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Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Re: Looking for large coffee and pomegranate tree
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You can graft poms on to crepe myrtle if you find no options in upstate.
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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: “Spice” flavor in Indian variety mangoes?
« on: May 14, 2025, 04:06:28 PM »
It's fit for the grocery store.
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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Limiting May Beetle Damage
« on: May 14, 2025, 02:04:02 PM »
I could see it being effective to an extent, the main issues being that frequent rains will remove the foliar spray into the soil (no necessarily a negative), and that by the time you have the mature "final form" beetle munching on your foliage it's already mobile and close to reproduction. It's when larvae and eggs are immobile that they are most susceptible.
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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Limiting May Beetle Damage
« on: May 14, 2025, 05:03:20 AM »
If you want to get a head start on next years' beetle infestation, apply some worm castings to the areas you know they are mating.
After they lay the eggs underground the eggs are susceptible to the chitinase enzyme in worm castings, which can disable the eggs and larvae.
After they lay the eggs underground the eggs are susceptible to the chitinase enzyme in worm castings, which can disable the eggs and larvae.
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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: “Spice” flavor in Indian variety mangoes?
« on: May 13, 2025, 04:31:02 AM »
"Spice" is a filler for "strong to the point of resinous" flavors.
I don't think english has better aroma descriptors for this category of flavors. They're almost unique to mango though I thought gin berries reminded me of the same Kesar flavor.
They are worth seeking out if the importer gets the ripeness correct, if not, they're pretty expensive for underripe fruit, but nowhere near as poor a value as an "egg of the sun" Irwin.
There are other mango aromas which when intensified or present in the absence of the anticipated sweetness or sourness will also be described as funky/medicinal/vegetal.
It's worth sampling the newer types of mangoes that were selected for flavor alone, but I think the indian ones definitely have a strong appeal due to the range of flavors.
Also the "guava" mango may have more than spice character, a perfectly ripe one has a unique mouth sensation different, though in the same realm as sanshool.
I don't think english has better aroma descriptors for this category of flavors. They're almost unique to mango though I thought gin berries reminded me of the same Kesar flavor.
They are worth seeking out if the importer gets the ripeness correct, if not, they're pretty expensive for underripe fruit, but nowhere near as poor a value as an "egg of the sun" Irwin.
There are other mango aromas which when intensified or present in the absence of the anticipated sweetness or sourness will also be described as funky/medicinal/vegetal.
It's worth sampling the newer types of mangoes that were selected for flavor alone, but I think the indian ones definitely have a strong appeal due to the range of flavors.
Also the "guava" mango may have more than spice character, a perfectly ripe one has a unique mouth sensation different, though in the same realm as sanshool.
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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: What’s the best annona? And in the annona family
« on: May 11, 2025, 11:40:32 AM »
My experience is limited to several dozen types of cherimoya and atemoya under a variety of circumstances, some prepared soursop products, and synthetic and natural flavorings used to simulate them.
Pierce is the best, it has the best soursop flavor with a very smooth texture.
There are many cherimoya with different as well as appealing flavors and textures, but for me it's Pierce.
Pierce is the best, it has the best soursop flavor with a very smooth texture.
There are many cherimoya with different as well as appealing flavors and textures, but for me it's Pierce.
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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Mango Rootstock Selection
« on: March 11, 2025, 09:44:22 PM »Keep in mind also, even with polyembryonic seeds, you'll never get something exacrly identical to the mother plant, but they will generally be close enough ~70%Never say never, in this specific case you may get an identical tree, but not always.
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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: What Mangoes Should I Grow?
« on: March 11, 2025, 09:43:08 PM »
Due to strong bias in Aus against resin flavors in mango, I would rule out the CAC because it has a Haden-like aftertaste.
For Australians, the only newer mango with exclusively Parsnip taste (available from the posted links) is the Sweet Tart, which also happens to be poly.
I would try to get my hands on these poly varieties:
K3, P-22.
For mono varieties:
ZINC, and Venus.
That said the newer citrus ones can have great flavors without resin.
The ones to find that are intensely citrus and poly are LZ, Peach Cobbler, OS, PPK.
OS is intense sweet Orange, LZ is super intense non-specific citrus, PPK a slightly milder LZ, and OS somewhere between PPK and PC.
All good with slightly different season with a little overlap. The parsnip flavored ones are mostly strongly vigorous trees, and the citrus flavored ones vary a little tending towards the vigorous side.
I like Maha for a refined and balanced mango, but it shouldn't be eaten in the same sitting as the flavor bomb types.
If you favor resinous mangoes and you're not growing for the general Aussie audience, the world opens up to many different fruit, but you should try before committing.
For Australians, the only newer mango with exclusively Parsnip taste (available from the posted links) is the Sweet Tart, which also happens to be poly.
I would try to get my hands on these poly varieties:
K3, P-22.
For mono varieties:
ZINC, and Venus.
That said the newer citrus ones can have great flavors without resin.
The ones to find that are intensely citrus and poly are LZ, Peach Cobbler, OS, PPK.
OS is intense sweet Orange, LZ is super intense non-specific citrus, PPK a slightly milder LZ, and OS somewhere between PPK and PC.
All good with slightly different season with a little overlap. The parsnip flavored ones are mostly strongly vigorous trees, and the citrus flavored ones vary a little tending towards the vigorous side.
I like Maha for a refined and balanced mango, but it shouldn't be eaten in the same sitting as the flavor bomb types.
If you favor resinous mangoes and you're not growing for the general Aussie audience, the world opens up to many different fruit, but you should try before committing.
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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Mango Rootstock Selection
« on: March 11, 2025, 09:19:59 PM »
Different trees have different florigenic hormone production, and different vigor.
So you will want to select rootstock based on your region, whether you want less vigorous trees with greater flowering potential (Florida), or more vigorous trees with lower flowering potential (SoCal).
Where you are, you may want something with both high vigor and flowering potential. This has been studied, and different cultivars behave differently. With mono seeds, you don't necessarily know what may emerge, and certainly odds are much higher with poly seed to get something similar to the parent.
So you will want to select rootstock based on your region, whether you want less vigorous trees with greater flowering potential (Florida), or more vigorous trees with lower flowering potential (SoCal).
Where you are, you may want something with both high vigor and flowering potential. This has been studied, and different cultivars behave differently. With mono seeds, you don't necessarily know what may emerge, and certainly odds are much higher with poly seed to get something similar to the parent.
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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: La Habra Atemoyas
« on: February 20, 2025, 05:34:22 PM »
LH Late is definitely not Pinksblush.
It's smooth skinned, and mostly yellow on the outside, self-fruitful and bears late in the inland valleys.
It's very close on the inside to Leo#3, maybe slightly stronger aroma and acidity. Definitely one of my favorites.
Based on Aussie descriptions it's closer to "Late Gold" another "custard apple" available from Daley's.
It's smooth skinned, and mostly yellow on the outside, self-fruitful and bears late in the inland valleys.
It's very close on the inside to Leo#3, maybe slightly stronger aroma and acidity. Definitely one of my favorites.
Based on Aussie descriptions it's closer to "Late Gold" another "custard apple" available from Daley's.
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Citrus General Discussion / Re: The Quest to Reacquaint Japan With Its Forgotten Native Citrus
« on: February 14, 2025, 02:17:26 AM »
Reads as Hassaku, but this is what I found on Wikipedia.
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Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Re: WTB Mango Seed
« on: January 07, 2025, 02:29:42 PM »
The list has grown to include P22, which I suspect will grow in popularity the next few years.
Now the list is:
The current list looks like this:
Mesk
USDA Taymour
Giselle
Creme Brulee
E4
M4
P22
Now the list is:
The current list looks like this:
Mesk
USDA Taymour
Giselle
Creme Brulee
E4
M4
P22
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Citrus General Discussion / Re: source for DaisySL?
« on: January 01, 2025, 01:08:08 AM »
I've since tasted the Daisy SL. I wouldn't prefer it to the LeexNova. But I will keep trying them.
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Citrus General Discussion / Re: Satsuma Tree - SoCal fruits
« on: January 01, 2025, 01:05:38 AM »
I have other citrus trees that will hold fruit until the next crop is ripe, but they are almost always a dry husk of their former glory by that point. Valencias are the exception.
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Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Re: Need Pine bark Fines - anywhere in SoCal
« on: January 01, 2025, 12:56:45 AM »
Doug fir fines are a superior pine fine for making potting soil, they last for quite a while.
I had a landscaper show up and dump a whole load of pine fines, and he wanted to dump more though I didn't have any more space. It worked well for my SIP mix (75%), but I would have preferred a coarser bark for anything that gets water from the top. They break down too fast otherwise.
Why not try it so see if it gives the same effect as pine fines, it's similar enough, just coarser. The stone that the builder refused.
I had a landscaper show up and dump a whole load of pine fines, and he wanted to dump more though I didn't have any more space. It worked well for my SIP mix (75%), but I would have preferred a coarser bark for anything that gets water from the top. They break down too fast otherwise.
Why not try it so see if it gives the same effect as pine fines, it's similar enough, just coarser. The stone that the builder refused.
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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: P-22 mango Growth habit and production.
« on: January 01, 2025, 12:46:55 AM »
Excellent news for Californians.
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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Best Persimmon Varieties for Mobile, AL Zone 9A?
« on: January 01, 2025, 12:41:31 AM »
Most of mobile will have white sapote freezing to the ground every year, there are microclimates however that will allow it. Look for areas with mandarins growing, that should give you an idea if it's safe or not since they have similar sensitivities to WS.
That said any japanese persimmon will do well there, for non-astringent varieties I strongly prefer pollination variant types that turn brown when pollinated like chocolate and tsurunoko.
That said only the pollinated ones will be non-astringent, but most will be pollinated.
That said any japanese persimmon will do well there, for non-astringent varieties I strongly prefer pollination variant types that turn brown when pollinated like chocolate and tsurunoko.
That said only the pollinated ones will be non-astringent, but most will be pollinated.
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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Potassium sulfate & Calcium sulfate ratio for Mango?
« on: December 07, 2024, 12:01:47 AM »
IIRC it's 20:1 for mango, Ca:K
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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Mango Flush Leaf Curl?
« on: September 26, 2024, 07:39:17 PM »
Looks like fertilizer burn.
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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Your opinion please - is it worth my time and effort to plant macadamias?
« on: September 26, 2024, 07:38:34 PM »
The slope should be excellent, they seem not to mind the heavy soil as long as there is no standing water.
They do get huge on their own and produce excellent nuts, but their main limiting factors are Rodent predation and excess nutrient load on the soil.
If you plant away from power lines and fences, and put an apron on the tree you can stop the rodents from eating the nuts in the canopy, and if you plant in the most nutrient deprived portion of the area you can potentially avoid the second issue.
There are types with wavy, spiky leaves and ones with smooth bordered leaves (often referred to as 'Hawaiian types')
They do get huge on their own and produce excellent nuts, but their main limiting factors are Rodent predation and excess nutrient load on the soil.
If you plant away from power lines and fences, and put an apron on the tree you can stop the rodents from eating the nuts in the canopy, and if you plant in the most nutrient deprived portion of the area you can potentially avoid the second issue.
There are types with wavy, spiky leaves and ones with smooth bordered leaves (often referred to as 'Hawaiian types')
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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Which atemoya is this
« on: September 26, 2024, 07:32:33 PM »
Looks similar to a Leo #3 which is an AP seedling.
Leo #3 is a late fruiter, usually in a couple months from now in SoCal.
It has a firm, segmented flesh with a typical Sugarapple aroma and a high acidity (for an atemoya).
The seediness varies, but I think Leo#3 has a good return on flesh to seed ratio given the excellent texture (like a firm jak).
Leo #3 is a late fruiter, usually in a couple months from now in SoCal.
It has a firm, segmented flesh with a typical Sugarapple aroma and a high acidity (for an atemoya).
The seediness varies, but I think Leo#3 has a good return on flesh to seed ratio given the excellent texture (like a firm jak).
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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Overloaded White Sapote tree
« on: September 26, 2024, 07:29:04 PM »
I don't know if there is such a thing as an overloaded white sapote tree.
They seem to not understand the meaning of such logic.
They seem to not understand the meaning of such logic.
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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: What are some fruits with extremely unique flavors?
« on: September 19, 2024, 11:10:16 PM »
Flavor being aroma, you should explore the variety of mangoes, there's a huge range of turpene possibilities.
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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Suggest 2 More Mango Varieties For Me To Plant
« on: September 03, 2024, 12:21:53 PM »You probably haven't had a choice ST yet. It took me a few tries.
I am completely willing to sample more before making a decision
Another option that caught my attention is Imam Pasand or Alampur Baneshan because of the flavor profile. It sounds similar in taste to Ice Cream, but with possibly better production and disease resistance? From my reading opinions seem split on the flavor. Another one I need to taste!
Interesting choice of words.
The variety that we have here fulfilling the role for both is a splitter, so you may be better off planting White Pirie.
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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Chilean Cherimoya ID
« on: September 01, 2024, 07:22:53 PM »
It's a Cherimoya, not the Concha Lisa however.
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