknowledgement that flavor preferences are subjective.

It's good, the Guava flavor isn't always the most pronounced. Gotta try it at multiple stages of ripeness. In its prime there's a mouthfeel that is special and a subtle geranium aroma.

If the taproot hits the bottom of the pot and starts branching, the top usually follows.

Usually the taproot circles and you get long spindly growth.

Excellent pruning/training on that LZ

I see at least one failed graft, looks like two.

The crotch angles on the "v" trees is too narrow, less than 60 degrees, when the trees are larger they will split there. Better to lose the extra growth now when damage will be small. For each of those, pick a winner and remove the other side, then plant so the winner faces mostly up. Since they are in-ground already, you can put a stake in on the side you cut away and bend the tree and secure it to the stake until the tree starts growing in the right direction.

You can graft low and it's not much of an issue, but I usually head back trees pretty hard when grafting. On trees the size of yours, you might as well head back the top a bit and graft higher, and let the scar lower down get "healed over".

If you want to gamble on seedling genetics, crush some freshly flushed leaves and smell the sap.
That will give you a general idea of how the fruit will taste. If you don't like it, just graft to something you want. I know if I found sap smelling like Alphose I would let it try to fruit, but taste is subjective, I know others who would graft it right away if it had that smell.

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Also, Pina colada is not the most ideal choice due to low vigor, but if your rootstock is exceptionally vigorous and the PC is grafted in a prominent spot on the tree, it may do well, but expect droopy, difficult to manage growth from low vigor varieties.

Most varieties will put out multiple blooms in SoCal which gives multiple crops, but not all varieties are vigorous enough, and many have unique flavors.

A trick that may work is grafting with immature scions, where you use a poly variety to produce a scion you then graft onto a mature tree (the same thing that they do in Florida, but for the opposite result). I've had mixed results, sometimes I get a year of vegetal flushes, and other-times flowering is triggered.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Need help with mango grafting
« on: June 11, 2024, 06:45:56 PM »
I usually remove a bunch of growth when I graft, it triggers a harder flush.

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